by Booney » Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:56 am
by whufc » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:55 pm
Booney wrote:Huge boost for the SA economy with the AUKUS announcement. Brilliant news.
by tigerpie » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:30 pm
by stan » Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:40 pm
The timing of new Aukus subs runs straight into the likely timing of there Taiwan plans.whufc wrote:Booney wrote:Huge boost for the SA economy with the AUKUS announcement. Brilliant news.
Great news for the stats but doesn't seem to be going down well with the Chinese.
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:38 pm
Booney wrote:Huge boost for the SA economy with the AUKUS announcement. Brilliant news.
by DOC » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:28 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:13 pm
DOC wrote:Not sure this is the link you intended
by heater31 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:03 pm
by shoe boy » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:08 am
by mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:05 am
by Brodlach » Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:16 am
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by stan » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:24 pm
by MW » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:28 pm
stan wrote:Bahahahaha we never said we would ramping.....hahahahhahaa
You only did about 100,000 times and probably have some posters around d thst day it.
Good grief, how did they win the last election...
by stan » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:34 pm
Hahah yeah no shit.MW wrote:stan wrote:Bahahahaha we never said we would ramping.....hahahahhahaa
You only did about 100,000 times and probably have some posters around d thst day it.
Good grief, how did they win the last election...
How bad do you need to be to lose to this mob hey?
by Psyber » Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:39 pm
shoe boy wrote:Vickie Chapman, making comment of current liberal party. "male pale and stale" baaahaaa after 20 years of her!
by Booney » Mon Apr 03, 2023 1:31 pm
Psyber wrote:Drifting to the religiose right both federally and state is more the real issue for the Liberal Party.
by jo172 » Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:37 pm
by Psyber » Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:47 pm
Booney wrote:Psyber wrote:Drifting to the religiose right both federally and state is more the real issue for the Liberal Party.
Psyber, do you think this is reflective of generational change that you're part of?
We've been an ageing population for some time and the "Boomers" are now in their 60'/70's/80's and as nature takes it's course this generally conservative generation is reducing in numbers. I'd also hasten a guess that the younger Boomers are being influenced in their thinking by their children and grand children, probably voting for things like Same Sex Marriage when they wouldn't have dreamt of it in their formative years.
Have your views softened / become more centric in recent years?
I think the Liberal party are tied to such "old fashioned" values that only the most right leaning feel engaged with them, the middle right I think has more empathy and liberal ( not liberal party ) thinking than ever before.
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Apr 18, 2023 1:32 am
Psyber wrote:Booney wrote:Psyber wrote:Drifting to the religiose right both federally and state is more the real issue for the Liberal Party.
Psyber, do you think this is reflective of generational change that you're part of?
We've been an ageing population for some time and the "Boomers" are now in their 60'/70's/80's and as nature takes it's course this generally conservative generation is reducing in numbers. I'd also hasten a guess that the younger Boomers are being influenced in their thinking by their children and grand children, probably voting for things like Same Sex Marriage when they wouldn't have dreamt of it in their formative years.
Have your views softened / become more centric in recent years?
I think the Liberal party are tied to such "old fashioned" values that only the most right leaning feel engaged with them, the middle right I think has more empathy and liberal ( not liberal party ) thinking than ever before.
I've always called myself "the left wing of the Liberal Party".
Early in my voting life I voted for independents mostly, then I backed Gough Whitlam in twice, but they eventually turned me off and I voted Liberal the first time to chuck Gough out in 1975. I was a bit pro the Liberal Movement in SA but they withered away. I knew Steele Hall - his ex-wife was a friend of my then wife - the wife who died in 2008 - and we kept running into him at her place when he dropped in occasionally - and I went to school with Greg Crafter, and Terry Groom. Paul Keating pushed me towards the Liberals and that's when I joined the party. I've never been part of the right wing.
I was tempted to vote ALP several times under Kim Beasley but his replacement turned me off and he is now very right wing. I couldn't trust Bill Shorten but like Albanese so far. At the moment I'm backing independents again.
I've never been religious either - even though my parents met in the Salvation Army. My mother had an Anglican upbringing but I think my father just wanted to be in the band. He played Cornet, and Trombone.
by Ronnie » Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:38 pm
jo172 wrote:While nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems the Liberal party has a serious identity issue in terms of its core beliefs.
That is, main-stream conservatism is only appealing to people who have something to conserve. If you look at the rate of renters in what have traditionally been the bluest of blue liberal seats you will notice that they have expanded drastically over the last 3-4 decades. Fundamentally, if you don't have a significant ownership stake in the body polity a conservative approach is going to be less appealing. You have less to lose from a fundamental change in the system.
Further, in respect of some of the culture wars the orthodox "right" position would seem to be contrary to what would be put as a conservative position. Take for example anthropogenic climate change, a burkean view of climate change would suggest that we would take steps purely to mitigate risk (in that it might be real, it might not) particularly given the material risk would appear to be a significant change to the status quo.
Similarly, orthodox conservatism propounded primacy of the family unit outside of government obstruction. Most people accept that a traditional family unit can come in a significantly different way to which it might have in the 1950s by way of same-sex relationships. A burkean view would have been to embrace and strengthen the family unit, rather than to resist it.
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