HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Bat Pad]

Was told today Onka Valley's B grade had 2 players granted dodgey permits. James Pfeiffer and Matt Guitink who have played more As than Bs. Apparently the excuse given by the HFL was that they were B graders filling in for injured A graders during the season. I had to laugh, Guitink would have signed as a contracted player having previously come from Willunga's successful A grade side. And Pfeiffer has played more As than Bs over the past 2 years. Well done HFL, looks like you stuffed up here. I'm sure Mt Barker's B grade would be interested to hear this given they are their next opponent. Would 'cheating' be a fair word to use here?? I think so.

Can't speak for pfeiffer but Gutnick was a fairly obvious B Grader. Played both B grade games v Hahndorf

[Afterthesiren]

Was told today Onka Valley's B grade had 2 players granted dodgey permits. James Pfeiffer and Matt Guitink who have played more As than Bs. Apparently the excuse given by the HFL was that they were B graders filling in for injured A graders during the season. I had to laugh, Guitink would have signed as a contracted player having previously come from Willunga's successful A grade side. And Pfeiffer has played more As than Bs over the past 2 years. Well done HFL, looks like you stuffed up here. I'm sure Mt Barker's B grade would be interested to hear this given they are their next opponent. Would 'cheating' be a fair word to use here?? I think so.

Can't speak for pfeiffer but Gutnick was a fairly obvious B Grader. Played both B grade games v Hahndorf

Played both A grade v Ironbank. Went ok too.
Surely 8,9 or 10 A grade games is more than just filling in for injuries? Where do you draw a line?

[Bat Pad]

If he played 10 A Grade then he played 8 B grade most likely. I don't see the issue

[rock]

The issue is it's against the rules. I'd assume the rules are similar or the same as to those in the SFL where if you play more games in the higher grade you are only eligible for that grade. I don't think the HFL follow rules to well though, feel free to join the SFL if you like.

[LuvsFooty]

Guitinik played 8 A's, 7 b's in the minor round but played 4 of the last 5 in the b's. Most leagues take the last 5 in to consideration for qualification (majority in the last 5 counts). Think of it this way. You play the first 12 in the a's then get dropped because of form. Would be pretty rough to be ubable to play finals because of the total. Not many clubs use this as a tool to qualify good players because they have enough integrity to put their best players in the main game

[atlantis]

Rock, i think you're really clutching at straws there. Pfeiffer played the last 8 matches consecutively in the B Grade and Gutink played the last 7 in the B grade except 1 where played A Grade because we were without Shee and Angove!
How can you seriously think they should not be playing finals footy?
Also im really interested to see the "rule" you are referencing in your prior argument

[rock]

Guitinik played 8 A's, 7 b's in the minor round but played 4 of the last 5 in the b's. Most leagues take the last 5 in to consideration for qualification (majority in the last 5 counts). Think of it this way. You play the first 12 in the a's then get dropped because of form. Would be pretty rough to be ubable to play finals because of the total. Not many clubs use this as a tool to qualify good players because they have enough integrity to put their best players in the main game

I see what your saying LF but that doesn't appear to be a written rule or law. If you go to the HFL website on sportingpulse it says a permit may be considered through injury or illness. However if you've played 15 games (only missed 3) and played the last 5 games surely this rule cannot be considered. The rule could be bent to suit though by saying the player played up to cover other players injury or illness. I'm pretty sure it's not meant for this purpose, I'd say it's meant for the player in question returning from long term injury or illness. This rule needs some clarity or it will continue to be abused as it has in this case.

[Afterthesiren]

If this rule is bent in this manner then Blackwood (who also don't have As in finals) should be applying for some permits for some who have played more As than Bs. We all know they suffered at least one long term injury at the hands of a cowardly Onkas A grader.

[LuvsFooty]

Guitinik played 8 A's, 7 b's in the minor round but played 4 of the last 5 in the b's. Most leagues take the last 5 in to consideration for qualification (majority in the last 5 counts). Think of it this way. You play the first 12 in the a's then get dropped because of form. Would be pretty rough to be ubable to play finals because of the total. Not many clubs use this as a tool to qualify good players because they have enough integrity to put their best players in the main game

I see what your saying LF but that doesn't appear to be a written rule or law. If you go to the HFL website on sportingpulse it says a permit may be considered through injury or illness. However if you've played 15 games (only missed 3) and played the last 5 games surely this rule cannot be considered. The rule could be bent to suit though by saying the player played up to cover other players injury or illness. I'm pretty sure it's not meant for this purpose, I'd say it's meant for the player in question returning from long term injury or illness. This rule needs some clarity or it will continue to be abused as it has in this case.

Fair call. Its certainly open to dodgey behaviour. Why you would do it I will never know? B Grade flags are good if your A Grade gets one too

[Bat Pad]

The issue is it's against the rules. I'd assume the rules are similar or the same as to those in the SFL where if you play more games in the higher grade you are only eligible for that grade. I don't think the HFL follow rules to well though, feel free to join the SFL if you like.

I think the rules are that you are allowed to apply for a permit to play and if the HFL grant one, you are allowed to play.

The HFL saw good reason to grant a permit in these player,s cases, and based on what has been written regarding their seasons, so would have I. If you don't like it, feel free to chat to your club president to request a rule change.

[RooShootOhh]

Just try and get both teams in the finals, then 'Open Selection Policy' rules surely!

[Bluedemon]

who is playing in the finals this week and at what ground?

[Whiteline]

Guitinik played 8 A's, 7 b's in the minor round but played 4 of the last 5 in the b's. Most leagues take the last 5 in to consideration for qualification (majority in the last 5 counts). Think of it this way. You play the first 12 in the a's then get dropped because of form. Would be pretty rough to be ubable to play finals because of the total. Not many clubs use this as a tool to qualify good players because they have enough integrity to put their best players in the main game

I see what your saying LF but that doesn't appear to be a written rule or law. If you go to the HFL website on sportingpulse it says a permit may be considered through injury or illness. However if you've played 15 games (only missed 3) and played the last 5 games surely this rule cannot be considered. The rule could be bent to suit though by saying the player played up to cover other players injury or illness. I'm pretty sure it's not meant for this purpose, I'd say it's meant for the player in question returning from long term injury or illness. This rule needs some clarity or it will continue to be abused as it has in this case.

Fair call. Its certainly open to dodgey behaviour. Why you would do it I will never know? B Grade flags are good if your A Grade gets one too

Too many 'what ifs' that we could put a spin on any way we like. FWIW, what I don't like about permits is that if your team/grade has ENOUGH players to field a full team you can still bring in a 'ring-in' for the finals on some lame excuse but this is at the expense of another player. IMHO permits should not be given to any player to play in finals when his team already has enough players to field a full team.

For any team to give thought to who they can bring up on permits for finals is to me shonky in itself and says more about the club than the individual.

Didn't IB's twos have a game taken off them in last year's finals for a permit breach? I'm not 100% sure of the facts so will stand corrected if I'm wrong.

[Whiteline]

who is playing in the finals this week and at what ground?

2nd semi is Mt Barker vs Uraidla at Balhannah oval. Winner to GF. Loser to Prelim.

1st semi is Hahndorf vs Torrens Valley at Mt Barker oval. Winner to Prelim. Loser out.

[Afterthesiren]

How does Balhannah get a Semi and a Grand Final?? Are there some Onkas people heavily involved with the HFL???

[the big fella]

How does Balhannah get a Semi and a Grand Final?? Are there some Onkas people heavily involved with the HFL???

In one word..YES

[Justquietly]

How does Balhannah get a Semi and a Grand Final?? Are there some Onkas people heavily involved with the HFL???

That's bullsh$t getting 2 x finals.
Some aren't going to like this suggestion but why not do what the SAAFL does (I think) - give the higher placing teams home finals & then only one decision has to be made: where to have the grandy. Bridgey might be dry by now...

[rock]

How does Balhannah get a Semi and a Grand Final?? Are there some Onkas people heavily involved with the HFL???

In one word..YES

That's disgusting... to say the least. Stinks of favoritism.

[chopper7]

How does Balhannah get a Semi and a Grand Final?? Are there some Onkas people heavily involved with the HFL???

That's bullsh$t getting 2 x finals.
Some aren't going to like this suggestion but why not do what the SAAFL does (I think) - give the higher placing teams home finals & then only one decision has to be made: where to have the grandy. Bridgey might be dry by now...

I'm in huge favor of this idea. Scrap callington, get the HFL to completely do up the facilities and make this the neutral ground and play the GF there. What a joke that onkas have two finals, just feeling sorry that they didn't make the finals this year.

[geep8370]

The whole HFL Onkas problem is building steam. Have heard now that upto 5 clubs are discussing the logistics of forming a new league, SHL Southern Hills League.