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Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:52 amby therisingblues
I loved this story.
The Prime Minister of Australia made a speech in Mandarin in front of hundreds of students, directly criticising the Chinese government's handling of the Tibetan crisis.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/080201/2/15pm8.htmlAs I said, I loved reading it. Anybody got a different take on this? Bad for relations? For me I reckon it is great that we have a PM out there with an actual opinion on something, and not only that, he is voicing it directly to the people it concerns, in their own language.
Thoughts?
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:23 amby mick
therisingblues wrote:I loved this story.
The Prime Minister of Australia made a speech in Mandarin in front of hundreds of students, directly criticising the Chinese government's handling of the Tibetan crisis.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/080201/2/15pm8.htmlAs I said, I loved reading it. Anybody got a different take on this? Bad for relations? For me I reckon it is great that we have a PM out there with an actual opinion on something, and not only that, he is voicing it directly to the people it concerns, in their own language.
Thoughts?
I'm no fan of Rudd, but I agree with what he did, Tibetans are treated like 2nd class citizens in their own country.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:30 amby BIG SEXY
ill bite....
i think its crap. if he wants to make a real difference and truly free tibet the only way he can really do it is to try and extinguish the olympic torch like every other hippy out there is doing.
ok, i dont particularly like rudd but tibet wont get a thing if everyone pussy foots around china like they're the school yard bully. tell them how you see it and be done with it, if it upsets them big deal.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:46 amby therisingblues
Crushinator. The best way to deal with the Chinese IMO, is to IMPRESS them. He has certainly done that so far.
I really don't think Rudd would ever be listened to by the Chinese again if he tried to extinguish the Olympic torch. In my understanding, he is the only world leader to have gone to China and spoken up about the Tibetan issue in their native language. He has their attention, and I am glad he isn't pussy-footing around with it.
Many Chinese would probably have no idea about what is happening in Tibet. Their news is government sponsored, and heavily edited. It is however very hard to censor a speech made directly in Mandarin to a live audience. No surprise then that they went live to air after the event to try and discredit what he said.
He is taking the message into their country, this is the best thing he can do at this stage IMO.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:12 pmby BIG SEXY
i think thats what i said...in alot less words
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:27 pmby therisingblues
Huh?
Sorry, if you mean the same thing as what I said I needn't have written it then. But your original post reads as though you disagree with Rudd's actions here.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:50 pmby BIG SEXY
crushinator wrote:ill bite....
i think its crap. if he wants to make a real difference and truly free tibet the only way he can really do it is to try and extinguish the olympic torch like every other hippy out there is doing.
ok, i dont particularly like rudd but tibet wont get a thing if everyone pussy foots around china like they're the school yard bully. tell them how you see it and be done with it, if it upsets them big deal.
the first part i was probably just fishing for bites...sorry. the 2nd part was me agreeing with his actions
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:14 pmby redden whites
crushinator wrote:i think thats what i said...in alot less words
Best post ever
...................go back to costumes at car races mate ..pure gold
You want someone to stick it up them....The guy speaks feely in an enviroment that cant be sensored in their own language and you bag him for it.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:33 pmby BIG SEXY
when did i bag him?
the 2nd part of my original post was saying the only way to deal with china is to do what rudd did...if thats me bagging him you dont know me.
if i wanted to bag rudd ive got enough other things to bag him about!
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:34 pmby redden whites
crushinator wrote:i think its crap. if he wants to make a real difference and truly free tibet the only way he can really do it is to try and extinguish the olympic torch .
ok, i dont particularly like rudd but tibet wont get a thing if everyone pussy foots around china
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:40 pmby smac
redden whites wrote:crushinator wrote:i think its crap. if he wants to make a real difference and truly free tibet the only way he can really do it is to try and extinguish the olympic torch .
ok, i dont particularly like rudd but tibet wont get a thing if everyone pussy foots around china
You forgot to interpret his comments as directed by this post redden.
crushinator wrote:the first part i was probably just fishing for bites...sorry. the 2nd part was me agreeing with his actions
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:55 pmby redden whites
So he does not think its crap???????
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:06 pmby mick
redden whites wrote:So he does not think its crap???????
No- he was on a fishing expedition and caught you
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:44 pmby redden whites
You can do better than that Mick surely.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:01 amby BIG SEXY
mick wrote:redden whites wrote:So he does not think its crap???????
No- he was on a fishing expedition and caught you
wow someone in the politics forum who can see past their nose!
Mick understands whats going on....
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:14 amby Psyber
Pity the Chinese are not listening. Their "athletes" in the blue and white track suits will protect the torch "with their bodies" despite Kev saying Australia will provide the only security on our soil. Watch for the collapsible Kalashnikovs packed by the Karate kids in blue and white.
I'd tell them to take their torch and go home NOW!
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:21 pmby Leaping Lindner
Psyber wrote:Pity the Chinese are not listening. Their "athletes" in the blue and white track suits will protect the torch "with their bodies" despite Kev saying Australia will provide the only security on our soil. Watch for the collapsible Kalashnikovs packed by the Karate kids in blue and white.
I'd tell them to take their torch and go home NOW!
The Chinese don't use and never have used Kalashnikovs. They used the Type 56 Assault rifle. This has since been replaced by Type 81 Assualt Rifle.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:17 pmby Psyber
Leaping Lindner wrote:Psyber wrote:Pity the Chinese are not listening. Their "athletes" in the blue and white track suits will protect the torch "with their bodies" despite Kev saying Australia will provide the only security on our soil. Watch for the collapsible Kalashnikovs packed by the Karate kids in blue and white.
I'd tell them to take their torch and go home NOW!
The Chinese don't use and never have used Kalashnikovs. They used the Type 56 Assault rifle. This has since been replaced by Type 81 Assualt Rifle.
OK, watch for them then!
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:53 pmby therisingblues
Amazing how the Chinese can organise crowds at the drop of a hat.
When the Chinese PM visited England a little while back, the embassy bussed in perhaps about 10,000 from all over London to wave their little flags and make it look as though he has soaring popularity.
Re: Rudd Straight Talking to the Chinese
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:39 pmby Psyber
therisingblues wrote:Amazing how the Chinese can organise crowds at the drop of a hat.
When the Chinese PM visited England a little while back, the embassy bussed in perhaps about 10,000 from all over London to wave their little flags and make it look as though he has soaring popularity.
All those Chinese have relatives at home in China - it is not so amazing - it just takes a few whispered words, like mentioning their names.