HFL Division 1 (Central)

[GetTheSherrin]

cougar, if u understood what i was saying. it seems to me that what he got was a joke. he shouldve got life. but what i said was for him only to get what he did there must have been doubt about how the black eye happened.. (whether it was accidental or not). and if it was infact accidental then he doesnt deserve the yr and a half he got.. was that explained better??

[Tanka]

re: battams. that seems like a nothing verdict. surely its either a few weeks (in this case could be the end of 07) or life. whats one more yr gonna do? sounds like the board werent to convinced about what happened but still wanted to act tough on touching umps! what a crock..

A few weeks?? The HFL are struggling to attract umps as it is, and an umpire receives a black eye and you reckon the player (regardless of intent) only gets a few weeks!?!? You might say the umps are a protected species, but at the moment GTS, in the Hills, they are also an endangered one.

Battams was reported for deliberate contact on an umpire. He wasnt suspended for a period of matches he was given the rest of this year and all of next regardless of how many matches that is....work that out. Also TM admitted that because his back was turned he couldnt be sure that it was a deliberate act but thought it was...again work that out!! TV are taking it further because they believe that based on the evidence alone the outcome was a farce. I ask again do any of us honestly believe that any players in the Hills league would deliberately end their career by hitting an ump?? I dont think so

[Tanka]

Had my haircut today at Loby....... Anyone else hear that Loby and their coach have parted ways?? He will stay for the rest of the year but will not honour the second year of his contract next year.

[Justquietly]

Had my haircut today at Loby....... Anyone else hear that Loby and their coach have parted ways?? He will stay for the rest of the year but will not honour the second year of his contract next year.

Haircut at Lobey...I assume it was a bowl cut then?

[Cougar]

cougar, if u understood what i was saying. it seems to me that what he got was a joke. he shouldve got life. but what i said was for him only to get what he did there must have been doubt about how the black eye happened.. (whether it was accidental or not). and if it was infact accidental then he doesnt deserve the yr and a half he got.. was that explained better??

I think we agree to disagree. If it was negligent contact, I reckon he should get more than a few weeks, probably not quite the year and a bit he got, but definitely more than a few weeks. You might think that is a bit harsh, but I reckon we need to look after the umps as well as we can. Our 'B' grade have been in several close clashes this season with Club imposed umpires involved, and I personally would rather see a neutral umpire do these games. But we both agree if it was deliberate, they should throw the book at him.

Tanka you're wrong. The report was NOT for deliberate contact. Otherwise he would have got years.

[GetTheSherrin]

id be pretty pissed if i accidently ran into an ump and got a yr and a half for it.

[Cougar]

id be pretty pissed if i accidently ran into an ump and got a yr and a half for it.

Year and a bit. And you probably haven't threatened the HFL president before either. Bad records don't help!

[Tanka]

Tanka you're wrong. The report was NOT for deliberate contact. Otherwise he would have got years.[/quote]

So Cougar they gave him over a year for negligent contact is that right?? If so that is way too harsh and no wonder they are challenging it. I agree that if it was deliberate he shouldnt play the game again but if it was not...... too many. Also I think you will find that TM is sure he did it on purpose thus making it deliberate which is what was written on the charge sheet.

Also he actually never did threaten the HFL president either....

[Dr.Football]

Hmmmmm......if anyone would deliberately hit an umpire it would be Battams, fair dinkum peanut !!!

[Cougar]

Tanka you're wrong. The report was NOT for deliberate contact. Otherwise he would have got years.

So Cougar they gave him over a year for negligent contact is that right?? If so that is way too harsh and no wonder they are challenging it. I agree that if it was deliberate he shouldnt play the game again but if it was not...... too many. Also I think you will find that TM is sure he did it on purpose thus making it deliberate which is what was written on the charge sheet.

Also he actually never did threaten the HFL president either....[/quote]

You're wrong again with the charge sheet. And why did Battams miss a GF a couple of years ago??

[Amateur Footy]

Regarding a few comments about the salary cap / new points system I would say that a points system will only result in levelling the playing field. It will lower the recruiting of the top sides which will make recruiting easier for the bottom sides. It would never result in selection headaches as the points are based on your list, not who's playing each saturday. Whether or not that is a good thing is up for debate, I would think not.

I think the first step would be to abolish the salary cap, It is an absolute joke and is impossible to police. It will never be adhered to by the clubs with money, so is simply extra paper work for treasurers.

The only long term fix will be that eventually the disgrace of players being paid to play this level of football will send so many clubs broke that player payments will be fazed out and we can all enjoy real 'Amateur Footy'

[Tex]

Have any of you spoken with TM - were you at the game?? TM WAS shaken by the incident and also pretty angry. He had NO DOUBTS as to the intent, despite what he NEEDED to say at the tribunal. Neither did Levi Bailey or other Meadows people who saw it!! The only truth written on the matter is that he shouldnt play again.
In regards to the proposed points system - lets not even suggest that a salary cap could ever work. A points system manageable/'policeable' and is designed to PROMOTE junior development and local talent within a club. Remember country clubs are the nurseries for the AFL not a retirement home for them. Certainly though, a reasonable mix of talent through a competition does improve the standard and help raise the bar! Interesting to see where the posts rejecting the idea are coming from and whether said opinions would have been the same a few years back??!!?

[Justquietly]

We've been over this points system thing before.
My concern is how the points are worked out at selection night, or are the points only calculated on your TOTAL senior list at the START of the year, then you can have any total for each game?

[Justquietly]

Re-read AF's post, got it.
I think it's unnecessary, footy normally works in cycles. Each team has their time in the sun. Was there talk of this when Hahndorf, Lobey, Mt Barker were dominating?

[Rapper]

The points system wont fix the problems because the stronger clubs like Lofty, Uraidla and Onkas have maintained the same playing group for over three years which lowers their points as per the new system.

Lofty for example had 14 locals play in the 2006 Grand Final which would not take points off the tally.

[Tanka]

With the points system if it were to be brought in next year, what points would players like Flo, Ebel, Mcleans etc and also Monty and Hunsie be given. Would they be classed as a local to their current clubs or would they be given retrospective points as they only started at their current club this year??

[LuvsFooty]

the points system at face value looks like a great idea. It may take it a few years to level out the playing field but down the track it should work. It takes money out of the equation. Good clubs with good administration will benefit via 'smart' recruiting not just bringing out the cheque book.

[Chook]

SANFL players get 4 points, but get subtracted for each year of service, hende floreani would be 3 points ebel would be 1 or 2 points, cos he has played 2-3 seasons at Uri's.

The point system is not very fair. What if someone from a bottom side in the SANFl jags a game or 2, then doesn't play again. It happens all the time! The you have a gun like Scott Sutherland who has played a bucket load of games. They both get the same points!

Agree with most of the posters on here that the point system is not going to help hills football. Who knows what will, as I am sure it would have been put into place by now.

There will always be the rich and the poor clubs. It is a fact of country football.

Maybe the forum should put some ideas forward to how we can even the competition up a bit??

Maybe the bottom sides shouls start buying lottery tickets

[Chook]

Luvs Footy, it is a good idea in the long run, but it hurts the lower clubs. Uri's, lofty and Onkas have good recruits who would have been worth heaps of points 2-3 years ago, and hence not aloud to bring in so many players under the new points system. But now as they have played a few years up in the hills, they benefit, wheras your loby's, birdwoods and hahndorfs cannot recruit as fierce as onkas, uris and lofty has.

It means that the three top clubs will be good for the next 3-5 years until the lower clubs recruit players who will stay for while and hence there points reduced.

[Chook]

last post before I don't look at the forum for a while again are my picks for the mail medal.

Anderson - Uri's
Smart - Onkas
Floreani - Lofty

Darkies
Baldock - Lofty
Macdonald - Barker
Ebert - Uri's
Wood - Lofty