HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Amateur Footy]

From an independent view, I would have done the same as Blackwood by requesting a player count. I can't believe a side would ask to bring a player back on, let alone an umpire agreeing to it. I'd have also thought that question should have been posed to the timekeepers as they are the ones who allow players back on.

You would think all clubs receive HFL rules each season, but they don't seem to make it out to the playing groups.

[tedbullpit]

I read a couple of interesting articles in the courier this morning in relation to the future of the competition. The current HFL president was talking about the possibility in the near future of 3 divisions consisting of 7 sides with a promotion/relegation system with Div 1 consisting of Mt.Lofty, Blackwood, Hahndorf, Uraidla, Ironbank, Onka's & Mt.Barker.

There was also talk about a team out of Littlehampton which would be based at Cornerstone College.

Although these were only ideas that the president put forward what are people's thoughts? Personally I dont like the idea of a 7 team competition. I would prefer to see a 10 team competition with 18 rounds as per the current model. I think that sides like Kangarilla, Torrens Valley & Kersbrook (despite problems with their juniors or lack of them) could easily step up into division 1 and well and truly challenge the 7 sides mentioned above which would make for a very interesting competition.

[GetTheSherrin]

ted, some interesting stuff there. i agree that a 7 team comp would be no good, but think it was much better set up when we had 9 teams and had byes. think this would also solve the dwindling no.s going to association training..

not too sure how long a littlehampton team would survive but wait and see i guess... but the thought of playing at cornerstones oval is a good one, that surface is amazing!! if littlehampton dont come in maybe barker could make a deal with the school to play there.

[B075]

Demon, Mt Lofty playing an extra player on the field is hardly in the spirit of the game. I find it very difficult to beleive that Blackwood were the only ones that knew the rule. Thge basis for your argument is shaky at best.

Forgot that this incident involved Blackwood and look at it objectively.

[Redfern07]

You would think all clubs receive HFL rules each season, but they don't seem to make it out to the playing groups.

Isn't there a HFL Handbook that goes out each year to clubs? Does that contain rules and regulations on Yellow/Red Cards?

Also red/yellow cards have been in for nearly a decade now, and it has always been 10 minutes in B Grade in that time. I would be surprised that at least one team official would not know that.
An why would Mount Lofty asked the umpire if he can come back on? I doubt the umpire would be keeping time? That's one reason there are time keepers.

[The Panther]

Apparently the real problem was that the runner was not from Lofty but Blackwood and the player that went back on was actually a Blackwood player who had snuck into Lofty's change rooms and grabbed Lofty gear. It was a big conspiracy to slow the game down and ice the clock.

[the wonder elephant]

sounds to me a few people are playing dumb to try and get the points at blackwood on sat night surley maddo has been coaching /playing long enough to know that the time keepers are the one that u go to to find out when a player can come back on on the goal umpiring issues this happens week in week out ..at ironbank we get a weekley giggle when ever ajax splits the line then calls the ball a poster as i sails well clear of the post maybe there needs to be a panel of goal umpires then they get games at the call of the umpires coach therefore being netural just a thought but this will never happen unless u get the same umpires doing all 4 games each week

[devilsadvocate]

on the goal umpiring issues this happens week in week out ..at ironbank we get a weekley giggle when ever ajax splits the line then calls the ball a poster as i sails well clear of the post

He's been doing it for years.

[the wonder elephant]

on the goal umpiring issues this happens week in week out ..at ironbank we get a weekley giggle when ever ajax splits the line then calls the ball a poster as i sails well clear of the post

He's been doing it for years.

ha ha he certainly has latest one on sat vs mt ronnie called a point to a ball that was easily oof but one thing is he is never bias to us goes both ways

[devilsadvocate]

on the goal umpiring issues this happens week in week out ..at ironbank we get a weekley giggle when ever ajax splits the line then calls the ball a poster as i sails well clear of the post

He's been doing it for years.

ha ha he certainly has latest one on sat vs mt ronnie called a point to a ball that was easily oof but one thing is he is never bias to us goes both ways

Yeah, can't criticise him for bias, I think the only criticism needs to be directed at his spectacle provider. Maybe ajax uses the same guy Blackwoods goal umpire does!!!

Does he still umpire cricket?

[the wonder elephant]

on the goal umpiring issues this happens week in week out ..at ironbank we get a weekley giggle when ever ajax splits the line then calls the ball a poster as i sails well clear of the post

He's been doing it for years.

ha ha he certainly has latest one on sat vs mt ronnie called a point to a ball that was easily oof but one thing is he is never bias to us goes both ways

Yeah, can't criticise him for bias, I think the only criticism needs to be directed at his spectacle provider. Maybe ajax uses the same guy Blackwoods goal umpire does!!!

Does he still umpire cricket?

yeah he sure does and hes still nicknamed the trigger nah in all seriousness must be said hes pretty fair in the cricket i would rather play under him than some of the others eg..goldtooth

[devilsadvocate]

Goldtooth. We could fill a thread with 500 pages talking about goldy alone.
I'm sure he means well.

[Howard]

HOWARD
Sound like some people are starting to see the light. I agree that some Country Clubs have a little trouble with Junior sides, but there's still plenty of good football to develop players. You only need to look at Narine & Meadows juniors to see that these kids don't suffer in development because of it. If anything they learn to grow in confedence from winning. Hopefully they come to an agreement soon either way and start heading in a positive direction.

Banger, the junior situation in Country div is far more a problem than you say "a little trouble with Junior sides", it's more than just the standard of the competition it's the lack of numbers on any given day, which creates havoc with the program. Clubs like Kersbrook, Gumeracha, Callington and Maccesfield all have some kind of problem (this year) relating to their junior teams. These may not be major problems but enough to be an issue.

I suspect the decision to either stay in Central or move to Country will, once again be put to the members. If Bateman and S Feijen want to go down, they need to get off their collective buns and start swaying peoples minds, don't just leave to the day of the vote and start moaning about not getting their way, get out there and start counting heads, otherwise they may well find the overall membership will vote for the status quo.

They (plus others probably) will then decide to move to Meadows (or wherever) I reckon the only winner in that scenario is Meadows (or whoever).

[The Crumber]

I read a couple of interesting articles in the courier this morning in relation to the future of the competition. The current HFL president was talking about the possibility in the near future of 3 divisions consisting of 7 sides with a promotion/relegation system with Div 1 consisting of Mt.Lofty, Blackwood, Hahndorf, Uraidla, Ironbank, Onka's & Mt.Barker.

There was also talk about a team out of Littlehampton which would be based at Cornerstone College.

Although these were only ideas that the president put forward what are people's thoughts? Personally I dont like the idea of a 7 team competition. I would prefer to see a 10 team competition with 18 rounds as per the current model. I think that sides like Kangarilla, Torrens Valley & Kersbrook (despite problems with their juniors or lack of them) could easily step up into division 1 and well and truly challenge the 7 sides mentioned above which would make for a very interesting competition.

My thoughts on this is that the idea needs proper consultation with all stake-holders, from the top Central club to the bottom Country one. The whole concept as cited in the Courier appeared to be Owen's vision alone and Owen needs to realise he is NOT the league. Every area of the interview began with "I think, I want, I have etc". Is there anyone else on the Board and if so, why does the entire HFL Engine Room let this man have so much power? A 3 Div Comp has been raised several times at Delegates' Meetings. I don't really care what the outcome is as long as proper input from all, and plenty of it, happens with everyone having equal rights to a say. At least then we would know that this is what the CLUBS really want. I think the League look like fools for allowing such egotistic publicity to prevail.

[Redfern07]

Taylor can be a little picky with his decisions but surely (by the previous remarks) people are aware of his umpiring standards and you adapt accordingly. Surely the way the rules are cmopared with a couple of years ago it's alot easier to be infront. Something we are told every week.

Taylor's umpiring performance yesterday in the Onka's v Uri game was one of the worst, most inconsistent and most bias displays of umpiring I've ever seen. He had a deadset shocker. Free kick count was 45-14 in favour of Onka's!! And his interpretation of the holding the ball rule....What interpretation? There were instances where a player was tackled in the back and was paid holding the ball and the in an identical instance he'd pay a push in the back. This is the 3rd time I've seen Taylor umpire this season and aside from Kym Graham and Neville Clarke, Taylor is the worst umpire going around. .

some things dont change Bullpit!!! Our loss your gain. Taylor was our worst ump and when news of his leaving the SFL and GSFL there was great relief. He is a control freek who beleives the game revolves around him. Also am shocked of the money's he is payed approx 18k? money not well spent. this negitive feedback is not coming from a disgrunted player but someone who knows him off and on field.

Well i see Taylor's honeymoon period is over. Up until now feedback here on his umpiring and coaching has been fairly positive, now he is branded as hopeless as the rest of them. At least he's fitted in i guess!

[the wonder elephant]

Taylor can be a little picky with his decisions but surely (by the previous remarks) people are aware of his umpiring standards and you adapt accordingly. Surely the way the rules are cmopared with a couple of years ago it's alot easier to be infront. Something we are told every week.

Taylor's umpiring performance yesterday in the Onka's v Uri game was one of the worst, most inconsistent and most bias displays of umpiring I've ever seen. He had a deadset shocker. Free kick count was 45-14 in favour of Onka's!! And his interpretation of the holding the ball rule....What interpretation? There were instances where a player was tackled in the back and was paid holding the ball and the in an identical instance he'd pay a push in the back. This is the 3rd time I've seen Taylor umpire this season and aside from Kym Graham and Neville Clarke, Taylor is the worst umpire going around. .

some things dont change Bullpit!!! Our loss your gain. Taylor was our worst ump and when news of his leaving the SFL and GSFL there was great relief. He is a control freek who beleives the game revolves around him. Also am shocked of the money's he is payed approx 18k? money not well spent. this negitive feedback is not coming from a disgrunted player but someone who knows him off and on field.

Well i see Taylor's honeymoon period is over. Up until now feedback here on his umpiring and coaching has been fairly positive, now he is branded as hopeless as the rest of them. At least he's fitted in i guess!

personally i dont see the problem there are a lot worse than mickey one only had to see the performance of butch marsden on sat in the 17s and a grade to see this . there are plenty more that are worse than taylor ..for mine the best i have seen all year has been marty clifton dosent put up with any crap and lets you know as well so u know where u stand ...just ask dogga and padroth

[shoe boy]

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Taylor's umpiring performance yesterday in the Onka's v Uri game was one of the worst, most inconsistent and most bias displays of umpiring I've ever seen. He had a deadset shocker. Free kick count was 45-14 in favour of Onka's!! And his interpretation of the holding the ball rule....What interpretation? There were instances where a player was tackled in the back and was paid holding the ball and the in an identical instance he'd pay a push in the back. This is the 3rd time I've seen Taylor umpire this season and aside from Kym Graham and Neville Clarke, Taylor is the worst umpire going around. .[/quote]
some things dont change Bullpit!!! Our loss your gain. Taylor was our worst ump and when news of his leaving the SFL and GSFL there was great relief. He is a control freek who beleives the game revolves around him. Also am shocked of the money's he is payed approx 18k? money not well spent. this negitive feedback is not coming from a disgrunted player but someone who knows him off and on field. [/quote]

Well i see Taylor's honeymoon period is over. Up until now feedback here on his umpiring and coaching has been fairly positive, now he is branded as hopeless as the rest of them. At least he's fitted in i guess![/quote]
personally i dont see the problem there are a lot worse than mickey one only had to see the performance of butch marsden on sat in the 17s and a grade to see this . there are plenty more that are worse than taylor ..for mine the best i have seen all year has been marty clifton dosent put up with any crap and lets you know as well so u know where u stand ...just ask dogga and padroth [/quote]
Good call,Clifo is a loss to our comp and a quality lad as well. Also a Shoe Boy.

[Dashin]

Come on fellas, you can't have a crack at Own for putting a suggestion out there. I quite like the idea of a 3 div comp, it would make for a much more even competition, and we'd probably gain a lot more respect from the amateur sides as the div 1 sides would be much more competitive on the whole. Having said that i reckon you'd want atleast 8 sides in the top two divisions.

As for the umpires, there's no excuse for them not knowing the rules! 50 metre penalties is something that certainly frustrates me. If it's 50, give it 50, none of this 30 metre crap. If 50 is too far change the rule but it cost Lofty the game on sat night.

Eon't worry devils supporters, what goes aroudn comes around. I can smell a fourth straight B-grade flag already!

[Dashin]

By the way...playing footy on cornerstone's oval would be somthing else! I think i'd consider a move if they started up an old collegiates team.

On second thought, i take that back.....i spent enough time in the hole that is Mt barker when i was younger.

[efc]

Dashin who cares about B grade flags really. Doesnt everyone involved at a club want to win the A grade flag so get of this super b S**t you always carry on with. You should play b grade to support your a grade. As in trying to make A grade or assisting players that are.

Its all about the A grade not the B's