HFL Division 1 (Central)

[The Devils Own]

rumour has it that coleman is off to coach at happy valley next year which is where he played - they are certainly chasing him hard

Interesting...Starting a rumor or a rumor heard? If so from whom?? Otherwise carries next to no weight... Would think he's the type of bloke that would wait until the end of their finals campaign before having that conversation, considering the prelim is further than most HFL followers would have predicted them to progress to not too many rounds ago... but I may be wrong

[rock]

rumour has it that coleman is off to coach at happy valley next year which is where he played - they are certainly chasing him hard

Interesting...Starting a rumor or a rumor heard? If so from whom?? Otherwise carries next to no weight... Would think he's the type of bloke that would wait until the end of their finals campaign before having that conversation, considering the prelim is further than most HFL followers would have predicted them to progress to not too many rounds ago... but I may be wrong

The rumour seems to be flowing into the ears of the SFL. Heard a few Vikings talking at last weeks finals that Coleman has been approached. He's a Happy Valley legend and they want him back. Interesting times ahead.

[Afterthesiren]

I was shown a copy of the new points system last night. Looks like it may pose some challenges for many clubs. Mass recruiting will be impossible under this system. Will definately push clubs to promote juniors.

[Clever Dick]

I was shown a copy of the new points system last night. Looks like it may pose some challenges for many clubs. Mass recruiting will be impossible under this system. Will definately push clubs to promote juniors.

That is exactly what it's designed to do.

[Vaughan]

V - are those 2 grades in the granny? If so, I'll keep my eye out on GF day for the infamous cap.
Panther - totally agree. Undefeated is an awesome effort, a downside being that there's a fair chance that chinks in the armour haven't been exposed as yet, and they could be on GF day and that could be too late to rectify them.
I think Uris AND the devs have the engine rooms to challenge the Roos but Lofty fall away in the scoring dept. If it's boggy this Saturday, Lofty can beat Uris.
Any truth to C Gowans possibly heading up the hill next year?

hi jq
lets not jump the damn gun just yet, we are in the preliminary play offs and i hoping like no tomorrow that both sides can get the required result.
in this case previously mentioned cap will be worn on the day.
V.

[Justquietly]

C Gowans - know there has been talkthe last couple of years linking them to Lobethal!! would be handy inclusions in any side. There annoying enough watching them on TV little alone playing against them in a country league.

Ah, that would be the aufderheide connection I reckon?

DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Thanks for the input, knob jockey. Guess we're not all experts like you. Got anything of value with your eigth post?

[Confucius]

I was shown a copy of the new points system last night. Looks like it may pose some challenges for many clubs. Mass recruiting will be impossible under this system. Will definately push clubs to promote juniors.

Can you elaborate on the proposed changes to the system ATS?

[dangermouse]

Re Coleman- Happy Valley would be crazy not to have contacted him- premiership coach in his first year and has now taken a very young, mostly local based side to a prelim.Being a former Viking would make him the perfect candidate for them if they are looking for a new coach. Just because they rang him doesn't mean he has engaged in the converstaion or even entertained the idea. Hence it makes no difference to the playing group and what the club wants to achieve in 2010.

[Mop Up]

Heard he was at the Crafers on Saturday night with the Mt Lofty boys?? or was that just a rumour

I'm pretty sure he's dating one of the Lofty boys sisters... or something like this...

I've heard they're off to TV from a couple of different people...

[Bat Pad]

Heard he was at the Crafers on Saturday night with the Mt Lofty boys?? or was that just a rumour

I'm pretty sure he's dating one of the Lofty boys sisters... or something like this...

I've heard they're off to TV from a couple of different people...

With the new points system they wouldn't be able to fit them in. They will be almost over with the side they have now based on what I have been told regarding the new points system.

[flanker]

Heard he was at the Crafers on Saturday night with the Mt Lofty boys?? or was that just a rumour

I'm pretty sure he's dating one of the Lofty boys sisters... or something like this...

I've heard they're off to TV from a couple of different people...

Along with Brendan Fevola....

[Afterthesiren]

I was shown a copy of the new points system last night. Looks like it may pose some challenges for many clubs. Mass recruiting will be impossible under this system. Will definately push clubs to promote juniors.

Can you elaborate on the proposed changes to the system ATS?

I don't have a copy with me as it was shown to me last night. As I remember the top 3 teams will get 10 points, middle 4 teams 12 points and bottom 3 teams 15 points. All locals are now worth zero points and playing a colt is minus 1 point. With recruiting depending on which league a player comes from they will be worth either 3 or 2 points. SANFL players worth 4 points I think and AFL worth 5 points. Don't quote me exactly but I think this is pretty close, I'll clarify it with our club official when I see him again tonight.

[Justquietly]

Great work, ATS. But these seem really low. Depending on the league a player is imported from, your A grade at one of the top 3 teams could only have possibly 3 imports. I TOTALLY understand the reasoning behind this but we can't deny the benefits that some imports have brought to many clubs ie gate takings, lifting the quality of football etc. I don't know about that 'minus' point rationale, you could have a young bloke missing his colts game to sit on the bench in A grade while an ex-SANFL player and 2 imports are running around on the field, due to that minus point. Also, do you know what constitutes an import in 2011? Is it something like "a player who's been at the club for 4 seasons"? Otherwise just about every Central club could be stretched!

[Afterthesiren]

Great work, ATS. But these seem really low. Depending on the league a player is imported from, your A grade at one of the top 3 teams could only have possibly 3 imports. I TOTALLY understand the reasoning behind this but we can't deny the benefits that some imports have brought to many clubs ie gate takings, lifting the quality of football etc. I don't know about that 'minus' point rationale, you could have a young bloke missing his colts game to sit on the bench in A grade while an ex-SANFL player and 2 imports are running around on the field, due to that minus point. Also, do you know what constitutes an import in 2011? Is it something like "a player who's been at the club for 4 seasons"? Otherwise just about every Central club could be stretched!

Your spot on JQ. The number of points isn't great and with clubs already holding a number of players with 2 or 3 points next to their names will mean the club itself may only be able to recruit 2 or 3 quality players. As with what constitutes an import, I believe if a club for example picked up an SANFL player this year who attracts 4 points under the new system, then next year they will reduce a point to (3) points. Likewise with a player from the SFL or GSFL, they come as 3 points under the new system and reduce by a point a year at a time. Your right I think you'll find every club will be stretched, smart recruiting will need to be conducted.

[Banker]

I don't have a copy with me as it was shown to me last night. As I remember the top 3 teams will get 10 points, middle 4 teams 12 points and bottom 3 teams 15 points. All locals are now worth zero points and playing a colt is minus 1 point. With recruiting depending on which league a player comes from they will be worth either 3 or 2 points. SANFL players worth 4 points I think and AFL worth 5 points. Don't quote me exactly but I think this is pretty close, I'll clarify it with our club official when I see him again tonight.

So its the pretty much the same system, just that maximum points will be handicapped.
Why not just keep the current system (35 points max to everyone) and handicap it from there. Then give Juniors 0 points. Or is the HFL trying to mirror another associations system?

Is it based on the ladder or finals? Eg Would Blackwood get more points than Lofty next year?

[Afterthesiren]

I don't have a copy with me as it was shown to me last night. As I remember the top 3 teams will get 10 points, middle 4 teams 12 points and bottom 3 teams 15 points. All locals are now worth zero points and playing a colt is minus 1 point. With recruiting depending on which league a player comes from they will be worth either 3 or 2 points. SANFL players worth 4 points I think and AFL worth 5 points. Don't quote me exactly but I think this is pretty close, I'll clarify it with our club official when I see him again tonight.

So its the pretty much the same system, just that maximum points will be handicapped.
Why not just keep the current system (35 points max to everyone) and handicap it from there. Then give Juniors 0 points. Or is the HFL trying to mirror another associations system?

Is it based on the ladder or finals? Eg Would Blackwood get more points than Lofty next year?

Its a similar system Banker but not quite the same. From what I'm told this system is coming from the Community Football Board and every League across the State and I think the Country will be using it. Not sure if its based on the ladder after finals or the minor round ladder. I would assume the ladder after finals are completed. Perhaps someone from Blackwood or Lofty can explain this as they will be the ones affected.

[Confucius]

I was shown a copy of the new points system last night. Looks like it may pose some challenges for many clubs. Mass recruiting will be impossible under this system. Will definately push clubs to promote juniors.

Can you elaborate on the proposed changes to the system ATS?

I don't have a copy with me as it was shown to me last night. As I remember the top 3 teams will get 10 points, middle 4 teams 12 points and bottom 3 teams 15 points. All locals are now worth zero points and playing a colt is minus 1 point. With recruiting depending on which league a player comes from they will be worth either 3 or 2 points. SANFL players worth 4 points I think and AFL worth 5 points. Don't quote me exactly but I think this is pretty close, I'll clarify it with our club official when I see him again tonight.

Thanks ATS - this seems like a great improvement to me!

[pushing forward]

Heard he was at the Crafers on Saturday night with the Mt Lofty boys?? or was that just a rumour

I'm pretty sure he's dating one of the Lofty boys sisters... or something like this...

I've heard they're off to TV from a couple of different people...

With the new points system they wouldn't be able to fit them in. They will be almost over with the side they have now based on what I have been told regarding the new points system.

I would assume that TV would be allocated 15 points next year. I belive that they currently have 8 players who carry extra points, keep them all and they all drop 1 point then Gary Hughes has his 8 points required to offer the world to 2 SANFL players! Add that i would be guessing that Mark Clayton will be hanging up the boots then he may have a couple more up his sleave

[Justquietly]

I think some of TV's points will be hanging on exactly what constitutes a local player.
Does anyone know where the finals are this Saturday?

[The Panther]

This points system is up and running in several leagues already. Obviously aimed at reducing recruiting dramatically.
My observations of what it has done in other leagues are :

1. Player payments are increasing not decreasing as clubs pay large amounts to secure the best possible players, as they can only recruit a handful of new players each year.

2. Existing recruits are demanding ( sometimes extreme ) pay increases each year because they know they have the clubs over a barrel, as each year they decrease in points.

3. The sytem is not evening up the competitions but having a reverse effect as the larger clubs with a greater population and junior base are getting further ahead.
Just think clubs like Blackwood , Lofty and Barker how many genuine A grade players will come through their junior ranks compared to say Lobethal and Uraidla.
The country Div is worse as it is common knowledge some clubs in country div need to recruit several players just to get 42 on the ground each week.
The smaller populated clubs need to recruit sometimes heavily to be competitve.

I normally get annoyed when someone complains on here without offering an alternative, but i am not sure how to address the issue of recruiting and the enormous amounts of cash being splashed around at the moment in country football.

What i do know is that this system will create a greater gulf between the haves and have nots.