EP Sport - back with a vengeance

[ironknob]

so how did everyone go in there tips this week lads well done to the tassie boys a great team effort the young umpire killed both sides! i think you have to have played the game at a high level n been around to be an umpire not bagging him out because its good hes havin a crack but he clearly has no **** idea :evil: he should be umpiring the colts untill he has some experience because he changed the flo of the game .the other umpires didnt do to bad but everytime it went near the young fella he didnt have a clue.the other umpires were over riding his calls from 30 metres up the ground.

Pretty intimidating for a young kid to umpire senior footy at the best of times, but in a game between LS and TFC would be the hardest gig in footy. Both teams are renowned umpire baggers and both benches have a history of the same. livefooty your comments are reflective of the culture that oozes from the club, and part of the reason why the PLFL is struggling for umpires.

im reasonable sure i've heard your comments from the centenary mound towards the men in orange BTB ..... and they weren't complimentary . Im greatful that we get good umpires each week and they do a good job most weekends however the umpires are paid and should be accountable. The little fella was out of his depth and Live footy is right that he should be in the colts for a little bit longer. The other 2 umps were reasonably good and you can actually have a conversation with them on the field. Maybe we should be looking at who coaches these Umps and ask them why the bloke hasn't improved??

[acockfromwayback]

for beebs sake... he has improved.!! Did you not watch Lincoln footy last year knob?
Sure he still misses a few and gets a few wrong but hell he's not that much worse than the majority of umpires we have locally. I applaud the young digger for having a crack. At seventeen or whatever he is, he'll make a fine umpire one day

[Media Park]

My tips, shocking... least I got the Eagles right in the AFL!

LDS- You're Buddy Franklin, aren't you?

Young umpire... Fairly sure you're talking about Johnno Heath. IMHO there's nothing too bad from him from what I've seen- much improved from last year, and he's been given the gig as one of two Port Lincoln umps in the Kinlough Cup next weekend.

Mallee Park "worst for littering"... Definetly correct. Just looking at their coaches box at Poole saturday, feel sorry for the poor bloke who had to clean it...

Ravendale... Contrary to CU, I have heard nothing about them wanting their money back, and however ignorant it may be, I will offer an opinion:

The TFC, Hockey Association and the Community Club all "owned" Ravendale, with the Council the guarantor (reckon I spelt that wrong) on the loan.

Now if you bought a house, and couldn't make the repayments, the bank that gave you the loan would repossess the house, and there'd be no hope in hell of getting your $$$ back.

In this instance, as I understand it, the Council, as guarantor, payed up and "bought" Ravendale.

If that is the case, why would TFC expect to get a cent back?

[lincolnsdirtysecrets]

Heard a rumour from a PLFL official today that the TFC have put in submission that: now they are not owners of ravendale that they want their $350,000 they put in refunded to them.
marble park or coyote can you confirm?

what is everyones thoughts on this issue? should they get their money back?

If they have been 'bought' out as marble park said they should get their money back as they have been bought out and no longer have any say in what happens out there. But if they didn't negotiate this when the PLCC took over then its their own fault.
A person who knows more than me with business dealings will tell you they should have negotiated a deal before handing the centre over

MP I am not Buddy Franklin.

[tiger07andbeyond]

Young umpire... Fairly sure you're talking about Johnno Heath. IMHO there's nothing too bad from him from what I've seen- much improved from last year, and he's been given the gig as one of two Port Lincoln umps in the Kinlough Cup next weekend.

Mallee Park "worst for littering"... Definetly correct. Just looking at their coaches box at Poole saturday, feel sorry for the poor bloke who had to clean it...

Ravendale... Contrary to CU, I have heard nothing about them wanting their money back, and however ignorant it may be, I will offer an opinion:

The TFC, Hockey Association and the Community Club all "owned" Ravendale, with the Council the guarantor (reckon I spelt that wrong) on the loan.

Now if you bought a house, and couldn't make the repayments, the bank that gave you the loan would repossess the house, and there'd be no hope in hell of getting your $$$ back.

In this instance, as I understand it, the Council, as guarantor, payed up and "bought" Ravendale.

If that is the case, why would TFC expect to get a cent back?

It wasn't only the coaches box that was left disgusting it was also the south-western corner at the back. Disgusting pigs.

Johno is no good. He has caused more bad than good in the game of football and should be suspended or told to try hockey.

[overloaded]

WCP, tiger or MP what do the BFC own at Poole Oval? Do they own the building and lease the oval? how does it work there?
As TFC have forfieted ownership of ravendale to the council that means they own/have nothing and have done their money cold doesn't it?

[bluestheboy]

For what it is worth, I think that technically JH is a pretty good umpire. Not scared to make a decision and tries to protect the guy with his head over the footy. His problems come about under verbal pressure from the field and bench. Tend to panic a bit and loses control imho. We had him half a dozen times last year and had no problem with him. Thats not to say the opposition teams had the same view, because a couple of those games the above occurred.
I would say good on the kid for having a go, and give him the respect that authority should be granted.
As for those on here that are critical of him, why don't you guys don the green/orange or yellow and umpire a MP/ LS / TFC senior game and then post after that...pretty difficult job for an adult with 36 players and 2 benches screaming abuse at you let alone a 17 yo kid.

[napolean]

great win for roosters, now they are back in the finals race.
cougars look to be the real deal in GF, saints getting closer.. the 2's are talking finals

[overloaded]

roosters, now they are back in the finals race.

crap

[tiger07andbeyond]

We own the building overloaded and lease the land of the council. It works for us and the council. The oval is open to anyone to use at anytime during the day. The surface is the best on EP.

The TFC now share lease a building and the oval.

[napolean]

roosters, now they are back in the finals race.

crap

easy big fella, im quite certain they are only a game off 4th
boston 4 44.38%
rangers 4 39.50%
tasman 2 39.57%

the race for fourth is on in earnest!!!!

[Media Park]

LDS kicked two goals for MRFC...

Zac Calderwood, Ryan Walsh, and Scotty Charman kicked two goals for MRFC on the weeknd...

[coyote ugly]

so which one is he MP?

[haloman]

great win for roosters, now they are back in the finals race.
cougars look to be the real deal in GF, saints getting closer.. the 2's are talking finals

Saints 2's talking Finals............Tassies A grade talking finals.........Well I suppose if your not going to be playing in them then you might as well talk about them.......
Saw most of the second half at Ravendale on Saturday...........Tasmans were very good and their third quarter probably won them the game. Souths couldn't find a target up forward with the breeze in the 3rd quarter.........game over.
Good to see your lads have a win again in the 2's napolean. From all reports tho your 2's team does have a discipline problem. Rumor has it some of your guys wont even work in the kitchen when asked! What's going on man!!!!

[livefooty]

all im saying is good on the lad for having a crack but imagine in a tight finals game were there would be double the pressure and everyone yelling from all angles,he would crumble, he needs to umpire a lower level,less pressure!!till he has the expierence then umpire a grade.its a tough gig.

[haloman]

What a debacle this Ravendale Complex has become. Ravendale has pros and cons........... no question. I don't think the over riding vision behind Ravendale was floored. The idea of a mutli purpose sporting complex in any country center makes sence. Sharing costs such as lease fees, watering costs and ground maintence has worked well in other centers such as Mt. Gambier. Ravendale is a totally different proposition however. The lease fee for use of the Oval is $1 per association.........hardley worth sharing costs there. Water is free as it is recycled "poo" water. Again no working together. The gate money gets split automatically between footy, netball and hockey and is not collected and redistributed for maintaining the ovals, courts or hockey fields. Here in lies the greatest problem facing Ravendale into the future. What are the maintence costs of the Ovals for the TFC or the PLFL? the answer is close to zero. The council mow the ground and maintain the oval. They mark the lines, fix the fences trim the trees etc. What are the maintence costs for Hockey and Netball? Not much at the moment. However what happens to hockey when the turf pitch needs to fixed? What happens to netball when the courts need resurfacing?
If people out there think in a few years time the disputes will die down and everything will be rosey..........your kidding yourself. The council, TFC and the Hockey associtation are all guilty of the same thing..........not the vision........but the planning. All three parties rushed into this way to quickly without giving it the level of FORWARD planning a complex of this size and cost demanded. The building was was a rediculous size and cost. These costings are all just guess work, I'm not on the board and have and not on any committe out there, but think about this for a moment.........
Loan for the building.........$800000. If the interest rate on this loan was steady at 7% it would take payments of $100,000 per year over 12 years to pay off in full.
To pay a manager, kitchen staff, overheads you can double that $100,000.
So we are seaching for $200,000 per year over 12 years JUST to break even, even though there are next to no maintence or ground watering costs. With no pokies............impossible. With pokies..........still not likely.
My question to hockey, TFC and the council is this...........Why so big? Smaller building would have meant smaller loan and less money to find. Why does it need a Monday to Sunday manager when there are no pokies? Why have the kitchen open with payed staff on Firday nights to do 20 to 30 meals tops?
If due diligence had been done properly on behalf of all parties then surely a loan of this size would not have been taken out. The TFC and Hockey were never in a position to manage such a loan and still manage there organisations effectively. Kudo's to the council for recognizing this mistake and taking over the debt in time to save Hockey and the TFC from ruin.

For all the mistakes and past failings Ravendale is still important and it shits me to tears when people say otherwise. The building was clearly overkill, but there is not question it is an awesome venue. If you haven't done so yet.......go upstairs and have a beer and tell me I'm wrong. From what I've seen Friday night Football has been fantastic and will only get bigger. We have seen 20/20 cricket underlights which has been exiting to watch and the players seem to like it. International Hockey in Port Lincoln. A massive junior soccer carnival bringing in 50+ junior teams with well over 1000 people attached to it rolls into town in september. How much will these events, and future ones, been worth to the town?
What I'm getting at is I think it is time that all the negativity regarding Ravendale be finally put to rest. Yes it may have been a debacle and many of you have enjoyed the "I told you so" comments I read on here. None of you were wrong but yet Ravendale is still there..........and always will be. How about we start focusing on how it can be used properly into the future and support it a little so that it doesn't become the massive waste of money most of you see it as. Just because your have been right it doen't mean you ARE right.

[silicone skyline]

I won't read all that.

[untapped ability]

What a debacle this Ravendale Complex has become. Ravendale has pros and cons........... no question. I don't think the over riding vision behind Ravendale was floored. The idea of a mutli purpose sporting complex in any country center makes sence. Sharing costs such as lease fees, watering costs and ground maintence has worked well in other centers such as Mt. Gambier. Ravendale is a totally different proposition however. The lease fee for use of the Oval is $1 per association.........hardley worth sharing costs there. Water is free as it is recycled "poo" water. Again no working together. The gate money gets split automatically between footy, netball and hockey and is not collected and redistributed for maintaining the ovals, courts or hockey fields. Here in lies the greatest problem facing Ravendale into the future. What are the maintence costs of the Ovals for the TFC or the PLFL? the answer is close to zero. The council mow the ground and maintain the oval. They mark the lines, fix the fences trim the trees etc. What are the maintence costs for Hockey and Netball? Not much at the moment. However what happens to hockey when the turf pitch needs to fixed? What happens to netball when the courts need resurfacing?
If people out there think in a few years time the disputes will die down and everything will be rosey..........your kidding yourself. The council, TFC and the Hockey associtation are all guilty of the same thing..........not the vision........but the planning. All three parties rushed into this way to quickly without giving it the level of FORWARD planning a complex of this size and cost demanded. The building was was a rediculous size and cost. These costings are all just guess work, I'm not on the board and have and not on any committe out there, but think about this for a moment.........
Loan for the building.........$800000. If the interest rate on this loan was steady at 7% it would take payments of $100,000 per year over 12 years to pay off in full.
To pay a manager, kitchen staff, overheads you can double that $100,000.
So we are seaching for $200,000 per year over 12 years JUST to break even, even though there are next to no maintence or ground watering costs. With no pokies............impossible. With pokies..........still not likely.
My question to hockey, TFC and the council is this...........Why so big? Smaller building would have meant smaller loan and less money to find. Why does it need a Monday to Sunday manager when there are no pokies? Why have the kitchen open with payed staff on Firday nights to do 20 to 30 meals tops?
If due diligence had been done properly on behalf of all parties then surely a loan of this size would not have been taken out. The TFC and Hockey were never in a position to manage such a loan and still manage there organisations effectively. Kudo's to the council for recognizing this mistake and taking over the debt in time to save Hockey and the TFC from ruin.

For all the mistakes and past failings Ravendale is still important and it shits me to tears when people say otherwise. The building was clearly overkill, but there is not question it is an awesome venue. If you haven't done so yet.......go upstairs and have a beer and tell me I'm wrong. From what I've seen Friday night Football has been fantastic and will only get bigger. We have seen 20/20 cricket underlights which has been exiting to watch and the players seem to like it. International Hockey in Port Lincoln. A massive junior soccer carnival bringing in 50+ junior teams with well over 1000 people attached to it rolls into town in september. How much will these events, and future ones, been worth to the town?
What I'm getting at is I think it is time that all the negativity regarding Ravendale be finally put to rest. Yes it may have been a debacle and many of you have enjoyed the "I told you so" comments I read on here. None of you were wrong but yet Ravendale is still there..........and always will be. How about we start focusing on how it can be used properly into the future and support it a little so that it doesn't become the massive waste of money most of you see it as. Just because your have been right it doen't mean you ARE right.

finally an honest ravendale member admitting it is a debacle.

dont bring cricket into it. we have no toilets and gained very little assistance from ravendale/netball/baseball for the 20/20

[Media Park]

I won't read all that.

I did, and I am none the wiser.

[overloaded]

You make some very valid points haloman and I repect your views. well said. good to have some knowlegable conversation from someone in the know.
Do the TFC have a right to put out their hand for their money back from the council haloman?