Community football board

[Clever Dick]

can someone please explain why we need there logo on our gear , what benifit is it to anyone ?

This is the whole issue summed up in one sentence. As far as I can figure, the CFB want logos on jumpers by 2012 so that each club is forced to buy new jumpers, thus ensuring that 10% goes to the CFB. Surely competition between all of the suppliers that we have statewide is better than limiting it to 6! Don't let the CFB tell you they are getting jumpers cheaper for you because this is not the case.

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN COMMUNITY FOOTBALL LEAGUE INC
REGULATIONS
V:\Community Football\Rules and Regulations\Community Football League Regulations Updated December 2009.doc
Page 26
30.1.1 Observe, obey and comply with:
30.1.1.1 The SANFL Constitution, the SANFL Regulations, the
SACFL Constitution and these Regulations in so far as
they apply to such person, Affiliated League or Affiliated
League Club; and
30.1.1.2 Any decision or direction of or direction made by the
Football Commission and/or the Board; and
30.1.1.3 Any agreement to which the SANFL, SACFL, Affiliated
League or Affiliated League Club is a party to the extent
that he is legally capable of so doing.


The above probably sums it up nicely.

Aceman, the election has come and gone, you have no doubt done your homework and the excerpt from the SANFL/CFL Rules & Regs above says it all. Maybe a few need to read it and understand what's happening.
Couldn't be any more obvious than that!
Let the takeover begin, the "doubtful minority" can please themselves.

[Howard]

Aceman and Clever Dick - let's discuss and hopefully agree on something - the CFB is an administrative body that has taken the place of the Affiliated Leagues council - correct?

If this body has been put in place to administer, it needs to have a constitution that it uses to do that ie administer. Just as the old model (Affiliated League council) did, If you looked back at the old models constitution these clauses you have quoted will be there word for word.

It does, does it not, have to be assigned the power to administer??

Obviously not everybody will agree with all the decisions made by the governing body, but is that not the nature of administration?

[aceman]

Aceman and Clever Dick - let's discuss and hopefully agree on something - the CFB is an administrative body that has taken the place of the Affiliated Leagues council - correct? YEP!

If this body has been put in place to administer, it needs to have a constitution that it uses to do that ie administer. Just as the old model (Affiliated League council) did, If you looked back at the old models constitution these clauses you have quoted will be there word for word. YEP!

It does, does it not, have to be assigned the power to administer?? YEP!

Obviously not everybody will agree with all the decisions made by the governing body, but is that not the nature of administration?

Correct, but what happened to "consultation"?


The word "Administration" can be misrepresented in many ways, not the least being taking away the rights of individual bodies or persons to chose their own suppliers of goods or services to their sporting clubs under the misapprehension that all are in favour of them doing just that. You might want to check the value of the JLT Insurance that is in place with most leagues, very basic and lacking value and admitted as such by several administrators but must be taken up by clubs.

Imagine this, the Motor Traders Association tells ALL crash repairers they MUST get their replacement parts from company X, what do you think would happen? Or the SA Hotels Association tells Greg Fahey & Peter Hurley they can no longer stock CUB products, what do you think they would say? Same horse, but a different colour!
Today it's tape supplies and playing apparel, tomorrow might be pies/pasties & Coca Cola, next week SA Brewing products, the week after who knows and so the list continues to grow.

Issue still remains, freedom of choice is being taken away from the football clubs at a rate of knots. Incidentally, what will happen to the current "administrators" of all the affiliated leagues once this jigsaw puzzle is all in place, will they become surplus to needs and dispensed with as was the case with a certain SANFL employee?

[Howard]

Aceman and Clever Dick - let's discuss and hopefully agree on something - the CFB is an administrative body that has taken the place of the Affiliated Leagues council - correct? YEP!

If this body has been put in place to administer, it needs to have a constitution that it uses to do that ie administer. Just as the old model (Affiliated League council) did, If you looked back at the old models constitution these clauses you have quoted will be there word for word. YEP!

It does, does it not, have to be assigned the power to administer?? YEP!

Obviously not everybody will agree with all the decisions made by the governing body, but is that not the nature of administration?

Correct, but what happened to "consultation"?


The word "Administration" can be misrepresented in many ways, not the least being taking away the rights of individual bodies or persons to chose their own suppliers of goods or services to their sporting clubs under the misapprehension that all are in favour of them doing just that. You might want to check the value of the JLT Insurance that is in place with most leagues, very basic and lacking value and admitted as such by several administrators but must be taken up by clubs.

Imagine this, the Motor Traders Association tells ALL crash repairers they MUST get their replacement parts from company X, what do you think would happen? Or the SA Hotels Association tells Greg Fahey & Peter Hurley they can no longer stock CUB products, what do you think they would say? Same horse, but a different colour!
Today it's tape supplies and playing apparel, tomorrow might be pies/pasties & Coca Cola, next week SA Brewing products, the week after who knows and so the list continues to grow.

Issue still remains, freedom of choice is being taken away from the football clubs at a rate of knots. Incidentally, what will happen to the current "administrators" of all the affiliated leagues once this jigsaw puzzle is all in place, will they become surplus to needs and dispensed with as was the case with a certain SANFL employee?

Aceman and Clever Dick - I reckon we've gone as far as we can with this debate, I've enjoyed the banter and will probably close with my views intact, maybe we can say let's see how things work out over the season and if things get ugly you can say I told you so and vice versa!!

Thnx guys and have a good season 2010.

[Clever Dick]

Aceman and Clever Dick - let's discuss and hopefully agree on something - the CFB is an administrative body that has taken the place of the Affiliated Leagues council - correct? YEP!

If this body has been put in place to administer, it needs to have a constitution that it uses to do that ie administer. Just as the old model (Affiliated League council) did, If you looked back at the old models constitution these clauses you have quoted will be there word for word. YEP!

It does, does it not, have to be assigned the power to administer?? YEP!

Obviously not everybody will agree with all the decisions made by the governing body, but is that not the nature of administration?

Correct, but what happened to "consultation"?


The word "Administration" can be misrepresented in many ways, not the least being taking away the rights of individual bodies or persons to chose their own suppliers of goods or services to their sporting clubs under the misapprehension that all are in favour of them doing just that. You might want to check the value of the JLT Insurance that is in place with most leagues, very basic and lacking value and admitted as such by several administrators but must be taken up by clubs.

Imagine this, the Motor Traders Association tells ALL crash repairers they MUST get their replacement parts from company X, what do you think would happen? Or the SA Hotels Association tells Greg Fahey & Peter Hurley they can no longer stock CUB products, what do you think they would say? Same horse, but a different colour!
Today it's tape supplies and playing apparel, tomorrow might be pies/pasties & Coca Cola, next week SA Brewing products, the week after who knows and so the list continues to grow.

Issue still remains, freedom of choice is being taken away from the football clubs at a rate of knots. Incidentally, what will happen to the current "administrators" of all the affiliated leagues once this jigsaw puzzle is all in place, will they become surplus to needs and dispensed with as was the case with a certain SANFL employee?

Aceman and Clever Dick - I reckon we've gone as far as we can with this debate, I've enjoyed the banter and will probably close with my views intact, maybe we can say let's see how things work out over the season and if things get ugly you can say I told you so and vice versa!!

Thnx guys and have a good season 2010.

Oh no! "Don't pull out on me now", said the actress to the Bishop.
Let's just hope for the sake of football overall that what appears to be happening, doesn't!

[steiger]

Aceman and Clever Dick - I reckon we've gone as far as we can with this debate, I've enjoyed the banter and will probably close with my views intact, maybe we can say let's see how things work out over the season and if things get ugly you can say I told you so and vice versa!!

Thnx guys and have a good season 2010.

Well that's that. Boys it appeared early on that you were never going to get Howard to understand what you were saying, even tho everybody else could.
Have to say it's been an interesting read but not sorry to see the end of the infamous Howard. Blokes like him with their head up their a**e should be politicians - doing what the public don't want - perhaps he is ???

[Hellboy]

Long time reader but first time punter

There seem to be a few possibilities

1.The other adminstrations become puppets to the SACFL and touch the forelock forcing the clubs to do the same
2.The SACFL makes the other administrations redundant
3. Nothing, and its all a big fairy tale

Time will tell on this CFL stuff

[Howard]

Aceman and Clever Dick - I reckon we've gone as far as we can with this debate, I've enjoyed the banter and will probably close with my views intact, maybe we can say let's see how things work out over the season and if things get ugly you can say I told you so and vice versa!!

Thnx guys and have a good season 2010.

Well that's that. Boys it appeared early on that you were never going to get Howard to understand what you were saying, even tho everybody else could.
Have to say it's been an interesting read but not sorry to see the end of the infamous Howard. Blokes like him with their head up their a**e should be politicians - doing what the public don't want - perhaps he is ???

Hey Steiger I see you've taken to the p#ss weak option of having a crack at me as I leave, as I've said on some of my previous posts ie public forums usually contain an element of brain dead types who can't contribute other than to abuse other posters who happen to have a different view to their own.

[steiger]

Thanks Howard - I owe you one - what do you drink - just won $20 for your response. Guess you are a better bloke than I thought, although very predictable.

[Howard]

Thanks Howard - I owe you one - what do you drink - just won $20 for your response. Guess you are a better bloke than I thought, although very predictable.

Glad to be of assistance - I'm partial to some Extra Dry

[has been]

Here's a bit of gossip for you all - why where a few of the leagues summoned down south last week and asked by the big GR himself to pull their heads in and given the big sell yet again on the benefits of the CFL and its band of blood sucking cohorts. I know for a fact 3 of the leagues said thanks but no thanks and threats where made .......... bring it on I say !!!!!

[Clever Dick]

Here's a bit of gossip for you all - why where a few of the leagues summoned down south last week and asked by the big GR himself to pull their heads in and given the big sell yet again on the benefits of the CFL and its band of blood sucking cohorts. I know for a fact 3 of the leagues said thanks but no thanks and threats where made .......... bring it on I say !!!!!

They've now got John Halbert out "preaching" the virtues of the CFB to the junior leagues.
Even want to put in place something similar as per the Country setup with junior leagues, own admin and telling them how & what to do.
Reckon that won't 'bring the church down'!!!

[Clever Dick]

They tell me there's more than one club in the Hills league that does not buy their jumpers from the licensed supplier.
I wonder how that supplier feels about paying out money to the league and some clubs don't even purchase from him? Maybe he doesn't know!

[Jailbird]

They tell me there's more than one club in the Hills league that does not buy their jumpers from the licensed supplier.
I wonder how that supplier feels about paying out money to the league and some clubs don't even purchase from him? Maybe he doesn't know!

CD, Are you talking jumpers of the preferred suppliers or you talking the licenced supplied for the Hills? The Hills only have an agreement for shorts and socks not jumpers. They make jumpers but it is not part of the agreement.

[aceman]

They tell me there's more than one club in the Hills league that does not buy their jumpers from the licensed supplier.
I wonder how that supplier feels about paying out money to the league and some clubs don't even purchase from him? Maybe he doesn't know!

CD, Are you talking jumpers of the preferred suppliers or you talking the licenced supplied for the Hills? The Hills only have an agreement for shorts and socks not jumpers. They make jumpers but it is not part of the agreement.

JB, it must have changed then, when originally set up it was for ALL playing apparel and only the licensee,SC could reproduce the HFL logo onto playing apparel.

When did this change, do you know?

[Clever Dick]

They tell me there's more than one club in the Hills league that does not buy their jumpers from the licensed supplier.
I wonder how that supplier feels about paying out money to the league and some clubs don't even purchase from him? Maybe he doesn't know!

CD, Are you talking jumpers of the preferred suppliers or you talking the licenced supplied for the Hills? The Hills only have an agreement for shorts and socks not jumpers. They make jumpers but it is not part of the agreement.

JB, it must have changed then, when originally set up it was for ALL playing apparel and only the licensee,SC could reproduce the HFL logo onto playing apparel.

When did this change, do you know?

Sounds like it could now be "open slather" between the big 6 or isn't the HFL pushing the CFL barrow?
I wonder what SC thinks about that?

[Jailbird]

They tell me there's more than one club in the Hills league that does not buy their jumpers from the licensed supplier.
I wonder how that supplier feels about paying out money to the league and some clubs don't even purchase from him? Maybe he doesn't know!

CD, Are you talking jumpers of the preferred suppliers or you talking the licenced supplied for the Hills? The Hills only have an agreement for shorts and socks not jumpers. They make jumpers but it is not part of the agreement.

JB, it must have changed then, when originally set up it was for ALL playing apparel and only the licensee,SC could reproduce the HFL logo onto playing apparel.

When did this change, do you know?

Sounds like it could now be "open slather" between the big 6 or isn't the HFL pushing the CFL barrow?
I wonder what SC thinks about that?

Not too sure on the agreement or any changes, but know of a few clubs that have had jumpers produced by other suppliers recently (last couple of years), not to say that this could change but I get the feeling the CFB is not in the good books with the HFL ATM.

[aceman]

Not too sure on the agreement or any changes, but know of a few clubs that have had jumpers produced by other suppliers recently (last couple of years), not to say that this could change but I get the feeling the CFB is not in the good books with the HFL ATM.


I have a similar feeling that many leagues are starting to 'read between the lines' and coming up with a lot more than blank spaces or amendments written with "invisible ink"

[Clever Dick]

Where's Howard?

Come out of that closet mate, we need to keep this pot boiling even if it is only between you, me and Aceman.
I'm sure we'll get a few others involved especially after this weeks CFB meeting when details on the past 2 months happenings within various leagues are reported back and will mostly be in a 'negative status.'
BTW, how can they stay abreast of issues when they only meet every 2 months?
Surely the 'top end' guys don't make unilateral decisions in the interim if or when it suits them?

[Howard]

Am still here CD, but really not sure we can get much more out of our debate - considering you guys are dead set against the CFB and I'm not going to sway you in your opinion.

The only reason I started getting involved was that I thought their were a fair few distorted comments about the CFB so I was just looking for some balance in the argument.

Besides that, it does seem like I'm the only one batting for my point of view, which doesn't make you right by the way! I just don't think anyone else is that "fired up" over the topic.