by running defender » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:19 am
by wazzal77 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:38 am
running defender wrote:Hang on,didn't a little club called Echunga win a flag 2014
Population 1000 , how many flags have Blackwood won since joining?
When was Mt Barker's last flag?
Apart from last year when was Hahndorf's last flag?
Remember they finished bottom or near bottom in A's&B's in 2014
Uriadla have dominated the last decade and they are not a big club
by rock » Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:24 pm
by Corona Man » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:04 pm
by The Sorce » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:39 pm
rock wrote:At what cost? Look at Echunga now, Mt Lofty are still paying off their debt and Uraidla have been propped up by Parker money but their juniors have been floundering for years. The model of all three isn't sustainable for Div 1. Then add in Torrens Valley who have been elevated by the money of Hughes still without success in Div 1. The state of their juniors is terribly low. Onkas and Ironbank are doing okay just to keep their heads above water but the reality is premiership success won't be coming anytime soon. Lobethal have put up a good fight in recent years but get tested by depth and usually fail as the season goes on. So that leaves the three clubs who are flushed with numbers, sponsors and money. This situation isnt going to change for a while. Happy to be proven wrong when the end of season comes but I think it's time some of the Div 1 smaller clubs consider where they actually fit in the HFL. I think Bridgewater have found some solace and happiness in Div 2.
by Ye Olde Place Kick » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:45 pm
rock wrote:At what cost? Look at Echunga now, Mt Lofty are still paying off their debt and Uraidla have been propped up by Parker money but their juniors have been floundering for years. The model of all three isn't sustainable for Div 1. Then add in Torrens Valley who have been elevated by the money of Hughes still without success in Div 1. The state of their juniors is terribly low. Onkas and Ironbank are doing okay just to keep their heads above water but the reality is premiership success won't be coming anytime soon. Lobethal have put up a good fight in recent years but get tested by depth and usually fail as the season goes on. So that leaves the three clubs who are flushed with numbers, sponsors and money. This situation isnt going to change for a while. Happy to be proven wrong when the end of season comes but I think it's time some of the Div 1 smaller clubs consider where they actually fit in the HFL. I think Bridgewater have found some solace and happiness in Div 2.
by Peakedinhighschool » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:54 pm
rock wrote:At what cost? Look at Echunga now, Mt Lofty are still paying off their debt and Uraidla have been propped up by Parker money but their juniors have been floundering for years. The model of all three isn't sustainable for Div 1. Then add in Torrens Valley who have been elevated by the money of Hughes still without success in Div 1. The state of their juniors is terribly low. Onkas and Ironbank are doing okay just to keep their heads above water but the reality is premiership success won't be coming anytime soon. Lobethal have put up a good fight in recent years but get tested by depth and usually fail as the season goes on. So that leaves the three clubs who are flushed with numbers, sponsors and money. This situation isnt going to change for a while. Happy to be proven wrong when the end of season comes but I think it's time some of the Div 1 smaller clubs consider where they actually fit in the HFL. I think Bridgewater have found some solace and happiness in Div 2.
by anonymousfooty » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:37 pm
by Legs Man » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:00 am
by Dutchy » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:21 am
by Corona Man » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:27 am
Dutchy wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Mt Barker don't have an A grade cricket team, which confirms population is a factor but its more important on how your club is run and its reputation.
by batmanbegins » Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:53 pm
Dutchy wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Mt Barker don't have an A grade cricket team, which confirms population is a factor but its more important on how your club is run and its reputation.
anonymousfooty wrote:I know for a fact clubs like Hahndorf and Lobethal have put ALOT of effort into the juniors in the previous years and i think you can see it is starting to pay off. Lobethal have a list of mostly local players and play with very few points each game and a lot of Hahndorfs current senior players all played there juniors there so credit to them. I know other clubs have started to try but I just think maybe a few other clubs should take a leaf out of there books and start focusing a lot more on juniors as they are important to a good club.
by Keefy » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:10 pm
batmanbegins wrote:Dutchy wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Mt Barker don't have an A grade cricket team, which confirms population is a factor but its more important on how your club is run and its reputation.
Cricket is very different from footy these day's dutchy, Hahndorf don't have an A grade in cricket either. Cricket is simply just a lack of people willing to play the game these days.anonymousfooty wrote:I know for a fact clubs like Hahndorf and Lobethal have put ALOT of effort into the juniors in the previous years and i think you can see it is starting to pay off. Lobethal have a list of mostly local players and play with very few points each game and a lot of Hahndorfs current senior players all played there juniors there so credit to them. I know other clubs have started to try but I just think maybe a few other clubs should take a leaf out of there books and start focusing a lot more on juniors as they are important to a good club.
I agree that Hahndorf are outstanding in the way they run their juniors because personally the team that should dominate Juniors is Mt Barker considering the population. However, I know the amount of work at Ironbank we put in to get Juniors but when you have bugger all population and there is blackwood, lofty & Happy valley surrounding it is always going to be hard. It's easy to say rely on Juniors but there is no way we could compete with essentially an all local side and the same goes for TV, Echunga & Uraidla. I'd say Echunga have done a terrific job over the past few years to get junior numbers but it's still hard for them to win to many games, which is similar to us.
If every A grade side was just a local side it would be a pretty lopsided competition, which is why you have to have a big focus on recruits as well for smaller clubs. Uraidla have done an outstanding job of it and deserve credit, same as Echunga.
by wazzal77 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:22 pm
by cracka » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:53 pm
wazzal77 wrote:Apart from Bridgewater Callington (which geographically seems an odd combination, but I suppose so does Mt Torrens and Mt Pleasant with Birdwood in the middle ?) When was the last merger of clubs in the Hills? Is there not the opportunity to bring two towns together? Maccie/Meadows, Kangarilla-ironbank, Gum/Birdwood? I read an article on Eudunda Robertstown merger a while back and they are two dying towns but seem pretty competitive against the thriving Clare area? Would that not work in the Hills? Or is it fear of lost identity and pride getting in the way?
by Corona Man » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:56 pm
cracka wrote:wazzal77 wrote:Apart from Bridgewater Callington (which geographically seems an odd combination, but I suppose so does Mt Torrens and Mt Pleasant with Birdwood in the middle ?) When was the last merger of clubs in the Hills? Is there not the opportunity to bring two towns together? Maccie/Meadows, Kangarilla-ironbank, Gum/Birdwood? I read an article on Eudunda Robertstown merger a while back and they are two dying towns but seem pretty competitive against the thriving Clare area? Would that not work in the Hills? Or is it fear of lost identity and pride getting in the way?
I'm thinking the last real merger (Uraidla/Eastern Ranges was more of a takeover) before Torrens Valley was Lenswood Ranges & Ashton forming Eastern Ranges in the 80's. Before that I reckon it was Heathfield/Aldgate United & Stirling to form Mt Lofty???
by cracka » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:14 pm
Corona Man wrote:cracka wrote:wazzal77 wrote:Apart from Bridgewater Callington (which geographically seems an odd combination, but I suppose so does Mt Torrens and Mt Pleasant with Birdwood in the middle ?) When was the last merger of clubs in the Hills? Is there not the opportunity to bring two towns together? Maccie/Meadows, Kangarilla-ironbank, Gum/Birdwood? I read an article on Eudunda Robertstown merger a while back and they are two dying towns but seem pretty competitive against the thriving Clare area? Would that not work in the Hills? Or is it fear of lost identity and pride getting in the way?
I'm thinking the last real merger (Uraidla/Eastern Ranges was more of a takeover) before Torrens Valley was Lenswood Ranges & Ashton forming Eastern Ranges in the 80's. Before that I reckon it was Heathfield/Aldgate United & Stirling to form Mt Lofty???
The Lenswood/Ashton merge was a long time ago. I recall playing footy at both those grounds, against the then local teams. The fog was always an issue at Ashton. Recall playing Eastern Ranges at Lenswood one day. Our mob kicked 40 goals, and the locals kicked about 25.... high scoring ground!
What year was the merger Cracka?
by rock » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:29 pm
Corona Man wrote:^ spot on Rock.... A 4 team comp in Div 1 really would be the ducks nuts!
by rock » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:34 pm
Peakedinhighschool wrote:rock wrote:At what cost? Look at Echunga now, Mt Lofty are still paying off their debt and Uraidla have been propped up by Parker money but their juniors have been floundering for years. The model of all three isn't sustainable for Div 1. Then add in Torrens Valley who have been elevated by the money of Hughes still without success in Div 1. The state of their juniors is terribly low. Onkas and Ironbank are doing okay just to keep their heads above water but the reality is premiership success won't be coming anytime soon. Lobethal have put up a good fight in recent years but get tested by depth and usually fail as the season goes on. So that leaves the three clubs who are flushed with numbers, sponsors and money. This situation isnt going to change for a while. Happy to be proven wrong when the end of season comes but I think it's time some of the Div 1 smaller clubs consider where they actually fit in the HFL. I think Bridgewater have found some solace and happiness in Div 2.
Are you saying Uraidla juniors would be more successful if they didn't pay senior footballers like every other club in the league does? Would Uraidla's population suddenly increase to have 40+ kids to pick from each week like the "big clubs" have if they stopped paying senior footballers?
by cracka » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:51 pm
rock wrote:Corona Man wrote:^ spot on Rock.... A 4 team comp in Div 1 really would be the ducks nuts!
Thats the way it looks in its current environment CM. I don't have a lot of answers but perhaps capping junior teams might help. I've heard it is quite effective in other leagues. It will stop mass domination of these larger clubs. I know something needs to be done soon.
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