Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[Sky Pilot]

Who took the temperature 65m years ago

The guy at the weather bureau of course!

[Bully]

its ment to go by experts looking at rocks in the ground, or drilling into the polar ice caps and seeing what carbon was in the air.

Thats how its proved, .......again im not an expert, but these are just all theorys. Again, i could be wrong

[Sky Pilot]

Scientists are like lawyers mate. They talk in gobbeldy gook and if a mere mortal questions their verbal spillage they respond with more jargon and tell us to stop being so ignorant. The only way to tell them apart is that lawyers like to dress up in wigs and Versace suits, Scientists have beards, and/or grey ponytails and wear brown corduroy trousers, green shirts and orange paisley ties from op shops.

[Q.]

Scientists are like lawyers mate. They talk in gobbeldy gook and if a mere mortal questions their verbal spillage they respond with more jargon and tell us to stop being so ignorant. The only way to tell them apart is that lawyers like to dress up in wigs and Versace suits, Scientists have beards, and/or grey ponytails and wear brown corduroy trousers, green shirts and orange paisley ties from op shops.

[fish]

i agree with you fish, yes the charts show the earth is warming.

Great - maybe you could try to help us convince southee and Sky Pilot, who have yet to provide any evidence to show that the earth isn't warming...

[fish]

i agree with you fish, yes the charts show the earth is warming.

but please provide a chart on the climate 160 million years ago?
Please provide a chart, from 100 million years ago
Please provide a chart of 500,000 years ago

There are some historical temperature records here that show the changes in temperature through time.

[fish]

thats my point, agree with it or not, to me - This could be a once in a 160 million year event, or 100 million year event, or a 500,000 year event (the earth going through a period of warming more then normal ) .

we just dont know, and NO one can say, oh it didnt do this then, or it did.
But yes, if it isnt or hasnt done this before and it is humans doing this, then if we dont do something then we are to blame.

I understand where you're coming from Bully, but the science (which includes a full analysis of historical climate) says that humans are causing most of the current warming:

"Rising CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels has affected global temperature much more than natural climate variability during the past century".

State of the Climate 2012

[southee]

Fish, please tell me.

How is this Carbon Tax going to stop global warming?

How long will it take for the tax to cool down the temp?

[smac]

Can I get global warming connected to save on heating costs through the winter?

[fish]

I'd stop trotting out that Harris/Mann graph, Psyber. Neither are climatologists or meteorologists and it shows. The graph doesn't even have units on the y-axis and it completely leaves out the normal varations that should be seen in temperature charts.

You're right Q - Psybers graph is a good example of the dubious "science" that deniers tend to trot out:

It has no units on the vertical axis - do they have actual figures or have they just made them up? And I've seen at least one other version of this chart with a different temperature minimum for the "little ice age".

It shows the temperature plummeting since 1998 which is clearly incorrect based on the measured temperature record.

I can find no evidence that the two people who produced this graph have any relevant qualifications or have written any peer-reviewed articles about the subject. They appear to be a self-proclaimed "Climatologist" and "Meteorologist".

This reminds me of "straight talkers" hilarious offering from the Minnesotans for global warming.

[fish]

Fish, please tell me.

How is this Carbon Tax going to stop global warming?

How long will it take for the tax to cool down the temp?

Southee if you believe the carbon tax is going to stop global warming you have been totally misinformed. It is intended to reduce Australias emissions.

Now where is that evidence to back up your claim that the earth isn't currently warming?

[Bully]

Fish, please tell me.

How is this Carbon Tax going to stop global warming?

How long will it take for the tax to cool down the temp?

Southee if you believe the carbon tax is going to stop global warming you have been totally misinformed. It is intended to reduce Australias emissions.

Now where is that evidence to back up your claim that the earth isn't currently warming?

so theres no point of the carbon tax? is that what your saying fish?

Isnt 'reducing emmissions' suppose to reduce carbon entering the atmosphere to reduce the warming of the earth? (which is the reason for the carbon tax)? (if it is carbon causing the warming)?
Or have i mis read or mis heard the prime minister?

[Gozu]

No shit if right-wingers didn't exist you'd have to invent them. They just keep trotting out their same pet lines no matter how many times they're debunked or how stupid.

Yeah so um Fish, so how is our carbon tax going to reduce global emissions again?

[fish]

Southee if you believe the carbon tax is going to stop global warming you have been totally misinformed. It is intended to reduce Australias emissions.

Now where is that evidence to back up your claim that the earth isn't currently warming?

so theres no point of the carbon tax? is that what your saying fish?

Isnt 'reducing emmissions' suppose to reduce carbon entering the atmosphere to reduce the warming of the earth? (which is the reason for the carbon tax)? (if it is carbon causing the warming)?

Or have i mis read or mis heard the prime minister?

Yep you have misread or misheard the Prime Minister - I don't think she said that the carbon tax will stop global warming.

Put simply, pricing carbon is our chosen method of reducing our emissions and reducing our contribution to global warming.

Action by many countries, not just one or a few, is required to "stop" the human contribution to global warming.

[Sky Pilot]

Can I get global warming connected to save on heating costs through the winter?

Gold!

[scoob]

Southee if you believe the carbon tax is going to stop global warming you have been totally misinformed. It is intended to reduce Australias emissions.

Now where is that evidence to back up your claim that the earth isn't currently warming?

so theres no point of the carbon tax? is that what your saying fish?

Isnt 'reducing emmissions' suppose to reduce carbon entering the atmosphere to reduce the warming of the earth? (which is the reason for the carbon tax)? (if it is carbon causing the warming)?

Or have i mis read or mis heard the prime minister?

Yep you have misread or misheard the Prime Minister - I don't think she said that the carbon tax will stop global warming.

Put simply, pricing carbon is our chosen method of reducing our emissions and reducing our contribution to global warming.
Action by many countries, not just one or a few, is required to "stop" the human contribution to global warming.

By placing the coal fire power stations in a better financial position? Good one

[Bully]

Southee if you believe the carbon tax is going to stop global warming you have been totally misinformed. It is intended to reduce Australias emissions.

Now where is that evidence to back up your claim that the earth isn't currently warming?

so theres no point of the carbon tax? is that what your saying fish?

Isnt 'reducing emmissions' suppose to reduce carbon entering the atmosphere to reduce the warming of the earth? (which is the reason for the carbon tax)? (if it is carbon causing the warming)?

Or have i mis read or mis heard the prime minister?

Yep you have misread or misheard the Prime Minister - I don't think she said that the carbon tax will stop global warming.

Put simply, pricing carbon is our chosen method of reducing our emissions and reducing our contribution to global warming.

Action by many countries, not just one or a few, is required to "stop" the human contribution to global warming.

im being sarcastic fish........., hence the reason i dont believe in the carbon tax as not every country is doing it (another reason i dont believe for this tax)

[fish]

OK no worries Bully.

Meanwhile it looks like southee and Sky Pilot forgot to tell the Arctic Ice Cap that the earth isn't warming!

Arctic ice cap on course for record melt

United States scientists say the Arctic ice cap is melting at a startlingly rapid rate and may shrink to its smallest-ever level within weeks as the planet's temperatures rise.

University of Colorado researchers say the summer ice in the Arctic is already nearing its lowest level recorded, even though the melt season is not yet over.

"The numbers are coming in and we are looking at them with a sense of amazement," said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Centre at the university.

"If the melt were to just suddenly stop today, we would be at the third-lowest in the satellite record.

"We've still got another two weeks of melt to go, so I think we're very likely to set a new record."

The previous record was set in 2007, when the ice cap shrank to 4.25 million square kilometres, stunning scientists who had not forecast such a drastic melt so soon.

The centre said one potential factor could be an Arctic cyclone earlier this month.

However, Dr Serreze played down the effects of the cyclone and said this year's melt was all the more remarkable because of the lack of special weather factors seen in 2007.

Dr Serreze said the extensive melt was in line with the effects of global warming, with the ice being hit by a double whammy of rising temperatures in the atmosphere and warmer oceans.

[southee]

Once upon a time there was a massive hole in the Ozone layer.

People said we were going to die and the world would heat up to record temps.

Low and behold the Ozone layer has repaired itself and the hole got smaller........

Get my drift fish ??

Dont believe everything you read by the media or what the government tells you to beleive.

Julia said there was going to be NO Carbon Tax.....she lied.

If the tax is NOT for making the earth a cooler place because its heating up at a record rate......what's it for then??

You say Carbon Emmisions is that what is linked to making the earth warmer then???

[tipper]

Once upon a time there was a massive hole in the Ozone layer.

People said we were going to die and the world would heat up to record temps.

Low and behold the Ozone layer has repaired itself and the hole got smaller........

Get my drift fish ??

Dont believe everything you read by the media or what the government tells you to beleive.

Julia said there was going to be NO Carbon Tax.....she lied.

If the tax is NOT for making the earth a cooler place because its heating up at a record rate......what's it for then??

You say Carbon Emmisions is that what is linked to making the earth warmer then???

hang on, not that i want to get into this debate, but didnt the bolded bit have a lot to do with the banning of CFC's??? werent they the cause of the "hole", and since they have been banned, they are no longer effecting the ozone layer, so it has therefore repaired itself (or at least shrunk, im not sure that it has gone away completely has it?)??

edit, after some googling, it hasnt gone away, it has only shrunk, marginally. and supposedly it isnt predicted to have gone completely until 2050 (my source is only wiki, so will happily be corrected by more knowledgable posters), it seems that it is just no longer fashionable to report on it.