The South Australian Political Landscape

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby wenchbarwer » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:40 am

dedja wrote:The Liberal party as a supposed opposition party is a complete rabble, now led by a complete novice in Tarzia who is way out of his depth and may struggle to win his own seat. There is a good chance the next election will be a landslide to Labor.

There have been 2 by-elections of former Liberal leaders that have both gone to Labor.

Whilst we’re yet to hear the complete details of what happened yesterday and the Govt $2B assistance to be announced today, the response to the Whyalla crisis has been swift and decisive.

Has just announced that the nearly $600M allocated to the Hydrogen plant will instead be used to assist Whyalla.

I reckon Malinauskas is going OK.


Geez, he's dodged a bullet there, hasn't he?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:46 am

I don’t think he had any choice, it was clear it wasn’t going anywhere. That said, a not so insignificant sum has already been sunk, but I’m sure the Premier has the ability to spin it as a positive move.

Tarzia is trying to get some shit to stick to him, but it will end up on Tarzia’s face.

Will be interesting to see what the $2B assistance entails, there’s lots of details yet to be disclosed.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:53 am

wenchbarwer wrote:
dedja wrote:The Liberal party as a supposed opposition party is a complete rabble, now led by a complete novice in Tarzia who is way out of his depth and may struggle to win his own seat. There is a good chance the next election will be a landslide to Labor.

There have been 2 by-elections of former Liberal leaders that have both gone to Labor.

Whilst we’re yet to hear the complete details of what happened yesterday and the Govt $2B assistance to be announced today, the response to the Whyalla crisis has been swift and decisive.

Has just announced that the nearly $600M allocated to the Hydrogen plant will instead be used to assist Whyalla.

I reckon Malinauskas is going OK.


Geez, he's dodged a bullet there, hasn't he?


It's the only thing he'd be thanking GFG for. He's got $600m in the holster ready to save Whyalla and Hyrdrogen what now?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby wenchbarwer » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:57 am

dedja wrote:I don’t think he had any choice, it was clear it wasn’t going anywhere. That said, a not so insignificant sum has already been sunk, but I’m sure the Premier has the ability to spin it as a positive move.

Tarzia is trying to get some shit to stick to him, but it will end up on Tarzia’s face.

Will be interesting to see what the $2B assistance entails, there’s lots of details yet to be disclosed.


Much better to pump it into Whyalla than pumping it into a pipe dream. I doubt the current Labor govt. will mention hydrogen for a very long time.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:59 am

He hasn’t ruled it out in future, officially the initiative has been deferred, but obviously unlikely to be mentioned again.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jim05 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:04 am

Just a pity that the money can’t be spent on the diabolical health system in this state. Needs to be done though
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:12 am

Despite whether they’ve done a good job of or not, it’s clear that funding health is now beyond the States.

The cost continues to skyrocket with seemingly no end in sight.

I’m not sure anyone has an answer on how to manage now and in the future.

Successive SA Labor governments certainly haven’t covered themselves in glory, but is anyone else going to do any better? I doubt it.

That said, we don’t have the worst health system in the world, and I’d rather what we have than the farce in the US.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Brodlach » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:32 am

Agreed dedja. His action has been swift and greatly helps Whyalla. He would be the envy of all other States with his work as the Premier. Does the bloke ever sleep or spend anytime at home?

Victoria has been built on sporting events for the past 50 years and until recently they have been thriving.

It gives an instant monetary hit to the economy and greatly helps many different sectors; food outlets, accommodation, transportation etc.

Part of the assistance package, $600 million, will come from the shelving of the hydrogen plant which has already been calculated into the state budget.

(Edit, stated typing this at 8:55 and only just posted, some of what I wrote has already been mentioned)
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Brodlach » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:39 am

If we threw $100 billion into our health system there would still be holes and issues. We have an extraordinary healthcare but people just don’t realize


Would be rather the US system where user pays as dedja mentioned?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:14 am

My mother is 89 and does not have any private health insurance.

She is bulk billed by her GP, so no out of pocket expenses. She can get yearly flu vaccinations for free, and previous COVID vaccinations were also free.

I had to take her to hospital a couple of times last year, both times she was well looked after and they treated her as promptly as possible. Yes, it took some hours, but the triage system works in prioritising those most in need first.

If you have a serious or life threatening condition, then a SA public hospital is the best place to be. I just think we perhaps need to be realistic on what to expect from our health system.

For me, I’ve had had private health insurance since I was married. I’ve done the sums and with 3 kids, and the various health issues treated over that time, we’re still ahead when you consider the premiums and what we have received in return.

My youngest was born 3 months premature, and was in hospital for the first 3 months of her life. The cost of her care was astronomical, but we weren’t charge a cent above our insurance premiums. When she was in hospital, there were other babies in the same situation but were admitted as public patients. There was no difference in neonatal care, but we had our own paediatrician who kept us fully informed at all times, and continued care for our daughter until she was 2 years old. The parents of the publicly admitted babies had multiple, ever changing specialists, and were very much less informed, which would have been quite traumatic for them.

There are many other examples I can give from personal experience, and whilst there is some frustration, I think we do alright. The experience may be different for others, and I accept that it’s harder for some.

The only real issue I have is that there is an ever moving target with the agreements between health insurers, hospitals and specialists. We have been fortunate that there hasn’t been any issues with our hospital insurance coverage, but have with specialists.

One of my daughters had bunion surgery on both feet by a private orthopaedic surgeon, the out of pocket expenses were small (anaesthetist fees, they always seem to charge over and above), so about a year later, I went to the same surgeon with a view to have bunion surgery on one foot. In that short time, the agreement between our health insurer and the surgeon had lapsed, so I would have been up for the total cost of the surgery. It was the same deal for all other orthopaedic surgeons I subsequently contacted.

I decided not to proceed, and have had to manage with one foot much wider than the other and the pain that goes with it. In the scheme of things, a first world problem.

I’m still able to cover my 3 adult daughters with family health insurance coverage (until they turn 31 or get married/defacto relationship). It’s bloody expensive, but if my daughters had to pay for singles cover the total premiums for the 5 of us would double.

Our health system is by no means perfect, and if there is a better way that is sustainable then I’m all for it.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Brodlach » Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:17 am

Three things that people complain about in our public health system

Wait times
Food
Pillows

Not too bad IMO
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:17 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:My mail is, financially, it's a dead duck
With State & Commonwealth elections looming, there is no way the goverments will let it fall over (for now maybe.......)

Gupta is no dummy - he will play that out to his own advantage



Gupta held a full house but got done by 4 aces (albeit the Aces came from up the legislative sleeve)

Lucky there's a Federal election soon - $2.2Bn

Jimmy_041 wrote:It may just get them out of the $1Bn hydrogen white elephant


and bang! Gupta just saved us all from a disaster
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:28 am

$2.4B

Gupta has a mighty sore arse today, and with any luck, his global businesses will start to fall like dominos now that he can’t siphon off Whyalla profits to prop them up.

The SA Govt has allocated $50M for immediate relief to GFG creditors in Whyalla. The Premier has made it clear that no govt money will be provided to assist GFG and its associated entities with relation to their debts, and that GFG will need to address that with the Adminstrator.

The Administrator is being funded 50/50 by the State and Federal govts.

The Premier is a slick operator, whilst the PM is an embarrassment who did his best to faark up the media conference.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:45 am

dedja wrote:$2.4B

Gupta has a mighty sore arse today, and with any luck, his global businesses will start to fall like dominos now that he can’t siphon off Whyalla profits to prop them up.

The SA Govt has allocated $50M for immediate relief to GFG creditors in Whyalla. The Premier has made it clear that no govt money will be provided to assist GFG and its associated entities with relation to their debts, and that GFG will need to address that with the Adminstrator.

The Administrator is being funded 50/50 by the State and Federal govts.

The Premier is a slick operator, whilst the PM is an embarrassment who did his best to faark up the media conference.


I didn't see the presser.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:57 am

I’m glad the State Govt has acted as it has to punt Gupta and his companies from Whyalla, but with a total of $2.4B on the table inclusive of Federal funding, they should just acknowledge that they’ve effectively nationalised the steelworks.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jim05 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:01 pm

No one is bailing GFG out, SA premier says

By Courtney Gould

South Australian premier Peter Malinauskas has insisted not a single dollar of the $2.4b rescue package will go to paying off GFG’s debts.

“We’re not supporting Mr Gupta,” he says.

“His debts are his debts to be accounted for. No one’s bailing him out. Far from it.”

He says the rescue package will go to businesses on the ground who have “done nothing wrong”.

“The good thing about these creditors is, while they haven’t been getting paid Mr Gupta, they have continued to pay their workers. They have continued to pay their vendors, and that’s what’s kept this town running.”

The prime minister’s office has helpfully just sent out a release about the rescue package for the Whyalla steelworks.

According to the release, the funding will be delivered in three parts.

Immediate - on the ground support: $100 million

Creditor assistance payments ($50 million)
Infrastructure upgrades ($32.6 million)
Jobs matching and skills hub ($6 million)
Stabilising the steelworks - $384 million

State and federal government will co-invest $384 million to fund the Whyalla Steelworks’ operations during administration. Funding will ensure workers and contractors will have ongoing work and continue to be paid.
Investing in future - $1.9 billion

State and federal government will work with a new owner to invest in upgrades and new infrastructure.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby MW » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:28 pm

Just watched the presser. Mali is a smooth operator and played the press beautifully who were looking for a negative angle on this.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Dutchy » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:22 pm

Its good they are helping out, but the question still remains, is there a long term future for the steelworks? If not they need to cut losses and stop chucking in our taxpayer money to something that will fall over eventually anyway.

Im told there is no difference in quality between imported steel and australian steel, but guess which one is significantly cheaper?

Is all this to save 4,000 jobs now?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby dedja » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:Its good they are helping out, but the question still remains, is there a long term future for the steelworks? If not they need to cut losses and stop chucking in our taxpayer money to something that will fall over eventually anyway.

Im told there is no difference in quality between imported steel and australian steel, but guess which one is significantly cheaper?

Is all this to save 4,000 jobs now?


I don’t disagree, but when you break down the $2.4B, $100M is for immediate relief ($50M to non GFG aligned creditors), nearly $400M to allow the steelworks to operate under Administration, and a further $1.9B available if a new owner is found.

Theoretically, if a new owner cannot be found, the govt has 2 choices … either allow the Administrator to wind up the steelworks, or (more likely) take over and nationalise it.

So if the Premier and PM were being totally frank, then only approx $500m (still a large amount] is guaranteed to be committed.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:Its good they are helping out, but the question still remains, is there a long term future for the steelworks? If not they need to cut losses and stop chucking in our taxpayer money to something that will fall over eventually anyway.

Im told there is no difference in quality between imported steel and australian steel, but guess which one is significantly cheaper?

Is all this to save 4,000 jobs now?


Whyalla has a blast furnace that makes steel suitable for rail and nowhere else in the world makes rail that meets Australian Standards.

Structural and reinforcement bar ( for building ) can be imported but not the rail.
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