SA Footy

As u know people with political knowledge dont win or lose elections by their votes. Not enough of us to do that.
Elections are won or lost on the advertising campaigns running up to an election, they reach everyone else?
Im gonna put what i would do if i was the Labor advertising boss and the ads i would run before the next election. Please all u lib fans tell me how ur campaign would compete.

Labor will Attack:
IR LAWS - Less job security, less rights
IRAQ - We committed to a war that was wrong and we lost.
David Hicks - We let him rot for 5 years without charge!
AWB -
Telstra -
Interest rate rises since last election
Qantas takeover
Peter Costello will be PM straight after election

Labor will have to defend?
Interest rates levels from decades ago????
Soft on Terrorism?????
What else guys, fill me in please

Please tell me what the Liberals can use to get the everyday people to stay with them for one more election????

Id call this a no-contest this time around

It's a long way to the next election Duncs, I wouldn't go writing Johnny off just yet, although I admit it will be tough for him.

I wouldnt count on someone as cunning and sneaky as JWH to not have a few more tricks up his sleeve.

Labour will win as haven't got Little john! Also people should be getting sick of Lib's lies about those IR rules, Iraq. Might sound sick but if only one foreign affairs minister was aboard Garuda. Hate that pompus knob that much - LIAR!!

lizbeff eaglez wrote:Labor will Attack:
IR LAWS - Less job security, less rights
IRAQ - We committed to a war that was wrong and we lost.
David Hicks - We let him rot for 5 years without charge!
AWB -
Telstra -
Interest rate rises since last election
Qantas takeover
Peter Costello will be PM straight after election

Labor will have to defend?
Interest rates levels from decades ago????
Soft on Terrorism?????
What else guys, fill me in please

Please tell me what the Liberals can use to get the everyday people to stay with them for one more election????

Id call this a no-contest this time around

IR Laws, Agree there, Labor has an opportunity to make some genuine gains on that issue.

Iraq, Wont work, - people feel uneasy about putting down our troops while serving overseas, the initial response to Vietnam veterens is a lesson learnt in the community.

David Hicks, Will cost Labor votes when he is found guilty of assisting Al-Queda, many people remember Sep 11 and the Bali Bombings all to well, Hicks as a part of that group will be seen as responsable, if Labor campaign for him, they will lose by more next time as has been the case the past three times.

AWB, Will be a non issue, if Labor campaign on it, they will be seen to be attacking rural communities and will lose undecided voters in rural areas. Both parties have 30% rusted on voters and 10% to the others, it is the 30% swinging voters that decide elections.

Telstra, a good opportunity to attack the government, Labor stand a good chance of picking up National party voters after Barnaby Joyce sold them out.

Interest Rates, they would be unlikely to attack on this point, as it will be free advertising for the Liberal party who will do all they can to suggest that Interest Rates will rise under an incomming Labor Government, watch for mass advertising in mortgate belt areas like Makin and Kingston that are marginal on this issue and contain many on mortgages.

Quantas Takeover, a non event, Liberal will be able to effectivley distance themselves from it by stating conditions of job garantees as a pre-requisite for running the company.

Peter Costello, Liberal will goad Labor into suggesting or implying that Howard is too old and will trip Labor up into pissing off a number of elderly voters and a group in the boomer generation as a result, an effective trick that paid dividends last time.

What Labor will have to defend?

Any disunity on Uranium Mining as it will be implied that they are anti job creation in favor of Green preferences. Cost them two seats in Tasmania last time after they sold out CFMEU workers jobs for Green preferences that amounted to nothing.

The Suggestion that Labor are extreme left wing and are ruled by the left faction.

Advertising showing the details of the five major factions in the Labor Party.

Footage advertising what Gillard thought of Rudd, before they got into bed together, and it is not very complimentary. Will be used heavilly to suggest factionalism and a government that will be wound up in factional fighting.

Interest Rates.

Rudd being painted as a smart arse and up himself, painted as being decietfull in conduct with reference to Brian Burke, done to sow doubt into the swinging voters mind that is he is any better than Howard.

The suggestion that Labor have no policies.

Campaining on low unemployment figures with heavy advertising of the statistic that shows that there are more people in full time work per capita than ever before. Other statistics about where the economy is now as opposed to where it was with Keating.

An attack on State Labor governments for not abolishing state taxes in return for GST revenue.

There is likely more than these, yet a good start!

Can a mod add "John Fidge" as an option please?

(the Snouts would understand)

Sojourner wrote:

lizbeff eaglez wrote:Labor will Attack:
IR LAWS - Less job security, less rights
IRAQ - We committed to a war that was wrong and we lost.
David Hicks - We let him rot for 5 years without charge!
AWB -
Telstra -
Interest rate rises since last election
Qantas takeover
Peter Costello will be PM straight after election

Labor will have to defend?
Interest rates levels from decades ago????
Soft on Terrorism?????
What else guys, fill me in please

Please tell me what the Liberals can use to get the everyday people to stay with them for one more election????

Id call this a no-contest this time around

IR Laws, Agree there, Labor has an opportunity to make some genuine gains on that issue.

Iraq, Wont work, - people feel uneasy about putting down our troops while serving overseas, the initial response to Vietnam veterens is a lesson learnt in the community. Not about the troops, its about the government putting them there!

David Hicks, Will cost Labor votes when he is found guilty of assisting Al-Queda, many people remember Sep 11 and the Bali Bombings all to well, Hicks as a part of that group will be seen as responsable, if Labor campaign for him, they will lose by more next time as has been the case the past three times. Talkin absolute crap here mate, Hicks responsible for Bali 9/11, get off the grass, not even the average Joe Bloggs will beleive that fairytale.

AWB, Will be a non issue, if Labor campaign on it, they will be seen to be attacking rural communities and will lose undecided voters in rural areas. Both parties have 30% rusted on voters and 10% to the others, it is the 30% swinging voters that decide elections.

Telstra, a good opportunity to attack the government, Labor stand a good chance of picking up National party voters after Barnaby Joyce sold them out. Correct

Interest Rates, they would be unlikely to attack on this point, as it will be free advertising for the Liberal party who will do all they can to suggest that Interest Rates will rise under an incomming Labor Government, watch for mass advertising in mortgate belt areas like Makin and Kingston that are marginal on this issue and contain many on mortgages. As i said Liberal will not be game to fight this election on rates consistant rises since the last election and Howard today in a nervous way saying"Of course i cant guarantee there wont be more rate rises to come." Cant argue that dead horse anymore.

Quantas Takeover, a non event, Liberal will be able to effectivley distance themselves from it by stating conditions of job garantees as a pre-requisite for running the company. They cant and havent guaranteed job security

Peter Costello, Liberal will goad Labor into suggesting or implying that Howard is too old and will trip Labor up into pissing off a number of elderly voters and a group in the boomer generation as a result, an effective trick that paid dividends last time. Everyone knows Howard will retire after this election win or lose. the Liberal party arent stupid, they know Costello could NEVER win an election.

What Labor will have to defend?

Any disunity on Uranium Mining as it will be implied that they are anti job creation in favor of Green preferences. Cost them two seats in Tasmania last time after they sold out CFMEU workers jobs for Green preferences that amounted to nothing. That will be ironed out come policy time.

The Suggestion that Labor are extreme left wing and are ruled by the left faction. Crap, average Ozzies wouldnt know what a faction is

Advertising showing the details of the five major factions in the Labor Party. Liberal party doesnt have factions???

Footage advertising what Gillard thought of Rudd, before they got into bed together, and it is not very complimentary. Will be used heavilly to suggest factionalism and a government that will be wound up in factional fighting. Costello Vs Howard last year???

Interest Rates.

Rudd being painted as a smart arse and up himself, painted as being decietfull in conduct with reference to Brian Burke, done to sow doubt into the swinging voters mind that is he is any better than Howard. Rudd is an intelligent down to earth guy, look at Howards conduct b4 being elected. A non issue here. Burke issue id=s forgotton. A certain minister made sure of that.

The suggestion that Labor have no policies. Seeing as policys for the campaign are a while away. Clutching a straw here

Campaining on low unemployment figures with heavy advertising of the statistic that shows that there are more people in full time work per capita than ever before. Other statistics about where the economy is now as opposed to where it was with Keating. Meh, elections arent won on employmet levels. Keating over a decade ago, big chunk of the election were kids when Keating was in power

An attack on State Labor governments for not abolishing state taxes in return for GST revenue.

There is likely more than these, yet a good start!

Poor effort at a comeback here but good on u for trying [/b]

Labor's association with the union movement will also be a point at which the government will attack and an issue which the opposition needs to tread very carefully. I'm betting that the public anarchistic comments made by the president of the ACTU last year will feature on a TV ad at some stage during the election campaign.

Agree with Sojourner, the rocky relationship between Rudd/Gillard will be dragged out into the open. This will be a big issue. Ok the governnment leaders had a rift last year but the Labor party have a disgraceful record in the last 10 years when it comes to leadership, infighting and stability. The government will expose this for all that it is worth.

Who will win and who should win would be interesting polls to compare. I have this nagging feeling that Mr Sheen is shrewd enough (and the electorate complacent enough) to pull off* another win.

lizbeff eaglez wrote:Rudd is an down to earth guy

That's it, you got me.

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:

lizbeff eaglez wrote:Rudd is an down to earth guy

That's it, you got me.

Whats not to like about the guys personality compared Howards?

Intresting fact today my workmates brother is a cameraman for 9 and does a lot of the today show. And in the last 2 interviews on today. Howard requested that he be above the camera in shot. So it gives the appearence of him as a higher figure. Watch out for it!

lizbeff eaglez wrote:

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:

lizbeff eaglez wrote:Rudd is an down to earth guy

That's it, you got me.

Whats not to like about the guys personality compared Howards?

Intresting fact today my workmates brother is a cameraman for 9 and does a lot of the today show. And in the last 2 interviews on today. Howard requested that he be above the camera in shot. So it gives the appearence of him as a higher figure. Watch out for it!

Alot, i personally think he is a slimey smart arse... i think i wouldnt be the only one either. Suppose we are talking about politicians so what can we expect...

Im still waiting on someone to let me know if they're aware of 1 person who has been disadvantaged with the new IR Rules.
Im aware of at least half a dozen businesses that can continue to operate because of them but I haven't come across one poor soul who'd been given the arse for wearing the wrong colour tie yet.
Storm in a tea cup.

Wedgie wrote:Im still waiting on someone to let me know if they're aware of 1 person who has been disadvantaged with the new IR Rules.
Im aware of at least half a dozen businesses that can continue to operate because of them but I haven't come across one poor soul who'd been given the arse for wearing the wrong colour tie yet.
Storm in a tea cup.

That's my opinion too Wedgie. The scaremongering by both Unions and the ALP is just another example of political pointscoring (something all politicians are guilty of). ALP will have to earn my vote another way.

Wedgie wrote:Im still waiting on someone to let me know if they're aware of 1 person who has been disadvantaged with the new IR Rules.
Im aware of at least half a dozen businesses that can continue to operate because of them but I haven't come across one poor soul who'd been given the arse for wearing the wrong colour tie yet.
Storm in a tea cup.

They disadvantaged me, the two youngest employees not long out of school at the time approached me & asked for a 15% rise under the Industrial Relations act, knowing we were snowed under & the pain in the arse it is to train new young fellas.
Cheeky little sods had me by the gonads & got it.

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:

Wedgie wrote:Im still waiting on someone to let me know if they're aware of 1 person who has been disadvantaged with the new IR Rules.
Im aware of at least half a dozen businesses that can continue to operate because of them but I haven't come across one poor soul who'd been given the arse for wearing the wrong colour tie yet.
Storm in a tea cup.

They disadvantaged me, the two youngest employees not long out of school at the time approached me & asked for a 15% rise under the Industrial Relations act, knowing we were snowed under & the pain in the arse it is to train new young fellas.
Cheeky little sods had me by the gonads & got it.

not the same little cheeky sod who signed with Broadview?

Punk Rooster wrote:

Sheik Yerbouti wrote:

Wedgie wrote:Im still waiting on someone to let me know if they're aware of 1 person who has been disadvantaged with the new IR Rules.
Im aware of at least half a dozen businesses that can continue to operate because of them but I haven't come across one poor soul who'd been given the arse for wearing the wrong colour tie yet.
Storm in a tea cup.

They disadvantaged me, the two youngest employees not long out of school at the time approached me & asked for a 15% rise under the Industrial Relations act, knowing we were snowed under & the pain in the arse it is to train new young fellas.
Cheeky little sods had me by the gonads & got it.

not the same little cheeky sod who signed with Broadview?

Little bastard was a good wholesome Royboy then.

Sojourner wrote:[
What Labor will have to defend?

The Suggestion that Labor are extreme left wing and are ruled by the left faction.

Advertising showing the details of the five major factions in the Labor Party.

Ok half the others are awfully weak (ie the no policies thing... im yet to see an election where the major parties have not had a full set of policies, oh and 5 factions??)

I am in the left of the ALP, The ALP being ruled by the left wing aha (i wish). The federal caucus, every state caucus, every state branch of the party is controlled by the right, Hell to my knowledge all the youth boides are controlled by the right. Thus every state secretary, premier and highest ranking members on any policy or essentailly anything are from the right. The only parliamentary party controlled by the extremes is the liberal party (espically in NSW).

WorkChoices: there was a real need for small companies to be able to rid themselves of people who were liabilities easily, but I think it would be reasonable if that applied to companies employing 10 or less, not 100 or less. Bigger companies can carry a dud while they go through a proper process.

Employment: The biggest problem is paperwork. It is less work to employ fewer people and pay them overtime than it is to take on more employees. This is harmful to family life, and life generally, as people work longer hours. Paperwork reduction is needed.

Labor credibility: There have been two federal Labor goverments in recent history, Whitlam 1972 -75, and Hawke/Keating in the 1980s. Under both home loan interest rates topped 17%. Rudd will need to convince the mortgage belt this won't happen a third time. Latham triggered this fear last time and could not credibly say it would not happen again under him, and John Howard made capital of it. [Personally, I could carry the interest rates and benefit from the capital inflation that would follow as I did under the past two Labor governments, but I do not think it is good for the wider community.]

The other big fear that will be played on is that of the right wing "left wing" of the Labor party - that is the authoritarian socialists. "Right wing" actually means authoriarian and "Left wing" liberal and democratic, but the terms get misused and construed as meaning conservative and socialist respectively. Authoritarian socialists rarely win power, fortunately - the notable exception being the National Workers' Socialist Party in Germany under Adolf Hitler. "Nazional Abheit Sozialischte Partei" I think is correct spelling, but I am not sure.

Where am I coming from: I am left of the present authoritarian Liberal Party and the authoritarian Hawke/Keating, but right of Whitlam, and in favour of liberty rather than social regimentation - liberal conservative perhaps. [NB: no capital letters there!]

..