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[daysofourlives]

Howard, is it true that clubs have been told they have 2 years to have the CFB logo on their guernsey's?
This is a joke as i think you would find most country clubs are lucky to replace their sets every 5 years or so. Its a huge cost to clubs, most clubs would have at least 4 teams at $2000-$2500 a set equals $8000-$10000. Its money that could certainly be spent elsewhere like on junior development, since there is little or no support from higher levels in this area.
What about the CFB fighting the AFL and SANFL for a bigger slice of the pie from draftees for their grass roots clubs. Now that would be useful to the country clubs since they put most of the time in on a young players development i.e a kid starts playing footy at lets say 8yrs of age with his local club and continues to say the age of 16 before going to a SANFL club for maybe 2 years before being drafted at 18. Why do the SANFL clubs get such a big cut?
There are also exceptions to this like corey enright for example who played 4 games of U17 football for the magpies before being drafted. I believe the AFL says you have to play for a SANFL club before you are eligible to be drafted, yet i dont believe that is the case in victoria.
So perhaps the CFB instead of dictating to clubs on minor issues that clubs have handled themselves for years they should pursue more meaningful things on behalf of the clubs in the whole state that would really make a big difference to a clubs bottom line.

[Clever Dick]

Howard, is it true that clubs have been told they have 2 years to have the CFB logo on their guernsey's?
This is a joke as i think you would find most country clubs are lucky to replace their sets every 5 years or so. Its a huge cost to clubs, most clubs would have at least 4 teams at $2000-$2500 a set equals $8000-$10000. Its money that could certainly be spent elsewhere like on junior development, since there is little or no support from higher levels in this area.
What about the CFB fighting the AFL and SANFL for a bigger slice of the pie from draftees for their grass roots clubs. Now that would be useful to the country clubs since they put most of the time in on a young players development i.e a kid starts playing footy at lets say 8yrs of age with his local club and continues to say the age of 16 before going to a SANFL club for maybe 2 years before being drafted at 18. Why do the SANFL clubs get such a big cut?
There are also exceptions to this like corey enright for example who played 4 games of U17 football for the magpies before being drafted. I believe the AFL says you have to play for a SANFL club before you are eligible to be drafted, yet i dont believe that is the case in victoria.
So perhaps the CFB instead of dictating to clubs on minor issues that clubs have handled themselves for years they should pursue more meaningful things on behalf of the clubs in the whole state that would really make a big difference to a clubs bottom line.

Daysorourlives, extremely well said, especially your last paragraph where you have hit the nail fair & square on the head!
The only negative that comes out of your idea though is they do not get rebates or freebies (in lieu of rebates) by doing the meaningful tasks that really would help clubs in both the immediate and long term.

[Jimmy_041]

Just out of interest, why the hell do they want their logo on the guernseys anyway?

Is it ego? Crock of shit if you ask me

[Howard]

The gentleman I speak of has no reason to lie to me nor do I have any reason to lie about this on this forum so your assumption that there is "no basis" is a fair way off the mark.

I can assure you that if you were to contact many clubs in many leagues, you will find they are fearful of what may happen beyond 2010 given that clubs are under instruction from the CFB already and little or no consultation has taken place.

Surely clubs & individual leagues have a right to either accept or decline what is put to them, but in many instances, this is not how it stands.

The reason I've suggested there may be "no basis" to your post is simply due to the fact you're not prepared to go into specifics, just because you were told something and they "have no reason to lie" does not stand up, with respect to proving whether something did or did not happen.

Also, you suggest that "in many instances" clubs are not able to make the decisions - but once again, just because you say that does not necessarily make it so, unfortunately, my point all along is, posters on this thread have been telling a few "porkies" - so we need specifics to clarify the situation, not hearsay and/or ridiculous accusations.

So Howard, can you tell me, who are "WE" or is that a 'freudian slip" I wonder?
Mine are not "porkies" as you put it, but detailed accounts of phone calls made to/from various people and told to me by a person involved in the conversations and this person is a relation of mine BTW. There is no way I am going to bleat the names of persons, clubs or leagues to you but I assure you, according to my source it has happened, whether you believe it or not is your choice. If you are the person who made the comment then you would know, if you're not, then you'll never know!
I tell you what, you pm to me who you are and your phone number and I'll fill you in, can't get much fairer than that!

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc

[Howard]

Howard, is it true that clubs have been told they have 2 years to have the CFB logo on their guernsey's?
This is a joke as i think you would find most country clubs are lucky to replace their sets every 5 years or so. Its a huge cost to clubs, most clubs would have at least 4 teams at $2000-$2500 a set equals $8000-$10000. Its money that could certainly be spent elsewhere like on junior development, since there is little or no support from higher levels in this area.
What about the CFB fighting the AFL and SANFL for a bigger slice of the pie from draftees for their grass roots clubs. Now that would be useful to the country clubs since they put most of the time in on a young players development i.e a kid starts playing footy at lets say 8yrs of age with his local club and continues to say the age of 16 before going to a SANFL club for maybe 2 years before being drafted at 18. Why do the SANFL clubs get such a big cut?
There are also exceptions to this like corey enright for example who played 4 games of U17 football for the magpies before being drafted. I believe the AFL says you have to play for a SANFL club before you are eligible to be drafted, yet i dont believe that is the case in victoria.
So perhaps the CFB instead of dictating to clubs on minor issues that clubs have handled themselves for years they should pursue more meaningful things on behalf of the clubs in the whole state that would really make a big difference to a clubs bottom line.

As I understand it, the CFB's preferred option is to have clubs include the logo in any purchase of new jumpers, with 2012 as a target to have everyone onboard. For clubs not intending to buy new jumpers in that time frame can have a logo sewn or ironed on to existing jumpers - you do not have to go and buy a new set within two years.

As far as players being drafted from clubs etc, the AFL clubs make those decisions, players not in the SANFL system do not, in general, have the level of fitness and/or skill to risk a draft selection. Especially considering the numbers of players going through the SANFL system will give the AFL clubs plenty of choice as to picking up suitable players. I also think the CFB will discuss the payments made to local clubs as a consequence of previous local players getting drafted, I assume the leagues and/or clubs need to raise it at CFB meetings etc.

[Clever Dick]

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I tell you what, you pm to me who you are and your phone number and I'll fill you in, can't get much fairer than that![/quote]

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc[/quote]


Just click on the pm icon at the bottom of this message and it will appear before your eyes.
Name & number would be great so I know who I'm talking to.

[Clever Dick]

Which league board member has been "invited" to join the CFB? Problem is, it can only happen providing he resigns from his position as a Director of that league?
Seems they don't want people holding dual positions. Now that brings up all sorts of questions, I seem to recollect something along this line in another league but it isn't seen as a problem.
Double standards maybe????

[Clever Dick]

It looks as though Howard has gone "underground"!

[jumbo]

Just out of interest, why the hell do they want their logo on the guernseys anyway?

Is it ego? Crock of **** if you ask me

It's all about the dollar - if every club has to purchase new guernseys, a quick cash injection for the preferred supplier and dollars into the pocket of the CFB

[aceman]

It looks as though Howard has gone "underground"!

Wasn't he given a "cushy job" by the Aust Cricket Board, that might be the reason he's missing.
Of course he could be trying to patch up the problems with Lara & The Pup! Oops, looks as though he failed that one too!

[aceman]

What I don't understand in regards to the jumper issue is, Why do we all need to have CFL Logo at all? I understand the reasoning behind putting your association logo on the jumper due to many similar guernseys in neighbouring leagues such as Bombers, Tigers, Roosters, Magpies, Demons etc. But to have a CFL logo as well is just a pointless exercise unless of course you design and sell jumpers. This is why so many clubs are asking questions.

Apparently the APFL have a delegates meeting sometime next week so it will be interesting to see what comes up in regards to the CFL. I know for a fact that the clubs voted NO to the IDM sports tape deal at the AGM yet our league accepted it as they considered it in the best interest for the clubs. I would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.

MC, let us know the outcome of the meeting. They may be setting a dangerous precedent going against the club vote from the AGM.

[Raking Left Foot]

I'm from the APFL and I'm warning all of you that this CFB is going to devour all of the afilliated leagues and clubs.

They are negotiating sponsorship deals that your club will have to use because your League has agreed to their conditions

Talking with someone a Thebby last night, he reckons the President or Chairman (Gino?) Amateur League will stand up to them but if they have afilliated then they have agreed to the conditions

Dont be conned - youll be told its no worries - we were - then the League sined to a sponsorship when we told them not to

[Mythical Creature]

What I don't understand in regards to the jumper issue is, Why do we all need to have CFL Logo at all? I understand the reasoning behind putting your association logo on the jumper due to many similar guernseys in neighbouring leagues such as Bombers, Tigers, Roosters, Magpies, Demons etc. But to have a CFL logo as well is just a pointless exercise unless of course you design and sell jumpers. This is why so many clubs are asking questions.

Apparently the APFL have a delegates meeting sometime next week so it will be interesting to see what comes up in regards to the CFL. I know for a fact that the clubs voted NO to the IDM sports tape deal at the AGM yet our league accepted it as they considered it in the best interest for the clubs. I would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.

MC, let us know the outcome of the meeting. They may be setting a dangerous precedent going against the club vote from the AGM.

I have had it confirmed that the APFL and delegates are definately meeting tonight. I feel it would certainly be an interesting meeting to attend. I will make sure that I speak with one of our delegates later in the week to find out if anything changes.

[Raking Left Foot]

I'll be there tonight

I now hear the amateurs have got there meeting tonite as well and their league are using home finals as a weapon to make them use the sponsors

This is all carp - who's running this show?

Somones sitting on top organising this and the clubs are gettin screwed

[Mythical Creature]

I'll be there tonight

I now hear the amateurs have got there meeting tonite as well and their league are using home finals as a weapon to make them use the sponsors

This is all carp - who's running this show?

Somones sitting on top organising this and the clubs are gettin screwed

Which club are you from Lefty? I look forward to reading your review of the meeting!

[aceman]

I'll be there tonight

I now hear the amateurs have got there meeting tonite as well and their league are using home finals as a weapon to make them use the sponsors

This is all carp - who's running this show?

Somones sitting on top organising this and the clubs are gettin screwed

RLF, there's something fishy about this story!!!!!

[aceman]

What I don't understand in regards to the jumper issue is, Why do we all need to have CFL Logo at all? I understand the reasoning behind putting your association logo on the jumper due to many similar guernseys in neighbouring leagues such as Bombers, Tigers, Roosters, Magpies, Demons etc. But to have a CFL logo as well is just a pointless exercise unless of course you design and sell jumpers. This is why so many clubs are asking questions.

Apparently the APFL have a delegates meeting sometime next week so it will be interesting to see what comes up in regards to the CFL. I know for a fact that the clubs voted NO to the IDM sports tape deal at the AGM yet our league accepted it as they considered it in the best interest for the clubs. I would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.

MC, let us know the outcome of the meeting. They may be setting a dangerous precedent going against the club vote from the AGM.

I have had it confirmed that the APFL and delegates are definately meeting tonight. I feel it would certainly be an interesting meeting to attend. I will make sure that I speak with one of our delegates later in the week to find out if anything changes.

MC, I'm suggesting that if they don't change their mind, what's the point of

1/ having an AGM or
2/ voting on anything at the AGM

If they don't recind their decision, they would want a very good reason but still shouldn't change their minds without consulting the clubs in the first place and giving their reasons for discussion.

[Howard]

It looks as though Howard has gone "underground"!

Hi there clever - not gone underground but have been away and not had access to or want to visit this forum while away.

Anyway, obviously have been thinking about our debate and on balance I'd prefer it it you PM me and give me your number and I'll call you. How does that sound?

[Clever Dick]

It looks as though Howard has gone "underground"!

Hi there clever - not gone underground but have been away and not had access to or want to visit this forum while away.

Anyway, obviously have been thinking about our debate and on balance I'd prefer it it you PM me and give me your number and I'll call you. How does that sound?

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc[/quote]

Sounds like you've lost your nerve, that's how it sounds. The old "cloak & dagger" theory that won't work Howie, no guts, no glory!

[Clever Dick]

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So Howard, can you tell me, who are "WE" or is that a 'freudian slip" I wonder?
Mine are not "porkies" as you put it, but detailed accounts of phone calls made to/from various people and told to me by a person involved in the conversations and this person is a relation of mine BTW. There is no way I am going to bleat the names of persons, clubs or leagues to you but I assure you, according to my source it has happened, whether you believe it or not is your choice. If you are the person who made the comment then you would know, if you're not, then you'll never know!
I tell you what, you pm to me who you are and your phone number and I'll fill you in, can't get much fairer than that![/quote]

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc[/quote]


Howard, I love the term " on balance', it makes one feel so calm about things, but since you were the first to offer the phone number why the sudden change of heart, are you now "out of balance" and lost your mojo within the CFB maze?