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There seems to be plenty of variations and inconsistencies of the points system from each League. Dont mind the concept of the system but will it work with differences from league to league? Very curious to know what each league use.

SGL (6 teams) simply reverses the ladder order the year after- premier 10 points, 2nd place 11 points, etc thru to last 15 points. 3 points for all new players regardless of residency.

I think NAFA are 15 points for all teams but zero if they live in the towns.

What are the other leagues policies?

Some discussion here from a couple of years ago:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25101

GSFL is currently:

Each Club will be allocated points annually based on the Premiership Table in the preceding year as follows:-

The Top Three Teams will be allocated a total of 11 points.
The Middle Four Teams will be allocated a total of 13 points.
The Bottom Three Teams will be allocated a total of 15 points.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page ... sID=163944

Gsfl is actually changing next to model similar to blg league where your points are based on average wins over 3 seasons

Heard that the points system will be modified for 2013. Anyone throw some light on this?

Sky Pilot wrote:Heard that the points system will be modified for 2013. Anyone throw some light on this?

Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
If players moving to Adelaide from country are now going to be zero then A1 clubs would be again advantaged and near country leagues would again be the loser.

UNCLE SAM wrote:

Sky Pilot wrote:Heard that the points system will be modified for 2013. Anyone throw some light on this?

Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
If players moving to Adelaide from country are now going to be zero then A1 clubs would be again advantaged and near country leagues would again be the loser.

Well at least two leagues in the Central Zone are rumoured to be considering dumping the points system. I think this would trigger a mutiny if they have the balls to stand up to the CFB

Sky Pilot wrote:

UNCLE SAM wrote:

Sky Pilot wrote:Heard that the points system will be modified for 2013. Anyone throw some light on this?

Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
If players moving to Adelaide from country are now going to be zero then A1 clubs would be again advantaged and near country leagues would again be the loser.

Well at least two leagues in the Central Zone are rumoured to be considering dumping the points system. I think this would trigger a mutiny if they have the balls to stand up to the CFB

Won't happen 'cause they ain't got the balls to take them on! All P*ss & Wind like every other season

UNCLE SAM wrote:

Sky Pilot wrote:Heard that the points system will be modified for 2013. Anyone throw some light on this?

Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
If players moving to Adelaide from country are now going to be zero then A1 clubs would be again advantaged and near country leagues would again be the loser.

Near country leagues have been raping the Amateurs for years and it's getting worse. Far more players heading out of the city than in. City clubs can't compete with the money being thrown at second rate players from country clubs.

What's wrong with a cashed up country footy club paying big bucks to Ammos star players - Henley Sharks Jason Turner, Noarlunga Shoes Chris Minns as examples? If these clubs fund raise and manage their finances successfully why can't they buy players from the 'burbs for a serious quid?

Was responding to uncle Sam having a sook about country teams being worse off. It is a constant struggle trying to keep players put in the city with cashed up clubs throwing money at them.

Also city clubs turn over players more often and need more points so they can stay consistent.

UNCLE SAM wrote:Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
If players moving to Adelaide from country are now going to be zero then A1 clubs would be again advantaged and near country leagues would again be the loser.

I wasn't going to comment but Shrekky is right.

The APPS system allows 15 points per A Grade team so A1 (sic) clubs still get 15 points because we have a promotion/relegation system to even things up. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
There is a proposal for people who are legitimately transferred through work or school to apply for a zero rating. But, that also could mean a teacher going from Victor Harbour to Ceduna, Port Lincoln to Mypolonga or vice versa. With the proper safeguards in place, it is a fair and equitable proposition. Put the nastiest people on the committee to make it even harder to achieve.

As for near country leagues again being the loser PFFT!!!

Jimmy_041 wrote:

UNCLE SAM wrote:Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
The APPS system allows 15 points per A Grade team so A1 (sic) clubs still get 15 points because we have a promotion/relegation system to even things up. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
There is a proposal for people who are legitimately transferred through work or school to apply for a zero rating. But, that also could mean a teacher going from Victor Harbour to Ceduna, Port Lincoln to Mypolonga or vice versa. With the proper safeguards in place, it is a fair and equitable proposition. Put the nastiest people on the committee to make it even harder to achieve.

As for near country leagues again being the loser PFFT!!!

As usual you city people miss the point of the APPS and that is it is supposed to be a player equalisation system.
That means to me the top clubs get less than the bottom to make it a more even and fairer comp and makes you develope your juniors and be very selective in recruiting good people as well as good players so they stay at the club and gradually move from 3 points to zero.
The issue of the College clubs in SAAFL getting more points than other sand the 2 clubs coming up due to promotion relegations is a no brainer and they should all be on 15 points but for Gaza,Henley,Brodview etc to be on 15 points is bloody ridiculos and blantant disregard to the APPS.
Then you want to make any players moving from country into Adelaide to be zero points why not just give you all 30 popints and total stuff up the APPS altogether.
SAAFL players lost to country is balanced by the number of country footballers coming into Adelaide.Check Sportingpulse and see that the clearance in and clearance out for most country leagues shows this balance but you SAAFL people still want to squeal.
Now you also want to stuff up the junior comps in metro area.
Me thinks someone is wanting to start up his empire building and take over the CFB

UNCLE SAM wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

UNCLE SAM wrote:Points system needs no modification.
As usual SAAFL trying to run the blobby CFB and push through rules changes.
How can all A1 clubs still get 15 points it makes a mockery of the system.
Have heard country clubs are up in arms over the proposed changes and some leagues threating to pull out of CFB as they are letting SAAFL rule the rost.
The APPS system allows 15 points per A Grade team so A1 (sic) clubs still get 15 points because we have a promotion/relegation system to even things up. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
There is a proposal for people who are legitimately transferred through work or school to apply for a zero rating. But, that also could mean a teacher going from Victor Harbour to Ceduna, Port Lincoln to Mypolonga or vice versa. With the proper safeguards in place, it is a fair and equitable proposition. Put the nastiest people on the committee to make it even harder to achieve.

As for near country leagues again being the loser PFFT!!!

As usual you city people miss the point of the APPS and that is it is supposed to be a player equalisation system.
That means to me the top clubs get less than the bottom to make it a more even and fairer comp and makes you develope your juniors and be very selective in recruiting good people as well as good players so they stay at the club and gradually move from 3 points to zero.
The issue of the College clubs in SAAFL getting more points than other sand the 2 clubs coming up due to promotion relegations is a no brainer and they should all be on 15 points but for Gaza,Henley,Brodview etc to be on 15 points is bloody ridiculos and blantant disregard to the APPS.
Then you want to make any players moving from country into Adelaide to be zero points why not just give you all 30 popints and total stuff up the APPS altogether.
SAAFL players lost to country is balanced by the number of country footballers coming into Adelaide.Check Sportingpulse and see that the clearance in and clearance out for most country leagues shows this balance but you SAAFL people still want to squeal.
Now you also want to stuff up the junior comps in metro area.
Me thinks someone is wanting to start up his empire building and take over the CFB

I think you miss the reason for the APPS. Player equalisation scheme? WTF does that mean? If you mean a team equalisation like, say, the BLG and GSFL do, then they choose to do that. It's not part of the CFL rules, and we dont need to do it because we have promotion / relegation system.
Oh, and college, promoted and relegated sides, and even fully amateur clubs, all get the same no of points as everyone else here -15 points, so I'm not sure what you mean, or are actually saying there.

[quote][/quote]Isnt the solution obvious, get rid of the points , without getting bogged down with technical stats , in the ninetys and early into the 2000 wins were shared around , Tailem were unbeatable at 1stage in that erea , so were Jervois and ramblers and imps were always around the mark. Meningie also had brief recruiting spree and were very good for a period of time and Mannum also had their time in the sun. Get rid of the points in this league as it only really helps those with large quality numbers , at this rate clubs will be broke just trying to be competetive. The absolute worse thing is that it is making very average players worth $500 a game. Individuals are making a lot of money while the clubs are struggling. We have a new police officer move into murray bridge and wants to play for imps he came from port Augusta and played A grade footy he cant play because we dont have the points to fit him in and he doesnt want to play for Ramblers so what does he do ?? the whole points system as approved will kill this competition.

Do you even paragraph?

used to be wrote:

Isnt the solution obvious, get rid of the points , without getting bogged down with technical stats , in the ninetys and early into the 2000 wins were shared around , Tailem were unbeatable at 1stage in that erea , so were Jervois and ramblers and imps were always around the mark. Meningie also had brief recruiting spree and were very good for a period of time and Mannum also had their time in the sun. Get rid of the points in this league as it only really helps those with large quality numbers , at this rate clubs will be broke just trying to be competetive. The absolute worse thing is that it is making very average players worth $500 a game. Individuals are making a lot of money while the clubs are struggling. We have a new police officer move into murray bridge and wants to play for imps he came from port Augusta and played A grade footy he cant play because we dont have the points to fit him in and he doesnt want to play for Ramblers so what does he do ?? the whole points system as approved will kill this competition.

It has good and bad points like all systems. All of what you have said is true. Also look at say a mid 30 year old. They shouldnt be worth 3 points at a new club. Same deal if he moves and wants to play locally. Why would any club want to waste 3 points on an aging player when they could get a 25 year old who may stick around.
Then look in the BL&G Tanunda get 3 points only. Yes they have won 4 of the past 5 GFs but they can only get 1 new player every 3 years or play juniors. They hope like hell they get players returning. Will last a while then cripple a club.

Kart Horse wrote:

used to be wrote:

Isnt the solution obvious, get rid of the points , without getting bogged down with technical stats , in the ninetys and early into the 2000 wins were shared around , Tailem were unbeatable at 1stage in that erea , so were Jervois and ramblers and imps were always around the mark. Meningie also had brief recruiting spree and were very good for a period of time and Mannum also had their time in the sun. Get rid of the points in this league as it only really helps those with large quality numbers , at this rate clubs will be broke just trying to be competetive. The absolute worse thing is that it is making very average players worth $500 a game. Individuals are making a lot of money while the clubs are struggling. We have a new police officer move into murray bridge and wants to play for imps he came from port Augusta and played A grade footy he cant play because we dont have the points to fit him in and he doesnt want to play for Ramblers so what does he do ?? the whole points system as approved will kill this competition.

It has good and bad points like all systems. All of what you have said is true. Also look at say a mid 30 year old. They shouldnt be worth 3 points at a new club. Same deal if he moves and wants to play locally. Why would any club want to waste 3 points on an aging player when they could get a 25 year old who may stick around.
Then look in the BL&G Tanunda get 3 points only. Yes they have won 4 of the past 5 GFs but they can only get 1 new player every 3 years or play juniors. They hope like hell they get players returning. Will last a while then cripple a club.

average players are only worth $500 if Clubs offer it to them

Executive Member wrote:

Kart Horse wrote:

used to be wrote:

Isnt the solution obvious, get rid of the points , without getting bogged down with technical stats , in the ninetys and early into the 2000 wins were shared around , Tailem were unbeatable at 1stage in that erea , so were Jervois and ramblers and imps were always around the mark. Meningie also had brief recruiting spree and were very good for a period of time and Mannum also had their time in the sun. Get rid of the points in this league as it only really helps those with large quality numbers , at this rate clubs will be broke just trying to be competetive. The absolute worse thing is that it is making very average players worth $500 a game. Individuals are making a lot of money while the clubs are struggling. We have a new police officer move into murray bridge and wants to play for imps he came from port Augusta and played A grade footy he cant play because we dont have the points to fit him in and he doesnt want to play for Ramblers so what does he do ?? the whole points system as approved will kill this competition.

It has good and bad points like all systems. All of what you have said is true. Also look at say a mid 30 year old. They shouldnt be worth 3 points at a new club. Same deal if he moves and wants to play locally. Why would any club want to waste 3 points on an aging player when they could get a 25 year old who may stick around.
Then look in the BL&G Tanunda get 3 points only. Yes they have won 4 of the past 5 GFs but they can only get 1 new player every 3 years or play juniors. They hope like hell they get players returning. Will last a while then cripple a club.

average players are only worth $500 if Clubs offer it to them

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!! Even below average are sometimes offered stupid amounts, that's the footy-go-round!

My view is that the system does not promote participation. The system places restrictions on individuals who for whatever reason want to change clubs. How many players are being lost to the game and clubs by not allowing the individual the choice of where he can play. I have seen some above average players walk away from the game due to their personal choice being taken away from them. Most above average players would chose not to play if they were forced to play in a clubs reserves if they know they are better than that. We also end up seeing below average players playing league footy in their place when they are not up to it.

For the players who play for money, some of them use their abilities to supplement their income and in some instance it is their income, for most of the year. If playing for money is your job the player should have the right to pick which job/club he wishes to play for. If i had the choice of playing for a club offering $500 a game or be forced to play for a club that can fit me in with their points for $50 because that's what they can afford, I know what i would do. Its all about the players right to play for whom he chooses. No rule should restrict this.

PENALIZE THE CLUBS NOT THE PLAYERS