Relegation in the HFL

[the big fella]

"Mop up..slight exageration I'm assuming"


Balance sheets at AGMs are not usually wrong!!!

[devilsadvocate]

"Mop up..slight exageration I'm assuming"


Balance sheets at AGMs are not usually wrong!!!

That's what the investors of Enron, OneTel, HIH, Northern Rock, Ansett and Madoff's schemes all thought.

[Mop Up]

180k though?

Where on earth do they find that kind of moolah?

And what on earth is it doing sitting in a bank account...

[can't beat the facts]

I think you will find that the HFL meeting held this week has to be re convened because it was convened incorrectly(not as a special general meeting as per HFL constitution)

[Afterthesiren]

Well its confirmed - my source has advised me that at least two clubs from Country Div will seriously consider a move to the SFL if the HFL buckles to the pressure of TV & Birdwood for an 11 team competition. This may be the last year we see the competition as we know it. Its absolute madness the stubbornness of one club can change the face of the league... and for the worse I might add.

[Gervais]

Well its confirmed - my source has advised me that at least two clubs from Country Div will seriously consider a move to the SFL if the HFL buckles to the pressure of TV & Birdwood for an 11 team competition. This may be the last year we see the competition as we know it. Its absolute madness the stubbornness of one club can change the face of the league... and for the worse I might add.

Settle petal......the Clubs will not vote for an 11 team competition. This was very evident on Monday night. Not one club spoke in support of Birdwood and Lobethal. It will be a 10 team Central comp in 2011.

[Afterthesiren]

Well its confirmed - my source has advised me that at least two clubs from Country Div will seriously consider a move to the SFL if the HFL buckles to the pressure of TV & Birdwood for an 11 team competition. This may be the last year we see the competition as we know it. Its absolute madness the stubbornness of one club can change the face of the league... and for the worse I might add.

Settle petal......the Clubs will not vote for an 11 team competition. This was very evident on Monday night. Not one club spoke in support of Birdwood and Lobethal. It will be a 10 team Central comp in 2011.

I see where you are coming from Gervais, I guess several clubs are preparing for what may be an unfavourable decision. It disappoints me that the league hasn't got the balls to tell Lobey and Birdwood how it is.

[The Gimp]

Well its confirmed - my source has advised me that at least two clubs from Country Div will seriously consider a move to the SFL if the HFL buckles to the pressure of TV & Birdwood for an 11 team competition. This may be the last year we see the competition as we know it. Its absolute madness the stubbornness of one club can change the face of the league... and for the worse I might add.

Dry your eyes princess!

[Amateur Footy]

A program for an 11 team central div has been drawn up for consideration at the next meeting. I guess so we can see all the options. It has a 20 week season with 18 games and two byes for each club. That leaves no weeks off for association and each club will play two other clubs only once. If Birdwood can argue that the HFL Constitution can't force them into Country we may have nothing to vote on at all.

From my point of view I don't particularly want 11 teams in central but I don't think that's the big issue. If I was in Country Div where they will lose a strong club with nothing in return and the possibility of losing Callington to C grade, I would be very concerned. It is not a good sign for the future of Country - even if the HFL constitution is changed to force a club down in 2012.

What are the thoughts of Country Div forum posters?

[Gervais]

A program for an 11 team central div has been drawn up for consideration at the next meeting. I guess so we can see all the options. It has a 20 week season with 18 games and two byes for each club. That leaves no weeks off for association and each club will play two other clubs only once. If Birdwood can argue that the HFL Constitution can't force them into Country we may have nothing to vote on at all.

From my point of view I don't particularly want 11 teams in central but I don't think that's the big issue. If I was in Country Div where they will lose a strong club with nothing in return and the possibility of losing Callington to C grade, I would be very concerned. It is not a good sign for the future of Country - even if the HFL constitution is changed to force a club down in 2012.

What are the thoughts of Country Div forum posters?

You're missing the point. The by-law 18.1.3 as it currently stands says that there cannot be more than 10 Clubs in Central Division. Therefore, if there's no vote, it will not change.

If the by-law is not changed, then the HFL Board will nominate what 10 teams play in Central, and what 10 teams play in Country. This is then voted on by the 20 Clubs.

The HFL Board have indicated that they will nominate the teams based on the promotion and relegation system by-laws 18.2. That is, if Birdwood finish bottom of the relegation points ladder then they will be listed in Country.

[Amateur Footy]

A program for an 11 team central div has been drawn up for consideration at the next meeting. I guess so we can see all the options. It has a 20 week season with 18 games and two byes for each club. That leaves no weeks off for association and each club will play two other clubs only once. If Birdwood can argue that the HFL Constitution can't force them into Country we may have nothing to vote on at all.

From my point of view I don't particularly want 11 teams in central but I don't think that's the big issue. If I was in Country Div where they will lose a strong club with nothing in return and the possibility of losing Callington to C grade, I would be very concerned. It is not a good sign for the future of Country - even if the HFL constitution is changed to force a club down in 2012.

What are the thoughts of Country Div forum posters?

You're missing the point. The by-law 18.1.3 as it currently stands says that there cannot be more than 10 Clubs in Central Division. Therefore, if there's no vote, it will not change.

If the by-law is not changed, then the HFL Board will nominate what 10 teams play in Central, and what 10 teams play in Country. This is then voted on by the 20 Clubs.

The HFL Board have indicated that they will nominate the teams based on the promotion and relegation system by-laws 18.2. That is, if Birdwood finish bottom of the relegation points ladder then they will be listed in Country.

No they haven't. I was at the last meeting and they have not provided any guidance as to what is going to happen now that the constitution has been challenged. Why would an 11 team draw be drawn up? Owen is unfortunately now considering the 11 team concept. TV will be in Central next year - I believe all clubs accept that. What is not clear is whether or not a club goes down.

And I don't think I'm missing the point - This is more about Country Div than Central IMO.

[has been]

Don't take it for granted TV will be in central. It is not a given. If BW or Lobey refuse to godown and 10 teams is maintained - no TV. The clubs will vote on that- simple

What an absolute shamozelle thishas become. Time for a new board - may be need to vote on that. Such a shame for the best comp outside Amatuers.

Also don't be surprised to see Meadows and Kangy looking at SFL. We may in fact lose more clubs - the colatoral damage from this is quite scary. Simple solution is to relegate the worst A grade teamin central - proven over a long period of 3 years.

[Esteban Vihaio]

Don't take it for granted TV will be in central. It is not a given. If BW or Lobey refuse to godown and 10 teams is maintained - no TV. The clubs will vote on that- simple

What an absolute shamozelle thishas become. Time for a new board - may be need to vote on that. Such a shame for the best comp outside Amatuers.

Also don't be surprised to see Meadows and Kangy looking at SFL. We may in fact lose more clubs - the colatoral damage from this is quite scary. Simple solution is to relegate the worst A grade teamin central - proven over a long period of 3 years.

I think you should only be looking at last years performance. By your reckoning, a side that is improving, moving from 10th, to 9th, then to 8th in three years would get relegated, even though they are on the improve.

[FlyingHigh]

Don't take it for granted TV will be in central. It is not a given. If BW or Lobey refuse to godown and 10 teams is maintained - no TV. The clubs will vote on that- simple

What an absolute shamozelle thishas become. Time for a new board - may be need to vote on that. Such a shame for the best comp outside Amatuers.

Also don't be surprised to see Meadows and Kangy looking at SFL. We may in fact lose more clubs - the colatoral damage from this is quite scary. Simple solution is to relegate the worst A grade teamin central - proven over a long period of 3 years.

I think you should only be looking at last years performance. By your reckoning, a side that is improving, moving from 10th, to 9th, then to 8th in three years would get relegated, even though they are on the improve.

On fairness and equity, I reckon Birdwood deserve another chance - had a tough initiation, then improved, perhaps stalled this year, so probably deserve one more year to rectify it. Compare this to established Central clubs - for Lobey to let themselves as a club slip like they have, and Bridgewater not having made the finals for how many years, they should be the ones in the gun.

But let's face it - the only reason this is an issue is because of one man's money. If the club spent money like the other Country clubs, they would probably be fighting it out for fifth in that competition.

[the wonder elephant]

birdwood over onkas today in the a grade so some more points there for them

[Afterthesiren]

birdwood over onkas today in the a grade so some more points there for them

Big upset... good to see they are responding to the possibility of relegation. Depending on what happened in the junior colts there could be just one point seperating Lobethal and Birdwood. Remebering Lobethal get nothing for the draw in the B grade as it states in the constitution - points for a 'win only'.

[kickittome]

Don't take it for granted TV will be in central. It is not a given. If BW or Lobey refuse to godown and 10 teams is maintained - no TV. The clubs will vote on that- simple

What an absolute shamozelle thishas become. Time for a new board - may be need to vote on that. Such a shame for the best comp outside Amatuers.

Also don't be surprised to see Meadows and Kangy looking at SFL. We may in fact lose more clubs - the colatoral damage from this is quite scary. Simple solution is to relegate the worst A grade teamin central - proven over a long period of 3 years.

Country league the best comp out of amateurs you have got to be kidding. Great southern and southern would towel your league up. Would even say some of there reserve teams would give some of your a grade a run for there money.

[Afterthesiren]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[aceman]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

It appears to me from the outside there is plenty to fix. Internal squabbling, unsure of how many teams in Div etc. etc.
Said it before, say it again, go to the promotion/relegation system, 1 team up, 1 team down for a start and there's no argument, all clubs are in the same boat and same rules apply to all clubs and nominations to go up as TV no longer exist, promo/relegation based on A team performance.
It works,and everyone knows how it works so why not try it!

[Banker]

That wont work because most clubs in Country div do not want to play Central Div. Eg Meadows and Kersbrook who were asked to come up in recent years