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mickey wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:
As for keeping religion out of politics, that will never happen nor should it. Religious viewpoints, whether they be from people of a faith or athiests (yes, atheism is defined as a religion) shape the opinions and values of pretty much everyone. Religion is so much a part of who each of us is, whether we like it or not. Study of religion is also very useful as it helps us to understand one another's background and viewpoints.

Cheers

Religion should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Each elected member is there to represent the people of the electorate. When it comes to vote on certain issues such as euthanasia, same sex marriage, abortions etc, there should be no such thing as a conscience vote. The way a certain individual feels about a certain topic has no bearing on what the electorate feels.

Items like the above mentioned should be put to a referendum where every person gets to have their own conscience vote.

Well said mickey. One of the reasons I don't find religious people intelligent is the fact they can't or refuse to understand why religion should be kept out of politics.

The Sleeping Giant wrote:

mickey wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:
As for keeping religion out of politics, that will never happen nor should it. Religious viewpoints, whether they be from people of a faith or athiests (yes, atheism is defined as a religion) shape the opinions and values of pretty much everyone. Religion is so much a part of who each of us is, whether we like it or not. Study of religion is also very useful as it helps us to understand one another's background and viewpoints.

Cheers

Religion should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Each elected member is there to represent the people of the electorate. When it comes to vote on certain issues such as euthanasia, same sex marriage, abortions etc, there should be no such thing as a conscience vote. The way a certain individual feels about a certain topic has no bearing on what the electorate feels.

Items like the above mentioned should be put to a referendum where every person gets to have their own conscience vote.

Well said mickey. One of the reasons I don't find religious people intelligent is the fact they can't or refuse to understand why religion should be kept out of politics.

Antidisestablishmentarianism IS dumb - religion should be excluded from politics, but it is almost impossible to achieve.
So many people's concept of right and justice is based on their religious philosophy or upbringing regardless of their awareness of it.
Then we have the problem of excluding other non-universal philosophies that bias concepts of right and justice, too, in the process of fairness.

mickey wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:
As for keeping religion out of politics, that will never happen nor should it. Religious viewpoints, whether they be from people of a faith or athiests (yes, atheism is defined as a religion) shape the opinions and values of pretty much everyone. Religion is so much a part of who each of us is, whether we like it or not. Study of religion is also very useful as it helps us to understand one another's background and viewpoints.

Cheers

Religion should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Each elected member is there to represent the people of the electorate. When it comes to vote on certain issues such as euthanasia, same sex marriage, abortions etc, there should be no such thing as a conscience vote. The way a certain individual feels about a certain topic has no bearing on what the electorate feels.

Items like the above mentioned should be put to a referendum where every person gets to have their own conscience vote.

Mickey, I could not agree with you more re elected members voting in accordance with the people they represent. I am really surprised that you bring up this point though. Please look at the 2011 Census results:

Christian 61.1%
Buddhism 2.5%
Islam 2.2%
Hinduism 1.3%
Judaism 0.5%
Other Non-Christian 0.8%
No Religion 22.3%

With figures like that, it is highly likely that those with 'No Religion' will have no elected member consider their views at all if they were to vote in accordance with their constituents.


Cheers

The Sleeping Giant wrote:

mickey wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:
As for keeping religion out of politics, that will never happen nor should it. Religious viewpoints, whether they be from people of a faith or athiests (yes, atheism is defined as a religion) shape the opinions and values of pretty much everyone. Religion is so much a part of who each of us is, whether we like it or not. Study of religion is also very useful as it helps us to understand one another's background and viewpoints.

Cheers

Religion should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Each elected member is there to represent the people of the electorate. When it comes to vote on certain issues such as euthanasia, same sex marriage, abortions etc, there should be no such thing as a conscience vote. The way a certain individual feels about a certain topic has no bearing on what the electorate feels.

Items like the above mentioned should be put to a referendum where every person gets to have their own conscience vote.

Well said mickey. One of the reasons I don't find religious people intelligent is the fact they can't or refuse to understand why religion should be kept out of politics.

Sleeping Giant, similar to what Psyber says, it is a fact that our religious viewpoint, no matter what religion that is (even if it is atheism) is what underpins our values. It is so much of the fabric of a person. It is totally impossible to keep your religious viewpoint out of your values, even if you do not realise it, because it is the core of who you are. This is why I find people who express opinions like you just did to be dumb as they do not understand how one's values in life are arrived at.
Cheers

I understand we are a Christian influenced society, with Christian influenced laws and a Christian influenced democracy. Don't like it though. In my opinion, this Christian influence is holding society back. It's a shame more people don't realise this.

P. S. Those census stats you are using are a joke. There is no way 61.1% of Australians are practising Christians. What number of people would have ticked Christian because their parents were/are? How many parents ticked Christian on behalf of their children? If it's 61.1‰, how is it I have only met 3-4 practising Christians in my life?

i have met way more than 3-4 practicing christians in my life, but i would estimate that number to be 20% or so, not 60, that actually make it to church more than once a year

Some religious people know how intelligent the flock are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9oBCL ... ata_player

Intelligence and religiosity are “functionally equivalent”, which means that they fulfil the same psychological role. Although this intriguing argument contradicts points 1 and 2, it deserves serious consideration. Humans will always crave meaning. Religion – like science and logical reasoning – provides them with a comprehensive framework or system to make meaningful interpretations of the world. At times, religion and science are in conflict; but they can also act in concert, complementing each other to answer non-falsifiable and falsifiable questions, respectively. The authors conclude that some people satisfy their desire to find meaning via religion, whereas others do so via logical, analytical, or scientific reasoning – and IQ predicts whether you are in the former or latter group.

bulldog and others, you might find this very interesting

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_christia ... story.html

They are good those "<insert topic> explained in 5 minutes" videos. Wish more people who can't be bothered reading watched them.

Yeah TED talks are great

I like this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/user/crashcourse?feature=watch

bulldogproud2 wrote: Mickey, I could not agree with you more re elected members voting in accordance with the people they represent. I am really surprised that you bring up this point though. Please look at the 2011 Census results:

Christian 61.1%
Buddhism 2.5%
Islam 2.2%
Hinduism 1.3%
Judaism 0.5%
Other Non-Christian 0.8%
No Religion 22.3%

With figures like that, it is highly likely that those with 'No Religion' will have no elected member consider their views at all if they were to vote in accordance with their constituents.


Cheers

Here's a further breakdown I had on hand:

Religion sucks - represents all thats bad in the world.

mickey wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:
As for keeping religion out of politics, that will never happen nor should it. Religious viewpoints, whether they be from people of a faith or athiests (yes, atheism is defined as a religion) shape the opinions and values of pretty much everyone. Religion is so much a part of who each of us is, whether we like it or not. Study of religion is also very useful as it helps us to understand one another's background and viewpoints.

Cheers

Religion should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Each elected member is there to represent the people of the electorate. When it comes to vote on certain issues such as euthanasia, same sex marriage, abortions etc, there should be no such thing as a conscience vote. The way a certain individual feels about a certain topic has no bearing on what the electorate feels.

Items like the above mentioned should be put to a referendum where every person gets to have their own conscience vote.

As religious organisations do not pay tax, they should not be entitled to make any political comment.
Happy for them to go hell for leather when they pay corporate tax