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[tiger08]

Umpires will ultimately be responsible in deeming which offence player has committed and make the appropriate report, and yes this will be a contentious issue but is just the way it has to be. Possibly umpires would need some training in determining what falls in to each category.

SET PENATIES FOR PLEADING GUILTY

1st OFFENCE

Grade 1 Strike - Body punch, jumper punch to head resulting in minor injury, attempted strike to head - 2 games
Grade 2 Strike - Strike to head, serious jumper punch to head - 4 games
Grade 3 Strike - Blatant & callous strike to head regardless of injury - 6 games
Grade 1 Kick - Kick to body, attempted kick to head - 2 games
Grade 2 Kick - Blatant & callous Kick to head regardless of injury - 6 games

Other minor offences will fall in to first category of suspension ie deliberately treading on player, spitting etc.

The above are set penalties if the player opts to plead guilty, should he plead not guilty and yet be found guilty by the Tribunal an extra half the set penalty will be added to the base set penalty.

Example: 1st Offence - player pleads not guilty to strike to head but found guilty by tribunal he receives a set penalty of 4 games and a further 2 games making a total of 6 games suspension.

2nd OFFENCE - Penalty to double for second offence.

Example: 1St Offence - attempted strike pleaded guilty - set penalty Grade 1 Strike - Suspension 2 games
2nd Offence – strike to head pleaded guilty - set penalty Grade 2 Strike - Suspension 8 games

Subsequent offences – once a player has received an accumulated total suspension of 12 games, player is to be deregistered from league.

Some will no doubt say too harsh, however this model does give the fool that commits a blatant offence a second chance.

I cannot see why we have to put up with violence in sport, you cannot do this anywhere else without penalty and Miller is lucky he didn’t face criminal charges. People have died from lesser punches to the head and I don’t really want to wait until someone does die before a change in penalties is put in place.

An old cliché “Prevention is better than a cure”.

Feel free to comment in a positive constructive way, if no changes are ever discussed then no change will ever happen.

[Justquietly]

Jeez, Tiger08, could have put some thought into it
I like the approach, summing it all up - you could term them 'grades' eg grade 1 strike (1st offence, body punch etc), grade 2 strike (strike to head etc) and so on. Once the umpires are offay with it they can simply mark down in the book: No. 2 from X club reported for grade 1 strike of player 4 from X club. I like the accumulation of 12 games and you can take your sh#t elsewhere.

[sherrin22]

where does charging, or a high bump fit into this..
as accidental or malicious bumps are probably the most common report??

[tiger08]

Jeez, Tiger08, could have put some thought into it
I like the approach, summing it all up - you could term them 'grades' eg grade 1 strike (1st offence, body punch etc), grade 2 strike (strike to head etc) and so on. Once the umpires are offay with it they can simply mark down in the book: No. 2 from X club reported for grade 1 strike of player 4 from X club. I like the accumulation of 12 games and you can take your sh#t elsewhere.

JQ.... that tha man get the ball rolling which makes perfect sense

have edited initially post to reflect.

[bluestheboy]

SET PENATIES FOR PLEADING GUILTY

1st OFFENCE

Grade 1 Strike - Body punch, jumper punch to head resulting in minor injury, attempted strike to head - 2 games
Grade 2 Strike - Strike to head, serious jumper punch to head - 4 games
Grade 3 Strike - Blatant & callous strike to head regardless of injury - 6 games
Grade 1 Kick - Kick to body, attempted kick to head - 2 games 4 games
Grade 2 Kick - Blatant & callous Kick to head regardless of injury - 6 games8- 10 games
Other minor offences will fall in to first category of suspension ie deliberately treading on player, spitting etc.

A kick to the body = a jumper punch.....

[tiger08]

where does charging, or a high bump fit into this..
as accidental or malicious bumps are probably the most common report??

where would you like to see them fit in Sherrin, suggestions welcome.

accidental bump..accidental then, i guess thats as simple as 2 players running with eyes for ball and colliding or late contact, obviously some bumps or charges will warrant the umpire's discretion in only giving a FAD or 50m penalty.

malicious high bump without elbow or dangerous/reckless charge ie shirt front style no head contact - Grade 1 Strike

malicious high bump with elbow or callous charge ie shirt front style with head contact - Grade 2 Strike

BTB..good call, once more input on penalties will re post ammended charges and penalties, what u think re high bump charging?

[tiger08]

1st OFFENCE
Grade 1 Strike
body punch, jumper punch to head resulting in minor injury, attempted strike to head,
malicious high bump without elbow/forearm, dangerous/reckless charge ie shirt front
style no head contact - 2 games
Grade 2 Strike
Strike to head, serious jumper punch to head, malicious high bump with elbow/forearm,
dangerous/reckless charge ie shirt front style with head contact - 4 games
Grade 3 Strike
Blatant & callous strike to head regardless of injury, malicious high bump with
elbow/forearm or callous charge ie shirt front style with head contact either resulting in
serious injury. - 6 games
Grade 1 Kick
Kick to body, attempted kick to head - 4 games
Grade 2 Kick
Kick to head regardless of injury - 10 games

accidental bump..accidental then, i guess thats as simple as 2 players running with eyes for ball and colliding or late contact, obviously some bumps or charges will warrant the umpire's discretion in only giving a FAD or 50m penalty.

Re malicious high bump or charge umpire would determine offense by systematically looking at what occurred perhaps as below:
If deemed as bump:
-Was there elbow/forearm used?
- No then Grade 1 Strike applies
-Yes there was elbow/forearm used - proceed to Grade 3 Strike definition
-Did contact result in serious injury?
-No then Grade 2 Strike applies
-Yes then Grade 3 Strike applies
If deemed as charge:
-Was there contact to the head?
-No then Grade 1 Strike applies
-Yes there was head contact - proceed to Grade 3 Strike definition
-Did contact result in serious injury?
-No then Grade 2 Strike applies
-Yes then Grade 3 Strike applies

Sherrin22 or others what you think on bump/charge breakdown definitions and penalties, on right track?

[Media Park]

looks alright for mine, Tiger.

Only improvement I'd make:

If a player is worthy of a ten-game lay off, and we have a 12-game cap, you may as well give them the a$$ for the one offence, so they don't come back straight away and hurt another player.
For me, kick to the head- maximum penalty.

[Media Park]

MP my understanding was that reps from both clubs were to attend plus the PLFL
is that correct?

correct. meeting moved to wednesday...

ffs- the game is this weekend (or scheduled to anyway), the plfl cannot put it off any bloody longer!

to quote mpfc over the footbrawl incident:

"the plfl needs to make a decision, and move on."

[wlm]

Centenary Wayback vs Tasman transferred to Ravendale. Hope RCC do the right thing!

[Ken Whelan Fan]

I had a call this morning from Tasmans VP to advise of the game change, The TFC have offered Waybacks the Bar takings,
So hopefully this will assist Waybacks with revenue and the Roosters will go and have a beer at Windsor Ave

[tiger08]

Centenary Wayback vs Tasman transferred to Ravendale. Hope RCC do the right thing!

then this closes the door for change of venue for Mallee/ Boston clash

[PuttingBStorest]

Guys - I reckon you could be onto something with this - sure it will need some tinkering but it sends the clear message to players and clubs what the consequences are "up front" and takes a lot of "subjectiveness" out of the process.

To take it one step further would be to introduce this type of thing at an SANFL Level where it applies right accross the State which would the take the "discrimination" argument out of the equation (from both sides) as all players from all leagues (regardless if there are dedicated aboriginal teams or not in various leagues) are subject to the same penalties.

Also - by getting the SANFL involved and endorsing this it sends a clear message to all and will hopefully attract more kids to the sport and make the games a lot more enjoyable to watch.

1st OFFENCE
Grade 1 Strike
body punch, jumper punch to head resulting in minor injury, attempted strike to head,
malicious high bump without elbow/forearm, dangerous/reckless charge ie shirt front
style no head contact - 2 games
Grade 2 Strike
Strike to head, serious jumper punch to head, malicious high bump with elbow/forearm,
dangerous/reckless charge ie shirt front style with head contact - 4 games
Grade 3 Strike
Blatant & callous strike to head regardless of injury, malicious high bump with
elbow/forearm or callous charge ie shirt front style with head contact either resulting in
serious injury. - 6 games
Grade 1 Kick
Kick to body, attempted kick to head - 4 games
Grade 2 Kick
Kick to head regardless of injury - 10 games

accidental bump..accidental then, i guess thats as simple as 2 players running with eyes for ball and colliding or late contact, obviously some bumps or charges will warrant the umpire's discretion in only giving a FAD or 50m penalty.

Re malicious high bump or charge umpire would determine offense by systematically looking at what occurred perhaps as below:
If deemed as bump:
-Was there elbow/forearm used?
- No then Grade 1 Strike applies
-Yes there was elbow/forearm used - proceed to Grade 3 Strike definition
-Did contact result in serious injury?
-No then Grade 2 Strike applies
-Yes then Grade 3 Strike applies
If deemed as charge:
-Was there contact to the head?
-No then Grade 1 Strike applies
-Yes there was head contact - proceed to Grade 3 Strike definition
-Did contact result in serious injury?
-No then Grade 2 Strike applies
-Yes then Grade 3 Strike applies

Sherrin22 or others what you think on bump/charge breakdown definitions and penalties, on right track?

[Media Park]

I had a call this morning from Tasmans VP to advise of the game change, The TFC have offered Waybacks the Bar takings,
So hopefully this will assist Waybacks with revenue and the Roosters will go and have a beer at Windsor Ave

or

[westcoastpanther]

Centenary Wayback vs Tasman transferred to Ravendale. Hope RCC do the right thing!

then this closes the door for change of venue for Mallee/ Boston clash

It could now be played at Centenary.

On another note, I liked what the Cricket Assoc did after only three years of MP not providing score cards, not showing up for meetings, basically not fulfilling their obligations, kicked them out of the competition. Best thing the PLCC has ever done and showed some authority and that they will not be treated with contempt.

BTB, there is only one club holding the PLFL to ransom, and it aint Bostons.....

[Media Park]

Centenary Wayback vs Tasman transferred to Ravendale. Hope RCC do the right thing!

then this closes the door for change of venue for Mallee/ Boston clash

It could now be played at Centenary.

On another note, I liked what the Cricket Assoc did after only three years of MP not providing score cards, not showing up for meetings, basically not fulfilling their obligations, kicked them out of the competition. Best thing the PLCC has ever done and showed some authority and that they will not be treated with contempt.

BTB, there is only one club holding the PLFL to ransom, and it aint Bostons.....

[Media Park]

So the Boston/Mallee scenario...

1: Bostons versus Mallee @ Mallee Park 10/1

2: Bostons versus Mallee @ Poole Oval 5/1

3: Bostons forfeit game against Mallee 2/1

4: Some other scenario 2/1

[tiger08]

So the Boston/Mallee scenario...

1: Bostons versus Mallee @ Mallee Park 10/1

2: Bostons versus Mallee @ Poole Oval 5/1

3: Bostons forfeit game against Mallee 2/1

4: Some other scenario 2/1

after 6 weeks week of hot air all round you left out option 5: WGAF - even money

[Media Park]

If I understand WGAF, that either means the game's played at UFC Oval, or the game's not played..

[Media Park]

So tips could be interesting this week...

Boston v Mallee Park will be the MOTR if played, purely for the anticipated spectacle, but at this stage... Will it occur???

Tasmans v Waybacks

Marble Range v Lincoln South

UFC Peckers 40+
Waybacks 1-39
Lincoln South 1-39