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[OnSong]

This is how they are taught to go about things, Jack brags about it

Every night after school as many as 60 kids play what Jack Johncock calls rough and ready on the Mallee Park Oval. There is one football, no teams, no rules and the objective for the five-year-olds is not to get bashed.
So they learn how to dodge their 59 opponents. The eight-year-olds work on quick disposals before they're tackled, and the 12-year-olds do all of the above, plus kick the goals. But then they, too, get bruised when they train with the A-grade side twice a week.

Then on Saturdays those five-year-olds play against kids twice their age, and by the time they turn 12 they have played 100 games.

According to Johncock, it is why this amazing club at Port Lincoln on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula has produced so many champions

[daicos]

More great coverage the MPFC have provided for the PLFL, we would be looked on as a great League to join

ANGRY football umpires at Port Lincoln are threatening to strike next season after being targeted by abusive fans at the city's grand final.
Port Lincoln Football League whistleblowers blamed booze-fuelled crowd members for "ridiculous" abuse. One of the grand final umpires has even quit after his wife was targeted by a spectator who hurled a glass alcohol bottle after the premiership decider.

Tension continued into the night and police made eight arrests and reported windows being smashed at up to six local businesses.

The umpires have demanded the Eyre Peninsula league crack down on wild fans, and said the grand final turmoil was the culmination of a growing anti-umpire culture.

"It's got to the stage where we've had enough," regional umpiring manager Michael Hegarty said.

"Barrack and be funny, by all means, but we're sick of being abused. People can't just pay their $5, go along and abuse hell out of the umpires – but that's the culture."

The decider between Waybacks and Mallee Park last month reached flashpoint when alcohol-fuelled spectators berated umpires for perceived one-sided calls.

Some supporters of famed Aboriginal team Mallee Park, which has produced stars including Adelaide's Graham Johncock and Port Adelaide brothers Peter and Shaun Burgoyne, believed umpires were biased against the Peckers.

Mallee Park player Jason Burgoyne was suspended for two matches for striking an opponent and three more for using abusive language towards an umpire.

Burgoyne had been yellow-carded and later branded umpires "cheats", Mr Hegarty said.

Field umpire Todd George was leaving Port Lincoln's Centenary Oval after the grand final when his wife, Marianne Allen, had a 750ml glass bottle thrown at her.

It missed, but Mr George said the incident had ended his passion for umpiring at country level.

"It may be that come March I'll decide to do it but at the moment I'm definitely against it," Mr George said.

"We can take most things but when it involves your family – your wife and your kids – it's just not worth it. My lad used to come along to the footy in the afternoon with me and I just can't take him any more. He doesn't need to see and hear that stuff thrown at his dad."

Umpires' co-ordinator Jim Papazoglov will present a list of demands to league officials at a meeting on October 21.

Moves include:

A CRACKDOWN on patrons smuggling alcohol into grounds.

EMPOWERING club stewards to approach and calm troublemakers in their supporter base.

CONSIDERATION of a program where under-17s players umpire under-13s games to generate understanding of the role.

"If there's no sign they want to implement them, they'd better find some other umpires," Mr Papazoglov said. "If it doesn't happen we will withdraw our services for the first five rounds next year. If still nothing is done we'll go to 10 games."



The hardline response has won the support of the elite AFL Umpires Association. Chief executive Bill Deller even stepped up the debate by calling for a total ban on alcohol consumption during games to limit verbal and physical violence.

"It's up to the league to provide a safe workplace – and I don't know how many workplaces condone the drinking of alcohol to excess that results in violence," Mr Deller said.



Mr Hegarty said violent clashes made recruiting and retaining umpires "impossible".

"We lost six or seven umpires from the previous year because of abuse, and I dare say we'll lose a few this year too," he said.

State umpiring manager Shane Harris said 2300 umpires were registered in country and metropolitan leagues across SA, but numbers were dropping. "Just this year I've had four or five incidents come across my desk of violence or threats that are alarming," he said.

Port Lincoln police drafted in seven extra officers to patrol the league's grand final and after-parties.

I was disgusted after that 08 grand final. Where did this appear? website or paper?

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This is how they are taught to go about things, Jack brags about it

Every night after school as many as 60 kids play what Jack Johncock calls rough and ready on the Mallee Park Oval. There is one football, no teams, no rules and the objective for the five-year-olds is not to get bashed.
So they learn how to dodge their 59 opponents. The eight-year-olds work on quick disposals before they're tackled, and the 12-year-olds do all of the above, plus kick the goals. But then they, too, get bruised when they train with the A-grade side twice a week.

Then on Saturdays those five-year-olds play against kids twice their age, and by the time they turn 12 they have played 100 games.

Misplacement of birth certificates also helps.

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"It's up to the league to provide a safe workplace – and I don't know how many workplaces condone the drinking of alcohol to excess that results in violence," Mr Deller said.

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So who's job is it to go up to Anzac Walker, Namos, Billyo, Hippy and Eddie Betts and co and tell them that they have had enough to drink?

Charge $10 to get in and have security gaurds?

[daicos]

Going on my hospitality experience it is the responsibility of the licence holder to adhere to the responsible service of alcahol. All clubs are listed with 'good sports' are they not?

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Going on my hospitality experience it is the responsibility of the licence holder to adhere to the responsible service of alcahol. All clubs are listed with 'good sports' are they not?

What a load of carp! So next time they play bostons at poole if they all if they all bring drink in the ground via there car boots end up hammered then start a riot then bostons are held accountable for non 'R.S.A.' and have to face the law?

[daicos]

If the whole oval is licenced then it is the responsability of Bostons as to who consumes alcahol and to what degree within that licenced area and yes they would have to face the consequences. I think I would know more about it than you son

[Media Park]

Example of the Liquor licensing rules, and how they actually apply to local football (also another swipe at the PLFL):

Last year, Lincoln South v Mallee Park at Centenary Oval, there was a horrendously intoxicated MPFC supporter, who, was at the point where he was mouthing off to complete strangers (bad, but not uncommon), throwing rocks at changerooms and gatekeepers box (not acceptable, but not a first), and exposing himself in front of a group of girls, who were approximately 10 years of age (I may be alone in this, but that is something I morally do not accept under any circumstance).

The responsibility lies firstly with the Lincoln South Football Club, as it is their license on that day, and presumably their bar staff who served him (in this case he actually had 'smuggled' a litre of smirnoff into the ground).

The second responsibility is of the Mallee Park Football Club, as they have a steward (presumably JB or JJ) who is responsible for the behaviour and actions of, among others, their spectators, and the steward should have ejected him before he got to such a point.

That is the total responsibility, and where it LEGALLY stops.

With no person who was actually liable prepared to take any action, for fear of being called a racist, or fear of being ganged up on by the person's friends, it was Media Park who ejected him, and copped a headbutt for his trouble...

I could go further, and rant about the "Family Conference" that the offender went to, and the punishment he did not receive, but that is not what this discussion is about...

What this discussion is about is: You try and put the onus on a small number of people to police what we all know is a large problem, and you'd better be putting that responsibility on someone with pretty big 'cajones.'

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Well done media park for having the balls to remove the intoxicated person. As a PLFL representative I hope the PLFL backed you up and criminal charges were bought against the perportraitor. This is the first I have heard of this. how long is this list of indisgressions FFS ?

How can a club hosting a game at a Nuetral venue be responsible for a guy at the other end of the ground drinking straight vodka ?

[Media Park]

Well done media park for having the balls to remove the intoxicated person. As a PLFL representative I hope the PLFL backed you up and criminal charges were bought against the perportraitor. This is the first I have heard of this. how long is this list of indisgressions FFS ?

How can a club hosting a game at a Nuetral venue be responsible for a guy at the other end of the ground drinking straight vodka ?

The host club has the liquor license. If they ask an intoxicated person to leave, and that person doesn't, they can call the police, but they can't just take the attitude that "there from another club, it is their club's problem" because of the massiveness of the fines...

No support until after the issue OL... which is something I have now gotten used to...

The 'indiscretions' list is long- amazingly long.

[bantamweight]

mp u reely effen talk urslef up dont u

tigers are weak we gona smash em nex time

[Boston Prodigy]

Bostons wont be stopping with their protest thats for sure, they are currently looking at options out side of the box and something will happen one way or the other.

[Media Park]

mp u reely effen talk urslef up dont u

tigers are weak we gona smash em nex time

Bantam, I haven't pulled these out for a while... blow the dust off, stretch up, and....



BAM!

Bostons wont be stopping with their protest thats for sure, they are currently looking at options out side of the box and something will happen one way or the other.

I heard a whisper about Wednesday night's hearing.. BP can you PM me if you know who is going for Bostons? I nearly died with laughter when I was told, but I think I might be getting my leg pulled.

[tiger07andbeyond]

You are not getting your leg pulled MP, he is going

[Dermie]

If the whole oval is licenced then it is the responsability of Bostons as to who consumes alcahol and to what degree within that licenced area and yes they would have to face the consequences. I think I would know more about it than you son

Having not long ago done the RSA course and passed this topic was brought up at the meeting and i think you will find that seeing the league takes the gate money they are responsible (no matter whos ground it is) to check cars that NO alcohol is brought through the gates, but once inside it then becomes the problem of the licence holder at that venue to deal with, either ask to leave, call police etc. So by not being checked at the gates it really puts a big ownus on the licence holder which can then create another problem multiplyed.

[Media Park]

If the whole oval is licenced then it is the responsability of Bostons as to who consumes alcahol and to what degree within that licenced area and yes they would have to face the consequences. I think I would know more about it than you son

Having not long ago done the RSA course and passed this topic was brought up at the meeting and i think you will find that seeing the league takes the gate money they are responsible (no matter whos ground it is) to check cars that NO alcohol is brought through the gates, but once inside it then becomes the problem of the licence holder at that venue to deal with, either ask to leave, call police etc. So by not being checked at the gates it really puts a big ownus on the licence holder which can then create another problem multiplyed.

That's where the "executive" fall back on that immortal line, "the six clubs are the League."

That means: If the PLFL gets fined, then it is the fault of one of the six clubs, and the fine would be payed by the PLFL (whose money is the clubs anyway).

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There is no way you can control drinks coming into the ground let alone get a club official to go up and ask another supporter to leave the ground. Imagine the uproar if Mark Milton went up to Jungles and said you have had enough beer and its time to leave or imagine Ian Schmidt going up to Billyo while he was with 10 mates and asking him to leave.
Put security on the gates and check every car and frisk people as they come in or get them to walk through a metal detectors, it is still so easy to jump the fence or pass drinks over the fence. If these people want to get drinks into the ground they will.

Imaging that red haired loud mouth bald headed fella that works in the bar at mallee park enforcing RSA rules He is to busy calling the umps effen maggots

There is no easy fix to this Mr Dellar. Providing a safe work place is not that easy. Do any other of you have any suggestions on how we can fix this problem or make it better?

[tiger08]

mp u reely effen talk urslef up dont u

tigers are weak we gona smash em nex time

you done it once, can't see why you wont do it again, that's why we want change from bozo's like you

[Media Park]

mp u reely effen talk urslef up dont u

tigers are weak we gona smash em nex time

you done it once, can't see why you wont do it again, that's why we want change from bozo's like you

Ignore him T08...

Fairly sure he's just one of the bored regular posters who's trying to spice things up...

[Boston Prodigy]

that red haired loud mouth bald headed fella ?

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