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[Wedgie]

My issue wasnt because of who I vote for. It was because I work in IT and run websites and is in all honesty the most pathetic issue Ive ever seen raised for a polly.
Spammers taking over unused forums has been happening for over a decade.
Abbotts budgie smugglers are much more scandalous!

[The Sleeping Giant]

I put it up as it was one of if not the leading political stories from yesterday it was reported on ABC 24 and obviously the SMH but you're all acting like it was something from a gossipy muckraking site like Vex News or something. Whether you like it or not it's legitimate news, sure it's origins were probably from an pro-Labor dirt unit but that's where a lot of these stories come from on both sides.

Partisan knobs, take a look at yourselves. I've been criticised on here for putting up anti-Lib articles and R&B has had a go at me for putting up anti-Labor articles, perhaps the real issue here is your objectivity or lack of it.

Just because it's on a news site, doesn't make it newsworthy.

[Gozu]

Wedgie, I'll take your word for it that spammers can overrun forums but perhaps the news angle here is that 'we' have to take his word for it? It might be entirely legit but still I don't see the issue with putting it up and honestly didn't expect much of a response about maybe a bit of a defence from Psyber but that's it.

TSG, Who decides if it's news worthy or not? I'm not being a smartarse I would've thought anything reported by a number of MSM outlets not subject to court procedures (The SA Labor pollie child porn thing) and what not would be free to be posted and/or discussed in just about any element of this forum?

[Bat Pad]

Wedgie, I'll take your word for it that spammers can overrun forums but perhaps the news angle here is that 'we' have to take his word for it? It might be entirely legit but still I don't see the issue with putting it up and honestly didn't expect much of a response about maybe a bit of a defence from Psyber but that's it.

TSG, Who decides if it's news worthy or not? I'm not being a smartarse I would've thought anything reported by a number of MSM outlets not subject to court procedures (The SA Labor pollie child porn thing) and what not would be free to be posted and/or discussed in just about any element of this forum?

I think their issue may be that when the main story is some Greens party member acting like a goose you don't feel its newsworthy to post on here.

Liberal or Labor though, we all know it will be up on this thread before days end.

[Gozu]

I think their issue may be that when the main story is some Greens party member acting like a goose you don't feel its newsworthy to post on here.

Liberal or Labor though, we all know it will be up on this thread before days end.

WTF, define acting like a goose? I can't remember exactly but I think it was me that first put the Tammy Franks story up.

What agenda was I running when I put up the story about that former Independent Tassie politician that allegedly did it with an underage girl?

Please stop projecting your own biases on to me.

[Bat Pad]

I think their issue may be that when the main story is some Greens party member acting like a goose you don't feel its newsworthy to post on here.

Liberal or Labor though, we all know it will be up on this thread before days end.

WTF, define acting like a goose? I can't remember exactly but I think it was me that first put the Tammy Franks story up.

What agenda was I running when I put up the story about that former Independent Tassie politician that allegedly did it with an underage girl?

Please stop projecting your own biases on to me.

Sojourner put up the Tammy franks thread regarding her pleading guilty. If there is another one I stand to be corrected.

Show me an example of you putting up an article relating to the Greens that wasn't either an article in defense of them, or an article praising them in this thread.

Lee Rhiannons boycott of Israel, Bob Brown accusing The Australian of misquoting him when they didn't. Two examples of political stories that were hot topics involving the Greens and were more than newsworthy, and were commented on by many commentators. So if you are going to use 'newsworthyness' (probably not a word) as a justification for posting articles/opinions, you should have been posting them all regardless of who was in the news and who was being criticised.

Don't recall claiming you had any agenda regarding the Independent.

I certainly wasn't projecting my own bias onto you, I'm unsure how that is even possible.

[Gozu]

Sojourner put up the Tammy franks thread regarding her pleading guilty. If there is another one I stand to be corrected.

Show me an example of you putting up an article relating to the Greens that wasn't either an article in defense of them, or an article praising them in this thread.

Lee Rhiannons boycott of Israel, Bob Brown accusing The Australian of misquoting him when they didn't. Two examples of political stories that were hot topics involving the Greens and were more than newsworthy, and were commented on by many commentators. So if you are going to use 'newsworthyness' (probably not a word) as a justification for posting articles/opinions, you should have been posting them all regardless of who was in the news and who was being criticised.

Don't recall claiming you had any agenda regarding the Independent.

I certainly wasn't projecting my own bias onto you, I'm unsure how that is even possible.

I can't be botherd looking for it but pretty sure I put up the Tammy Franks story. Lee Rhiannon's opinion on Israel? I wouldn't have thought that newsworthy despite how much Ltd News try and bang on about it.

Did you seem me even mention on here when she drilled The Australian a few weeks ago for it's factual errors on her background?

All pollies accuse media outlets of mis-quoting them, verballing, taking things out of context etc. What was that about anyway? being the hardcore Green I supposedly am I never even heard about it.

The problem yourself and a couple of others are making here is that whilst I'm a lefty I'm not a party hack unlike some on here.

[Bat Pad]

Sojourner put up the Tammy franks thread regarding her pleading guilty. If there is another one I stand to be corrected.

Show me an example of you putting up an article relating to the Greens that wasn't either an article in defense of them, or an article praising them in this thread.

Lee Rhiannons boycott of Israel, Bob Brown accusing The Australian of misquoting him when they didn't. Two examples of political stories that were hot topics involving the Greens and were more than newsworthy, and were commented on by many commentators. So if you are going to use 'newsworthyness' (probably not a word) as a justification for posting articles/opinions, you should have been posting them all regardless of who was in the news and who was being criticised.

Don't recall claiming you had any agenda regarding the Independent.

I certainly wasn't projecting my own bias onto you, I'm unsure how that is even possible.

I can't be botherd looking for it but pretty sure I put up the Tammy Franks story.Lee Rhiannon's opinion on Israel? I wouldn't have thought that newsworthy despite how much Ltd News try and bang on about it.

Did you seem me even mention on here when she drilled The Australian a few weeks ago for it's factual errors on her background?

All pollies accuse media outlets of mis-quoting them, verballing, taking things out of context etc. What was that about anyway? being the hardcore Green I supposedly am I never even heard about it.

The problem yourself and a couple of others are making here is that whilst I'm a lefty I'm not a party hack unlike some on here.

You certainly didn't put up the thread I noted.

You wouldn't have thought the Rhiannon story newsworthy, but the story you posted which began this discussion was? That actually is my point.

I am refering to an interview he did on the 7 30 report late last year. Section of transcript below:

Uhlmann read out a quote from an article Brown had written, which said: "Australia must urgently kick the coal habit and the Government must commit to a plan to phase out coal exports,"

Brown: "Sorry Chris, but Treasury has no intention of shutting the (coal) industry down."
Uhlmann: "No, but you do."

Brown: "No, I'm not. No, I'm not."

Uhlmann: "Didn't you say in 2007 that we have to kick the coal habit?"

Brown: "No, I did not. You're looking at the Murdoch press where I said back in 2007 ... that we should look at coal exports with a view to phasing them out down the line."

Uhlmann: "It wasn't the Murdoch press, it was a comment piece you wrote. So you want to phase out the coal industry."

It was commented on by both Fairfax and News Ltd. opinion writers.

And I never accused you of being a party hack, but you are biased. But aren't we all.

[The Sleeping Giant]

TSG, Who decides if it's news worthy or not? I'm not being a smartarse I would've thought anything reported by a number of MSM outlets not subject to court procedures (The SA Labor pollie child porn thing) and what not would be free to be posted and/or discussed in just about any element of this forum?

Common sense should tell you whether it's newsworthy or not. Your obviously an intelligent guy.

P. S. I'm not a labor or lib or green voter either. No political party is worthy of representing me. ;-)

[Gozu]

You certainly didn't put up the thread I noted.

You wouldn't have thought the Rhiannon story newsworthy, but the story you posted which began this discussion was? That actually is my point.

I am refering to an interview he did on the 7 30 report late last year. Section of transcript below:

It was commented on by both Fairfax and News Ltd. opinion writers.

And I never accused you of being a party hack, but you are biased. But aren't we all.

Okay but pretty sure I put up the first mention of the Tommy Franks story on here. Which if so rules your criticism out.

Lee Rhiannon's opinions on Israel are about as interesting to me as Michael Danby's, where are all those Danby articles I've posted about some of the vile things he's said in the past?

That Bob Brown thing doesn't even look remotely interesting to me but hey each to their own. Like I said Rhiannon embarrassed News Ltd the other week showing up their factual errors on her background, something I didn't even mention on here.

That's good you're not accusing me of being a party hack because obviously you'd be looking pretty silly right now but a few others have made that charge on here before which is kind of my point.

Yes, we all have our biases but the trick is to always put your self in the other person's shoes. I have a natural left-wing bias however I can put that aside and look at things objectively. I'm not saying I'm special but I've found that many that follow politics are unable to look at things other than through their own biases.

[Gozu]

Common sense should tell you whether it's newsworthy or not. Your obviously an intelligent guy.

P. S. I'm not a labor or lib or green voter either. No political party is worthy of representing me. ;-)

Okay but I looked at that article and honestly no alarm bells about posting it went off. It seemed newsworthy to me obviously yourself and others disagree.

I gathered you were a bit of a 'renegade' that's cool. I'm a lefty sitting somewhere in between Labor and the Greens but given Labor's drift to the Right now more closer to the Greens than them. I don't know how anyone can hand their ability for independent thought over to a single political party, never understood it but it's the done thing to pick a political footy team.

[Bat Pad]

You certainly didn't put up the thread I noted.

You wouldn't have thought the Rhiannon story newsworthy, but the story you posted which began this discussion was? That actually is my point.

I am refering to an interview he did on the 7 30 report late last year. Section of transcript below:

It was commented on by both Fairfax and News Ltd. opinion writers.

And I never accused you of being a party hack, but you are biased. But aren't we all.

Okay but pretty sure I put up the first mention of the Tommy Franks story on here. Which if so rules your criticism out.

Lee Rhiannon's opinions on Israel are about as interesting to me as Michael Danby's, where are all those Danby articles I've posted about some of the vile things he's said in the past?

That Bob Brown thing doesn't even look remotely interesting to me but hey each to their own. Like I said Rhiannon embarrassed News Ltd the other week showing up their factual errors on her background, something I didn't even mention on here.

That's good you're not accusing me of being a party hack because obviously you'd be looking pretty silly right now but a few others have made that charge on here before which is kind of my point.

Yes, we all have our biases but the trick is to always put your self in the other person's shoes. I have a natural left-wing bias however I can put that aside and look at things objectively. I'm not saying I'm special but I've found that many that follow politics are unable to look at things other than through their own biases.

No mention of it on this thread and Sojourner began the seperate thread regarding her pleading guilty.

Of course neither article or story looks interesting to you, you're biased. Not sure a person with an objective point of view would come to that conclusion.

I really fail to see how I could have been made to look silly. But does seem a bit silly to me, is that you yourself started this thread in November 2009, and in the last 2 + years, the apparently unbiased and objective yourself who posts newsworthy political stories on this thread has not managed to find a newsworthy story/article that was either negative towards the Greens or in favour of the Coalition.

But I'm sure outside of this forum you listen very objectively to the opinions of your fellow conservative citizens.

[Gozu]

No mention of it on this thread and Sojourner began the seperate thread regarding her pleading guilty.

Of course neither article or story looks interesting to you, you're biased. Not sure a person with an objective point of view would come to that conclusion.

I really fail to see how I could have been made to look silly. But does seem a bit silly to me, is that you yourself started this thread in November 2009, and in the last 2 + years, the apparently unbiased and objective yourself who posts newsworthy political stories on this thread has not managed to find a newsworthy story/article that was either negative towards the Greens or in favour of the Coalition.

But I'm sure outside of this forum you listen very objectively to the opinions of your fellow conservative citizens.

I just checked the search option because I know I was the first to mention it on here but could only find this convo and the thread about it which I remember was started after I first mentioned it. Perhaps I didn't mention her by name I don't know.

No, I'm just not interested in pro/anti-Israel discussion, you know who Michael Danby is right? Me not mentioning him, her or the topic is proof of objectivity on your little charge.

I've posted a number of articles on this site that can be viewed as anti-Labor/pro-Liberal it's why R&B chewed me out about it once.

What tom foolery/shenanigans do the Greens get up to? I don't come across them and of course you're free to post them if you like.

I listen to Jimi I just can't hear him.

[Q.]

I think the real insight here is that the SMH is a piece of shit.

[Bat Pad]

I just checked the search option because I know I was the first to mention it on here but could only find this convo and the thread about it which I remember was started after I first mentioned it. Perhaps I didn't mention her by name I don't know.

No, I'm just not interested in pro/anti-Israel discussion, you know who Michael Danby is right? Me not mentioning him, her or the topic is proof of objectivity on your little charge.

I've posted a number of articles on this site that can be viewed as anti-Labor/pro-Liberal it's why R&B chewed me out about it once.

What tom foolery/shenanigans do the Greens get up to? I don't come across them and of course you're free to post them if you like.

I listen to Jimi I just can't hear him.[/quote]

Have to just take your word for it.

Who cares you never mentioned him. It doesn't prove objectivity that you didn't post something. So you're not interested in Pro/Anti Isreal discussion, yet you're interested in smears regarding sex ads etc. on websites a politician previously helped run?

Just because an article is anti-Labor does not make it pro-Liberal. The two parties are so similar at the moment that you could argue an anti-Labor article is also an anti-Liberal one quite often.

The point made was that you posted a smear against an LNP candidate, and when asked why you would even post it you stated that it was not muckraking but you simply posted it because it was one of the days top political stories. 'Legitimate news' you called it. So whether the Greens shenanigan were legitimate or not wouldn't even be the issue, just whether at least a couple of news sources thought the story worthy to publish.

Only it appears what constitues legitimate news for yourself changes with the political persuasion of the subject/subject matter.

I guess the best question regarding this matter is had that been an identical story, and the candidate involved been a Green, would you have still posted the article?

[Gozu]

Final posting on this subject.

Bat Pad enough with your games despite your lack of comprehension I won't be repeating myself again.

Of course I would've. Again where are the stories involving Greens shenanigans? I bet The Australian a newspaper that admitted it's goal is to see the Greens destroyed would have a number of journos going through their rubbish bins for any sort of sniff of a story. They tried it on with Lee Rhiannon which blew up in their faces (something I didn't even bother mentioning on here!).

Smears? Come off it. You seem pretty quick to take the LNP guys word for it, why would that be? And you peanuts have the sheer front to accuse me of muckraking solely for posting about it (did I say the guy warranted a public execution?) yet those muckrakers at the SMH & ABC ran the story (I bet others did too, it's news regardless if you like it or not). the 7:30 Report dedicated a bit of time to the story and it was a point of discussion on Insiders on Sunday.

Now I didn't come down in the last shower, I know exactly what you guys are trying to achieve here but a) I won't be biting anymore and b) the next time a story like this comes up again that I come across you can bet I'll mention it.

[Bat Pad]

Probably a good thing that being your last post on the subject. Your arguments haven't been getting any stronger and now you've lowered yourself to name calling.

Apparently according to yourself we are all conspiring against you to bring you down just because we happen to disagree with you. You and Bob Brown would get along famous.

Funny how you consider I am taking the LNP candidate's word for it. I personally couldn't give a stuff if he was putting porn ads up, it's simply not relevant. That was my point. Not that he did or didn't what he was accused of, but what he was accused of wasn't even anything untoward. You call yourself a lefty. I thought the left was all for liberation? Although censorship certainly has been on the left's agenda lately in this country.

I would be willing to bet money that you would be the first to complain about the way the media covers politics in this country. And then you post stories like that, and have stated you will do it again. Except, only of course if they are regarding a party other than your preferred. Just shows that you are nothing other than a political barracker.

[Q.]

Lefty's are for censorship now? Hmmm....

[Bat Pad]

Lefty's are for
censorship now? Hmmm....

Honestly. Are you kidding?

[Gozu]

Anna Bligh at Gold Coast Blaze training today:

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/201 ... ction.html