Q. wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Q. wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:I think Q is referring to people who stay past their visa time and then claim asylum
Major differences in circumstances and, in my view, not comparable
No, I'm referring to people who lodge protection visa after arrival by air:
The countries from which the majority of air arrivals originate are different from those from which the majority of boat arrivals originate. In recent years, the countries of origin of the majority of boat arrivals have been Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Sri Lanka, along with a significant number of stateless people. By contrast, in recent years the ten countries from which the largest number of air arrivals has originated have been Iran, Pakistan, China, Egypt, Iraq, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Turkey, Fiji and Lebanon.
Whether they arrive by boat or by air, all unauthorised arrivals (that is, people who arrive without a valid visa) are detained. This is because, under the policy of mandatory detention introduced by the Keating government in 1992, all 'unlawful non-citizens' must be detained until their immigration status is determined. Under Australian law, asylum seekers who arrive by boat are called 'irregular maritime arrivals' (IMAs). All IMAs are placed in offshore immigration detention, in regional processing centres on Nauru and Manus Island. Air arrivals who seek asylum are placed in closed immigration detention in centres throughout Australia or in community detention while awaiting the determination of their claim for refugee status.
OK, but don't the majority of air arrivals have passports and visas?
If not, how did they get on the plane? (Some dodgy airlines must be copping some fines!)
Yes, they all have passport/visa
and if they didn't; then they wouldn't get through immigration and sent back home on the next flight and 1 or 2 (?) ban
So, they have been personally identified (passport), vetted in many other ways before arriving (visa), and have landed legally in the country
Totally different situation to, as I understand it, to the vast majority of the IMAs
IMO, whether one group has a higher percentage of confirmed refugee status than the other is totally irrelevant, and you and I will probably always disagree from that point.