redandblack wrote:A very disappointing effort, Psyber. I expect something a bit better than that from you.
Perhaps you could quote a bit of Piers Ackerman or someone similar to prove you're right.
Just read the 2 snippets you've quoted again. You don't think there's a slight chance the language used comes straight out of the conservative textbooks on how to denigrate those nasty 'liberals'?
Hitler and Mussolini left-wingers
Lift your game, mate.
Thats why I prefer the older use of "right wing" to mean authoritarian as you can then speak of "right wing" conservatives and "right wing" socialists.
I pointed out in my first post that this article had used the modern variation of "right" and "left", which confuses the situation.
In my preferred terms Hitler's party was a "right wing" socialist group. It was called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party".
In the article's terms they called it "left wing" because it was socialist, and Mussolini's regime "left", too, because the country was called the "Italian Social Republic".
This language shift then makes it hard to distiguish the four main variants - liberal socialism, liberal conservatism, authoritarian socialism, and authoritarian conservatism.
So, when I declare myself as "conservative", the more socialistically inclined decide I am authoritarian by definition.
I put this up as an example of that problem of language, which I have discussed here before.
Posting the reference does not mean I am agreeing with everything in the article.
As I've said in other posts, socialism is not the antithesis of authoritarianism - they sometimes go together, and conservatism too can be liberal or authoritarian.
The modern use of the terms "left" and "right" tends to imply all conservatism is authoritarian and all socialism is liberal [that is, non-authoritarian].
In truth, socialists and conservatives, alike, can think they are pure goodness and light and would never impose anything people didn't want on them - unless it were for there own good of course...
That's why I like
liberal conservatism, which is "left wing " in the older use of the term, but the modern variation of the terms calls
all conservatism "right wing".
Perhaps the terms "left" and "right" should be dumped totally in the interest of clarity and the polysyballic terms in my line 5 used instead...
My
"[Which is something I said on this forum a while ago.]" was a bit clumsy.
I should have been more explicit about what I had said earlier, but I was trying to be brief.
I hope this further comment makes what I was trying to say clear.