bye bye Mr Rudd

[Psyber]

With Youtube almost anyone can create their own political ad. Is this professional or gifted amateur?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrVxDQ5ziQ

Looks like a pro job to me.

[Psyber]

I heard Mr Rudd replayed on radio saying he was not going to announce his ministry in advance because no present position in the shadow cabinet is guaranteed to be the same after an election victory, "not even mine". Does that mean he could lead Labor to victory and Greg Combet could win a seat and become PM appointed by the "faceless men"???

However, today he said Julia G, W Swan, and the shadow Finance Minister [whatever his name is] would have the same positions in a Labor ministry. He didn't say anything about himself.

Now which version do we believe???????

[mick]

If the ALP wins. Rudd will be told who goes where in the cabinet. Only the position of PM is set, so I'd forget about anything Kevin says before the election. Combet, Shorten etc. aren't entering parliament just to make up the numbers. I just hope we don't have the circus similar to when Whitlam was elected, this country is too precious to have a wrecking party similar to the Whitlam government in control.

[topsywaldron]

If the ALP wins. Rudd will be told who goes where in the cabinet.

Utter twaddle. If Rudd wins he will have carte blanche to appoint his ministry as he sees fit. He will have a prodigous amount of goodwill within the party as he would have been the person almost single handedly repsonsible for leading the ALP to victory. To suggest otherwise is just part of the Libs scare campaign.

[topsywaldron]

Does that mean he could lead Labor to victory and Greg Combet could win a seat and become PM appointed by the "faceless men"???

The sooner you accept the Liberals are as riven by factions as the ALP, witness the NSW branch and the recent preselection kerfuffle, and do just as many backroom deals as Labor the easier you'll sleep at night Psyber.

[mick]

If the ALP wins. Rudd will be told who goes where in the cabinet.

Utter twaddle. If Rudd wins he will have carte blanche to appoint his ministry as he sees fit. He will have a prodigous amount of goodwill within the party as he would have been the person almost single handedly repsonsible for leading the ALP to victory. To suggest otherwise is just part of the Libs scare campaign.

In the ALP the caucus has the last word who is in cabinet based upon factional support. What faction has supported Rudd? - the left, so lets wait and see, the comrades will want their payback

[Psyber]

70% of Labor's front bench are former union officials.

Lismore's The Northern Star newspaper reported:

"Mr Shorten told his audience that after the election Labor would use the goodwill generated during the campaign to re-unionise Australia, beginning with the bush." (The Northern Star 26/9/07)


Mr Shorten's comments echo those of fellow Labor candidate and former union official Greg Combet, who said:

"I reckon we used to run the country a while back. I reckon it wouldn't be bad if we did run it." (ABC 26/6/06)

[stan]

70% of Labor's front bench are former union officials.

Lismore's The Northern Star newspaper reported:

"Mr Shorten told his audience that after the election Labor would use the goodwill generated during the campaign to re-unionise Australia, beginning with the bush." (The Northern Star 26/9/07)


Mr Shorten's comments echo those of fellow Labor candidate and former union official Greg Combet, who said:

"I reckon we used to run the country a while back. I reckon it wouldn't be bad if we did run it." (ABC 26/6/06)

Its bit of a worry...

[topsywaldron]

In the ALP the caucus has the last word who is in cabinet based upon factional support. What faction has supported Rudd? - the left, so lets wait and see, the comrades will want their payback

Incorrect. If you saw the news last night you'd have seen Rudd announcing that under him he'd be the one chosing the frontbench.

I'd actually prefer caucus chosing it but that's by the by.

[mick]

In the ALP the caucus has the last word who is in cabinet based upon factional support. What faction has supported Rudd? - the left, so lets wait and see, the comrades will want their payback

Incorrect. If you saw the news last night you'd have seen Rudd announcing that under him he'd be the one chosing the frontbench.

I'd actually prefer caucus chosing it but that's by the by.

I saw it too. He has to say that, otherwise he gives creedence to the faceless men theory. Time will tell. I will be very suprised if Combet doesn't end up in cabinet without serving any time on the backbench.

[Psyber]

In the ALP the caucus has the last word who is in cabinet based upon factional support. What faction has supported Rudd? - the left, so lets wait and see, the comrades will want their payback

Incorrect. If you saw the news last night you'd have seen Rudd announcing that under him he'd be the one chosing the frontbench.

I'd actually prefer caucus chosing it but that's by the by.

That's OK then because they almost certainly will.

In the interests of real representative democracy, rather than oligarchy, I like to see the local membership of a political party free to select their local condidate. There is enough manipulation goes on, without some outside body actually having the power to empose somebody on the local members.

[redden whites]

I am off to check under the bed.................again

[daicos]

yep, you have to love these ir laws. AWA's were the greatest thing ever invented.
I was put on an awa recently, it stipulated that I work 7.30- 4.00 , mon- fri, that is what my salary is based on. At last count I am working from 7-6 ,mon-fri and still being paid for 7.30- 4.00. I could do what my former workmate did and complain, but as you may have guessed he is no longer with us.....
How the hell can a young couple enter a mortgage with sort of insecurity.

I have recently signed up on an AWA and let me tell you with all of the negative things I had heard about them I was a bit worried. However I, and many of my coworkers, have managed to negotiate with my employer a much better deal than I was previously on under any award. He could not afford to lose any of us and came to the party.

[Leaping Lindner]

yep, you have to love these ir laws. AWA's were the greatest thing ever invented.
I was put on an awa recently, it stipulated that I work 7.30- 4.00 , mon- fri, that is what my salary is based on. At last count I am working from 7-6 ,mon-fri and still being paid for 7.30- 4.00. I could do what my former workmate did and complain, but as you may have guessed he is no longer with us.....
How the hell can a young couple enter a mortgage with sort of insecurity.

I have recently signed up on an AWA and let me tell you with all of the negative things I had heard about them I was a bit worried. However I, and many of my coworkers, have managed to negotiate with my employer a much better deal than I was previously on under any award. He could not afford to lose any of us and came to the party.

You are obviously not an 18 year old in his or her first job then are you. They will be the main ones getting screwed by this.

[Dogwatcher]

I have recently signed up on an AWA and let me tell you with all of the negative things I had heard about them I was a bit worried. However I, and many of my coworkers, have managed to negotiate with my employer a much better deal than I was previously on under any award. He could not afford to lose any of us and came to the party.

Sounds like you got that straight off a script...

[daicos]

I have recently signed up on an AWA and let me tell you with all of the negative things I had heard about them I was a bit worried. However I, and many of my coworkers, have managed to negotiate with my employer a much better deal than I was previously on under any award. He could not afford to lose any of us and came to the party.

Sounds like you got that straight off a script...

That is an insult to my intellgence dogwatcher...how dare you be so presumptious and narrowminded.

I am and will always be a labor voter and have been for many years and dislike Howard as much as the next bloke but I am honest enough to say that personnaly I have benefited from the new laws and not been worse off. In fact I don't know of anyone who is. How many do you know of?

Labor will win the election. It will be a horrendus mistake to roll these new laws back and will put the counrty back years. I wish the unions and everyone else like you would get over it and look at it from an unbiased postion and then make a judgement, not just say they are bad because everyone else tells you so.

[Dogwatcher]

Sorry, no insult intended.

I'm not saying you did get it off a script. I'm just saying it reads like you did.

And while you may be intelligent, political parties aren't averse to giving people scripts for use in the media and forums such as this.

I was unaware of your Labor background, but when you presented that comment in such a way (no spelling mistakes and reading like it had been written by a spin doctor), it's a fair comment to make.

As for people losing their jobs because of workplace agreements, people here don't have to worry about that - they're already losing their jobs due to the drought.

[silicone skyline]

I have recently signed up on an AWA and let me tell you with all of the negative things I had heard about them I was a bit worried. However I, and many of my coworkers, have managed to negotiate with my employer a much better deal than I was previously on under any award. He could not afford to lose any of us and came to the party.

Sounds like you got that straight off a script...

HOW DARE YOU DOGWATCHER!!
Narrowminded!
Whatever.
Never insinuate such nonsense again!
You're not fooling anyone calling yourself Daicos Mr Howard.
You spelled presumptuous wrong too Howard.

[smac]

Is this the anticipated Labor implosion beginning at the lowest level?

[overloaded]

The labor supporters are finally starting to admit that workchoices arent the big bad wolf after all....