HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Bertie Beetle]

Was at work today, any results?

Blackwood versus Lobethal results -

A-Grade – Blackwood - 19-13-127 - defeated Lobethal - 15-7-97

This was a very entertaining game with Lobethal challenging the Woods for much of the first 3 quarters and were in the game at 3 quarter-time being only 19 points down. Then Blackwood blew the game apart kicking 5 goals at the start of the last quarter to kill it off. Lobethal kicked 4 junk-time goals to bring the margin back down but it was good to finally get back on the winners list.
Lobethal are very much improved side on recent years with some good midfielders and a ruckman who need to control his temper and not get red cards are getting too yellow cards and also if they had a couple more big bodies, they could be real competitors. It was good too see Blackwood have multiple targets up forward with Dundovic kicking 6, Damien Gigney kicking 6 and a couple more of multiple goal kickers.

B-Grade– Blackwood - 14-9-93 - defeated Lobethal - 5-4-34

A very even contribution for Blackwood with a lot of players playing well and many kicking multiple goals.

Under 17’s – Blackwood – 14 goals - defeated Lobethal – 10 goals

Blackwood won the game in the first half leading 11 goals to 2 at half time with Daniel Philp sitting on 9 goals at half time. But Lobethal came back and won the second half kicking 8 goals to 3 to make the score closer than it had to be. If Blackwood played a full-game it would have been at least a 15 goal win.

Under 15’s – Blackwood defeated Lobethal

Under 13’s – Not sure

[Banker]

IB d. Handorf by 5-6 goals.
Uraidla were thumping Lofty in the last quarter.

[Armytank]

I hear there was a player count in the A's at Hahndorf. A Hahndorf player was sent off and came back on after 10 minutes. The rule is 15 minutes straight playing time. Ironbank called for a count but the problem is the Timekeepers never recorded the yellow card! Therefore Hahdorf get a free kick for Ironbank calling the count and Hahndorf get a goal for it and get to play with 18 for five minuted longer than they should.

The umpires were a little red faced as it is their responsibility to hold the game up until the player has left the oval and the timekeepers acknowledge the yellow card.

This is all second hand info, can anyone elaberate?

[Trooper]

Was at work today, any results?

Blackwood versus Lobethal results -

A-Grade – Blackwood - 19-13-127 - defeated Lobethal - 15-7-97

This was a very entertaining game with Lobethal challenging the Woods for much of the first 3 quarters and were in the game at 3 quarter-time being only 19 points down. Then Blackwood blew the game apart kicking 5 goals at the start of the last quarter to kill it off. Lobethal kicked 4 junk-time goals to bring the margin back down but it was good to finally get back on the winners list.
Lobethal are very much improved side on recent years with some good midfielders and a ruckman who need to control his temper and not get red cards are getting too yellow cards and also if they had a couple more big bodies, they could be real competitors. It was good too see Blackwood have multiple targets up forward with Dundovic kicking 6, Damien Gigney kicking 6 and a couple more of multiple goal kickers.

B-Grade– Blackwood - 14-9-93 - defeated Lobethal - 5-4-34

A very even contribution for Blackwood with a lot of players playing well and many kicking multiple goals.

Under 17’s – Blackwood – 14 goals - defeated Lobethal – 10 goals

Blackwood won the game in the first half leading 11 goals to 2 at half time with Daniel Philp sitting on 9 goals at half time. But Lobethal came back and won the second half kicking 8 goals to 3 to make the score closer than it had to be. If Blackwood played a full-game it would have been at least a 15 goal win.

Under 15’s – Blackwood defeated Lobethal

Under 13’s – Not sure

With the umpire giving Blackwood free kicks for the first two centre bounces of the last quarter for 2 goals. That killed it off yes, but wouldn't say Blackwood blew the game apart. The first free of the last quarter to Blackwood for some reason was overhanging from the 3rd quarter. Goodness knows how that works then the next was a runner infringement. Yes the ruckman was ill disciplined and cost Loby 3 goals when he was sent off in the second quarter then he cost a few more goals when he was sent off in the last quarter, but Blackwood were average and shouldn't get too carried away with their win. Loby should've been the victor if not for the poor discipline.

[Bertie Beetle]

Was at work today, any results?

Blackwood versus Lobethal results -

A-Grade – Blackwood - 19-13-127 - defeated Lobethal - 15-7-97

This was a very entertaining game with Lobethal challenging the Woods for much of the first 3 quarters and were in the game at 3 quarter-time being only 19 points down. Then Blackwood blew the game apart kicking 5 goals at the start of the last quarter to kill it off. Lobethal kicked 4 junk-time goals to bring the margin back down but it was good to finally get back on the winners list.
Lobethal are very much improved side on recent years with some good midfielders and a ruckman who need to control his temper and not get red cards are getting too yellow cards and also if they had a couple more big bodies, they could be real competitors. It was good too see Blackwood have multiple targets up forward with Dundovic kicking 6, Damien Gigney kicking 6 and a couple more of multiple goal kickers.

B-Grade– Blackwood - 14-9-93 - defeated Lobethal - 5-4-34

A very even contribution for Blackwood with a lot of players playing well and many kicking multiple goals.

Under 17’s – Blackwood – 14 goals - defeated Lobethal – 10 goals

Blackwood won the game in the first half leading 11 goals to 2 at half time with Daniel Philp sitting on 9 goals at half time. But Lobethal came back and won the second half kicking 8 goals to 3 to make the score closer than it had to be. If Blackwood played a full-game it would have been at least a 15 goal win.

Under 15’s – Blackwood defeated Lobethal

Under 13’s – Not sure

With the umpire giving Blackwood free kicks for the first two centre bounces of the last quarter for 2 goals. That killed it off yes, but wouldn't say Blackwood blew the game apart. The first free of the last quarter to Blackwood for some reason was overhanging from the 3rd quarter. Goodness knows how that works then the next was a runner infringement. Yes the ruckman was ill disciplined and cost Loby 3 goals when he was sent off in the second quarter then he cost a few more goals when he was sent off in the last quarter, but Blackwood were average and shouldn't get too carried away with their win. Loby should've been the victor if not for the poor discipline.

I can explain those frees-kicks. The first one was because as a Blackwood player ran past the Lobethal huddle trying to get to the Blackwood huddle at 3-quarter-time he got taken to ground by a Lobethal player and as he didn’t making an gesture towards that certain Lobethal player the umpires felt it was necessary to pay a free-kick against it. The second was because the Lobethal runner was ‘hanging around’ giving some ‘lip’ in the corridor of the ground after giving his message to his player and not moving off the ground.

As you can see, I didn’t say we were fantastic and in no-way are we getting carried away with the win. We realize that we still have plenty work hard on before were even a chance at the flag, it was just good to get back on the winners list.

[spot on]

I hear there was a player count in the A's at Hahndorf. A Hahndorf player was sent off and came back on after 10 minutes. The rule is 15 minutes straight playing time. Ironbank called for a count but the problem is the Timekeepers never recorded the yellow card! Therefore Hahdorf get a free kick for Ironbank calling the count and Hahndorf get a goal for it and get to play with 18 for five minuted longer than they should.

The umpires were a little red faced as it is their responsibility to hold the game up until the player has left the oval and the timekeepers acknowledge the yellow card.

This is all second hand info, can anyone elaberate?

You have covered it pretty well Armytank, what a shambles. This all happened at the same time Matt Cooper gave Paul Garth a decent punch to the stomach which went unnoticed by the umpires, and I think it was Cooper who was given the ball for the free kick resulting from the head count and kicked the goal that really shouldn't have been. Hahndorf were 4 goals at the time and the "gift goal"made it 5, they didn't kick any goals in the second half only 5 points. Final score Ironbank 13.11 Hahndorf 8.8. I believe a written report will be put in but I bet nothing will come of it.

[Amateur Footy]

The headcount was very poorly handled indeed. Ironbank were correct with the allegation that Hahndorf had 1 too many on the ground but this could not be proven given the timekeepers did not record the time that a Hahndorf player was sent off. Since we have one of the timekeepers in the box we can't complain really. However it was interesting that Hahndorf would put their player back on the ground without the go-ahead from the time keepers and very poor that the umps would reverse a free kick + 50m penalty because we couldn't prove Hahndorf were i the wrong. Can't see anything coming from it due to timekeeper error.

Other big winners were Mt Barker, Uraidla and Onkas.

[rock]

I hear there was a player count in the A's at Hahndorf. A Hahndorf player was sent off and came back on after 10 minutes. The rule is 15 minutes straight playing time. Ironbank called for a count but the problem is the Timekeepers never recorded the yellow card! Therefore Hahdorf get a free kick for Ironbank calling the count and Hahndorf get a goal for it and get to play with 18 for five minuted longer than they should.

The umpires were a little red faced as it is their responsibility to hold the game up until the player has left the oval and the timekeepers acknowledge the yellow card.

This is all second hand info, can anyone elaberate?

You have covered it pretty well Armytank, what a shambles. This all happened at the same time Matt Cooper gave Paul Garth a decent punch to the stomach which went unnoticed by the umpires, and I think it was Cooper who was given the ball for the free kick resulting from the head count and kicked the goal that really shouldn't have been. Hahndorf were 4 goals at the time and the "gift goal"made it 5, they didn't kick any goals in the second half only 5 points. Final score Ironbank 13.11 Hahndorf 8.8. I believe a written report will be put in but I bet nothing will come of it.

Yep I saw this game. Ironbank did everything by the book and Hahndorf admitted to having returned a player to the field after only 10 minutes not the required 15 minutes. Final score should read Ironbank 13.11 Hahndorf 3.7. This will test the HFL.

[Afterthesiren]

I hear there was a player count in the A's at Hahndorf. A Hahndorf player was sent off and came back on after 10 minutes. The rule is 15 minutes straight playing time. Ironbank called for a count but the problem is the Timekeepers never recorded the yellow card! Therefore Hahdorf get a free kick for Ironbank calling the count and Hahndorf get a goal for it and get to play with 18 for five minuted longer than they should.

The umpires were a little red faced as it is their responsibility to hold the game up until the player has left the oval and the timekeepers acknowledge the yellow card.

This is all second hand info, can anyone elaberate?

You have covered it pretty well Armytank, what a shambles. This all happened at the same time Matt Cooper gave Paul Garth a decent punch to the stomach which went unnoticed by the umpires, and I think it was Cooper who was given the ball for the free kick resulting from the head count and kicked the goal that really shouldn't have been. Hahndorf were 4 goals at the time and the "gift goal"made it 5, they didn't kick any goals in the second half only 5 points. Final score Ironbank 13.11 Hahndorf 8.8. I believe a written report will be put in but I bet nothing will come of it.

Yep I saw this game. Ironbank did everything by the book and Hahndorf admitted to having returned a player to the field after only 10 minutes not the required 15 minutes. Final score should read Ironbank 13.11 Hahndorf 3.7. This will test the HFL.

Yes, several people heard the Hahndorf Team Manager admit to returning a player to the field after only 10 minutes. This was said in front of one of the on field umpires as well. I think Hahndorf believed a yellow card was only a 10 minute penalty in A grade. I guess it pays to read a rule book once in a while as well as liase with the timekeepers from 1 min to 15 min. Yes, errors were made by onfield umpires and timekeepers but the ultimate mistake was made by Hahndorf. Ironbank should never have been penalized for this.

[Armytank]

AF - yes Ironbank has a timekeeper in the box as well but you really have missed the point:

The umpires were a little red faced as it is their responsibility to hold the game up until the player has left the oval and the timekeepers acknowledge the yellow card.

THAT is the rule, the umps made the mistake and that has cost Ironbank 31 points extra to their against tally in the percentage. In a competition that is so tight this year, that could be the difference to finishing 3rd or missing the final five.

[spot on]

I can't believe that interchange stewards do not exist in the HFL, if they did this situation surely would not have happened. I know this will require clubs finding yet another volunteer but I believe it should happen.

[jumbo20]

Though still beaten well it seems a better effort for Bridgewater, any reports on the game and where they are at?

[chopper7]

Can safely say the umpiring at the blackwood lobethal game was easiest the worst display I have ever witnessed! Don't think they were hfl umpires but they were borderline terrible! They werent favoring either side just shocking all round!

[humour me]

Can safely say the umpiring at the blackwood lobethal game was easiest the worst display I have ever witnessed! Don't think they were hfl umpires but they were borderline terrible! They werent favoring either side just shocking all round


borderline terrible? you're being very kind chopper7. They were ABSOLUTELY terrible. The young guy was reasonable early but the old guy had an attitude that is becoming a disturbing trend with HFL umpires in that he thought people had come to the footy to watch him umpire.Unfortunately he dragged the young bloke down with him. Hopefully the umpires coach can pair the young fella up with a more suitable role model for future games so he can learn from someone with some feel for the game. There was also the same yellow card situation at Blackwood that occurred at the Ironbank v Hahndorf game. The timekeepers didn't see the umpire show the yellow card so didn't record it. The old umpire blamed the timekeepers for the error but the system is very simple. The umpire holds up the yellow card to the timekeepers box until they respond by holding up their yellow card to acknowledge they have seen the send off and recorded the time. The umpires coach would do well to ensure his charges know the proceedure with the same issue at 2 games this weekend.

[Gervais]

Though still beaten well it seems a better effort for Bridgewater, any reports on the game and where they are at?

went to my third onkas game for the year yesterday and saw possibly the worst performance. we did have a couple of regulars out, but i think a few of the players came along expecting a gentle walk in the park. again, hats off to the tanner boys and shee who as usual gave 100% and looked truly committed. i think some of the young onkas boys in the b grade should be given a go in the next few weeks.

the bridgewater lads look very young and raw. the only players i even recognised were the smith brothers (both who played well). to the raiders credit, they never threw in the towel and i think the inside 50s would have been about even. cant see the raiders winning a game this year, but longer term things might not be as bad as others think.

[cricketlad]

Can safely say the umpiring at the blackwood lobethal game was easiest the worst display I have ever witnessed! Don't think they were hfl umpires but they were borderline terrible! They werent favoring either side just shocking all round


borderline terrible? you're being very kind chopper7. They were ABSOLUTELY terrible. The young guy was reasonable early but the old guy had an attitude that is becoming a disturbing trend with HFL umpires in that he thought people had come to the footy to watch him umpire.Unfortunately he dragged the young bloke down with him. Hopefully the umpires coach can pair the young fella up with a more suitable role model for future games so he can learn from someone with some feel for the game. There was also the same yellow card situation at Blackwood that occurred at the Ironbank v Hahndorf game. The timekeepers didn't see the umpire show the yellow card so didn't record it. The old umpire blamed the timekeepers for the error but the system is very simple. The umpire holds up the yellow card to the timekeepers box until they respond by holding up their yellow card to acknowledge they have seen the send off and recorded the time. The umpires coach would do well to ensure his charges know the proceedure with the same issue at 2 games this weekend.

names??

[Armytank]

There was also the same yellow card situation at Blackwood that occurred at the Ironbank v Hahndorf game. The timekeepers didn't see the umpire show the yellow card so didn't record it. The old umpire blamed the timekeepers for the error but the system is very simple. The umpire holds up the yellow card to the timekeepers box until they respond by holding up their yellow card to acknowledge they have seen the send off and recorded the time. The umpires coach would do well to ensure his charges know the proceedure with the same issue at 2 games this weekend.

Exactly, the blame lays fairly and squarely at the umps for this error.

Spot on, an interchange steward is not required, someone should have liased with the timekeepers as soon as he was sent off, this would have highlighted the issue before it became a problem.

I can't believe this has happened in two games on the same weekend

[spot on]

There was also the same yellow card situation at Blackwood that occurred at the Ironbank v Hahndorf game. The timekeepers didn't see the umpire show the yellow card so didn't record it. The old umpire blamed the timekeepers for the error but the system is very simple. The umpire holds up the yellow card to the timekeepers box until they respond by holding up their yellow card to acknowledge they have seen the send off and recorded the time. The umpires coach would do well to ensure his charges know the proceedure with the same issue at 2 games this weekend.

Exactly, the blame lays fairly and squarely at the umps for this error.

Spot on, an interchange steward is not required, someone should have liased with the timekeepers as soon as he was sent off, this would have highlighted the issue before it became a problem.

I can't believe this has happened in two games on the same weekend

The timekeepers were situated well away from the Hahndorf coaches box, whereas an interchange steward would be situated between the two coaches boxes an d the interchange steward would control the situation, the timekeeper has enough to do. Just my opinion, imagine if the AFL had no I/C stewards, they get into enough trouble with them.

[chopper7]

They should not have umps from different leagues in the first place as the hills footy has a total different feel n style to other leagues! The umpire yesterday has only umpired four hills games this year all blackwood games and yesterday instead of dishing out a yellow card to a blackwood player he merely went to the sock and only 'threatened' him then gave one to the loby bloke for the same thing right away without a so called threat it is rubbish, disgusting to witness the effort that was dished up! He does seem pretty friendly towards the blackwood players aswell! Something needs to b done as it certainly wasn't a fair effort at all!

[Bertie Beetle]

They should not have umps from different leagues in the first place as the hills footy has a total different feel n style to other leagues! The umpire yesterday has only umpired four hills games this year all blackwood games and yesterday instead of dishing out a yellow card to a blackwood player he merely went to the sock and only 'threatened' him then gave one to the loby bloke for the same thing right away without a so called threat it is rubbish, disgusting to witness the effort that was dished up! He does seem pretty friendly towards the blackwood players aswell! Something needs to b done as it certainly wasn't a fair effort at all!

care to explain this further Chopper? as I saw it yesterday, there was no problem with the umpiring yesterday. In both decisions the umpired looked at the time-keepers box with the card up, until he got some sort of signal, so whats your problem?