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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby LuvsFooty » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:42 pm

Mop Up wrote:
LuvsFooty wrote:
Tanka wrote:
Amateur Footy wrote:Don't make assumptions boys. IB don't have the finances of a few other clubs remember. These boys have been spoken to in prior seasons and know a few blokes at the club. I believe they are tired off the lack of commitment at Goolwa, particularly on the track and this season looked no different with a coach almost quitting. Impressed to see we had 35 blokes on the track on a Tuesday night and they are top blokes from what I saw last night.

I for one hate the $$$ in football, but it's amazing it even gets brought up now when it's widespread. Also don't forget we lost our best player 2 weeks before season started for $$$ reasons, so we can't sit back and do nothing.


Also freed up $$ to then committ to Yeomans demands??


If IB dont have the finances that some other clubs have they may need to do some solid fundraising. Without knowing the full details I am sure that the "new" players will need to have their contracts paid out to their previous club (as per Ben Yeomans' situation in 2009 with South Adelaide). That wont be a cheap exercise. Clause 2 of the Community Football Contract states that no player shall apply for a clearance while under their agreement.


Those contracts aren't worth the paper their written on LF. To be honest I dont really understand why theyre signed full stop.

Many a time our footy club has had players "under contract" sign with other clubs and there is not a thing you can do about it


Accoding to the Community Football Board (as per the beginning of the 2010 season), they have indicated that the contracts they have made available are legally binding documents. The boys going to IB would have a bit of an understanding of contactual law after recent experiences. Many people are stating that this "happens in country footy" and "footy is a cut throat business" therefore I think people will understand that we will be most likely pretty firm on this issue
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Mop Up » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:48 pm

Well as said before the Chief had a contract signed at IB and it meant nothing when he decided to leave. We didn't have a foot to stand on.

I think the board is kidding themselves if they think these contracts could be legally binding.

To be honest I completely agree with you, its a stupid situation, if a contract is signed it should be binding for the year, but sadly these things dont seem to be worth a dime.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby FairDinkum » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:04 pm

My first post so I thought this looks like an interesting topic.
The system of relegation looks tough although I can see TV's agenda for a Premiership in Central to top off what has been a Phoenix rising from the Ashes, thanks to Gary.
Also tough for the Club going down if it is on the clubs on field performance overall.
For example they could have or currently be providing AFL players, several league and reserve players and junior players at underage level (U16 &U18) to town developed from their community and by their club, but as a result their best is in town and the club struggles. Another club does none of that, keeps their best and recruits and the other Club with what looks like a great program for kids to develop to their best potential is punished.
Can't wait to see how this pans out.
And by the way if I was Ironbank I'd be chasing whoever I could too. That's whay the system has given us.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Tanka » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:33 pm

FairDinkum wrote:My first post so I thought this looks like an interesting topic.
The system of relegation looks tough although I can see TV's agenda for a Premiership in Central to top off what has been a Phoenix rising from the Ashes, thanks to Gary.
Also tough for the Club going down if it is on the clubs on field performance overall.
For example they could have or currently be providing AFL players, several league and reserve players and junior players at underage level (U16 &U18) to town developed from their community and by their club, but as a result their best is in town and the club struggles. Another club does none of that, keeps their best and recruits and the other Club with what looks like a great program for kids to develop to their best potential is punished.
Can't wait to see how this pans out.
And by the way if I was Ironbank I'd be chasing whoever I could too. That's whay the system has given us.


Further to that clubs own locals do not get a shot in the As and are also then forced out of the Bs due to a large influx of players from outside the community ie TV - not sure we should be promoting this kind of culture at the expense of other clubs.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Mop Up » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:38 pm

Mop Up wrote:I know in many other sports such as State League netball it is over a 3 yr period on which teams are judged.

It would seem that this has thrown away any chance of a team "rebuilding" with their own home grown youth and replaced it with getting as many paid players in as possible to ensure their club stays in Div 1.

Thought the points system was designed to encourage clubs to play local players yet this relegation on 1 yrs performance negates this


Spot on Tanka, my point exactly
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby the big fella » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:48 pm

re relegation/promotion..

details in last weeks budget ie final siren..Big O is saying the HFL constitution says it is to be 10teams/10 teams central/county div.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Afterthesiren » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:50 pm

Mop Up wrote:Well as said before the Chief had a contract signed at IB and it meant nothing when he decided to leave. We didn't have a foot to stand on.

I think the board is kidding themselves if they think these contracts could be legally binding.

To be honest I completely agree with you, its a stupid situation, if a contract is signed it should be binding for the year, but sadly these things dont seem to be worth a dime.


As much as we hate to lose players these so called 'contracts' are merely just 'agreements' between player and club. Ironbank found this out from the Mark Bradley experience but it had happened several times before that. Ironbank was unable to recover monies owed by Bradley due to the paperwork being just an 'agreement'. Ironbank however moved on.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Justquietly » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:26 pm

Well, it seems there's still confusion re the relegation situation. Fairdinkum's point is something I was thinking too ie a Central div club loses a few players to the SANFL/AFL and subsequently isn't as strong, but find themselves relegated. Another earlier point about a 3-year look at a club would be fairer IMHO. Let teams know: "righto, in the next 3 years all central (and country) clubs are under scrutiny in regards to - club shield, amenities, financial status, players lost to SANFL etc. We will make our decision as to who's relegated and who's promoted after that". At least EVERY team has a chance.
TV has had some solid few years but how many flags to show for it? Is that a measuring stick?
This seems so up in the air and has now unjustly put pressure on clubs in Central.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby supercoach » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:12 pm

I think the Bankers are doing the right thing. I know if they can get a couple of wins in the first half of the year they will be fine in the second half of the year when they get 3-4 really good A graders back and available. They have 5 really good recruits from round 3 onwards who have all played at least ressies footy and most have played state at under 18 level and 2 are big boys. I hear the chief has struggled in his first 2 games over the border and has regrets. His problem as the IB boys are feeling confident despite 2 patchy first games. I would expect them to finish above at least 3 teams by years end.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Amateur Footy » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:21 pm

It was interesting in Saturday's Final Siren that Owen said "The decision facing the HFL board at the end of 2010 is which, if any, team should replace Torrens Valley in Country Division".

Does that statement not leave it open that a team may not go down? Contradicts what some have said about the 10/10 team comp in constitution. I assume the consitution was updated when we achieved a 10/10 comp if that is correct?
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Alaska » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:08 pm

Justquietly wrote:Well, it seems there's still confusion re the relegation situation. Fairdinkum's point is something I was thinking too ie a Central div club loses a few players to the SANFL/AFL and subsequently isn't as strong, but find themselves relegated. Another earlier point about a 3-year look at a club would be fairer IMHO. Let teams know: "righto, in the next 3 years all central (and country) clubs are under scrutiny in regards to - club shield, amenities, financial status, players lost to SANFL etc. We will make our decision as to who's relegated and who's promoted after that". At least EVERY team has a chance.
TV has had some solid few years but how many flags to show for it? Is that a measuring stick?
This seems so up in the air and has now unjustly put pressure on clubs in Central.


I will start this with I can only “make assumptions” as a lot needs to be ratified by the HFL. (Mods to agree) :D
JQ I think you have missed a season or so I will try to help with the history (although I thought u were still just across the square). TV have been very keen to move to Central for 2.5 years and while they have not won premierships have still shown they are the measuring stick when each Country Team play them. I have been amazed by the individual skills on show each time I have seen them they have brought to the Country division (notice the best player last week who is getting a game on the back flank, who has been interleague CHB playing for the Goats previously). However we both know to win a premiership requires a special bond. TV discovered the application before 30/6 rule too late last year so there application comes into effect for 2011.
The HFL has agreed (if they can satisfy all the “playing” requirements, top 2, all juniors grades etc.) they will be admitted to the Central league.

What has not been agreed I believe is what happens after accepting this. :?

Owen has stated he would like 10 in each league and I agree a lot easier to administrate but is that kosher? :shock:
I think we should encourage them to move up but watch out for the effects of relegation.
I suggest none of the other country clubs want to go up, or qualify.

I have been impressed with first Birdwood’s plan and also the application to that plan since they have come up. (Having watched their juniors for many years I was sure they would be successful in this division).
How do you rate success in a “Country Club”. I know what the purists would say premierships but the community support has to be paramount. The Premiership at any level is what is aspired to. However many clubs survive and thrive in fact without them for many years.

We need to give TV that chance and if it means a bye..........well we have had this before?

Having said all that I prefer the Birdwood model to what is happening at TV although it may just be a communication thing.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Vaughan » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:54 pm

tips for this week.
onka valley vs lobethal - onkas by 4 goals
birdwood vs bridgewater - a gutsy and determined bridgewater by 4 goals
mt lofty vs ironbank - ironbank in a thriller by a goal
mt barker vs hahndorf - as per my prediction last week...barker the premiership favs by 10 goals
uraidla vs blackwood - a modern day clash of the titans - uraidla by a point

seems the only clubs concerned with relegation are lofty and ironbank :lol:
its obvious that if it wasnt outlined before the start of the season no club will be unwillingly pushed into divvy 2.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby The Sorce » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:13 pm

Looks like some nice discussion on how the 2011 comps will line up. Just remember Torrens Valley Still need to finish Top 2 (A grade is a given), then across the board they have to be reasonalbly sucessful either top 3 or 5, but in previous years when teams have moved to the central div, across the board they have been pretty well top 3 in each grade.
Maybe who knows some of those teams at the bottom of the ladder (and some that have been there for a while) may want to look at becoming succesful again, on and off the field, Everyone knows the more you win the more the community wants to come and watch you and spend money with your club. If you go back over the years (many years) I would say a majority of clubs have been in a different divisions and been succesful at different levels, and realised when they are out of their depth!!!!!!
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby limb » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:25 pm

That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Bat Pad » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:31 pm

limb wrote:That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??


There were a few a Bridgy who wanted them to go down last year.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Vaughan » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:39 pm

Bat Pad wrote:
limb wrote:That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??


There were a few a Bridgy who wanted them to go down last year.


i will be deep in the cold cold ground before that happens.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby false » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:42 pm

Ah Vaughan, you get me everytime! :lol:

my tips...
Onkas vs Lobethal: Onkas by 8 goals
Birdwood vs Bridgewater - Birdwood by 6 goals
Mt Lofty vs Ironbank - Mt Lofty by 8 goals (they may have fallen a bit but not that much!)
Mt Barker vs Hahndorf - barkers by 5 goals
Uraidla vs Blackwood - Blackwood by a goal in what will be a cracker. Blackwood my premeirship faves.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby Rooster » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:43 pm

Vaughan wrote:
Bat Pad wrote:
limb wrote:That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??


There were a few a Bridgy who wanted them to go down last year.


i will be deep in the cold cold ground before that happens.
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geez you come up with some classics Vaughan.
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby HB_Flanker » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:58 pm

Vaughan wrote:
Bat Pad wrote:
limb wrote:That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??


There were a few a Bridgy who wanted them to go down last year.


i will be deep in the cold cold ground before that happens.
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You would be lucky to be a middle of the road side in Ciountry but at least you could win a couple of games
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Re: HFL Central Division

Postby toot toot » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:39 pm

Vaughan wrote:
Bat Pad wrote:
limb wrote:That's a good point.. Surely there are some people within some of the struggling central div clubs that could see the advantage of playing in the country div??


There were a few a Bridgy who wanted them to go down last year.


i will be deep in the cold cold ground before that happens.
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i'll start digging
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