Is the Australian Government Sorry Now?

[RustyCage]

Unless you were directly involved with the stolen generation (ie were stolen or had an immediate family member stolen), you dont deserve an apology.

[TroyGFC]

Fair call pafc1870!!
Any idea on how many were actually stolen in the first place? 100's 1000's?????

[RustyCage]

Fair call pafc1870!!
Any idea on how many were actually stolen in the first place? 100's 1000's?????

From what I have read about it, many thousands were taken, and not just down the road, some across the other side of the country. Exactly how many is not known as not many records were kept, and since, many hundreds more have claimed to be a part of the stolen generation (many of those proven false).

[Psyber]

Fair call pafc1870!!
Any idea on how many were actually stolen in the first place? 100's 1000's?????

From what I have read about it, many thousands were taken, and not just down the road, some across the other side of the country. Exactly how many is not known as not many records were kept, and since, many hundreds more have claimed to be a part of the stolen generation (many of those proven false).

Aye there's the rub, when compo payments beckon!

[RustyCage]

Fair call pafc1870!!
Any idea on how many were actually stolen in the first place? 100's 1000's?????

From what I have read about it, many thousands were taken, and not just down the road, some across the other side of the country. Exactly how many is not known as not many records were kept, and since, many hundreds more have claimed to be a part of the stolen generation (many of those proven false).

Aye there's the rub, when compo payments beckon!

Exactly, compo payments! When compo payments come out watch every tom, dick and harry come out of the woodwork

[mrjbeam1981]

i'm a product of the stolen generation. my grandfather was taken away as a child, we did not know until his death.

my mother, born in 1960, (who if you see her, you would see that she clearly is aboriginal), has "Colour: White" on her Birth Certificate because of the fear that she'd be taken away.


If you speak to an Aboriginal person, they would tell you that they know either a family member, or someone close to them that was taken away.


Personally I hope the Labor do apologise, not for financial gain, but for the symbolic closure that many Aboriginal people need.

[Punk Rooster]

That vile ,evil and racist little man no longer is the face of our nation overseas.

Your above description inclines me to think that you have little credibility, with regard to political commentary, nor the ability to be objective...

[Punk Rooster]

i'm a product of the stolen generation. my grandfather was taken away as a child, we did not know until his death.

my mother, born in 1960, (who if you see her, you would see that she clearly is aboriginal), has "Colour: White" on her Birth Certificate because of the fear that she'd be taken away.


If you speak to an Aboriginal person, they would tell you that they know either a family member, or someone close to them that was taken away.


Personally I hope the Labor do apologise, not for financial gain, but for the symbolic closure that many Aboriginal people need.

MrJB,
Your comment on the issue is one I can respect, regarding that you would like an apology for closure, & not for financial windfall.
If a sincere & genuine expression of remorse (ie Sorry) could be said without a Class Action suit following, commence forthwith.
I fear the Topsy Waldrons of the world are waiting, briefcase at the ready, at the steps of the Federal Courts...

[Leaping Lindner]

The SA, NSW, Vic and QLD state governments all apologised to the stolen generation. The previous federal government's reluctance to apologise had nothing to do with compensation and everything to do with ideology. One man's in particular.

[am Bays]

The SA, NSW, Vic and QLD state governments all apologised to the stolen generation. The previous federal government's reluctance to apologise had nothing to do with compensation and everything to do with ideology. One man's in particular.

So why did he apologise personally at a national indigenous conference and broadcast on all the nightly newservices in 1998.

If it was ideological he wouldn't have personally apologised.

I think Punky and teh ex-PM are perceptive, most indigenous Australians (esecially the ones I have met and moved amongst) would take it as closure and move on. However like all sections of society (I include white Australia) there are always a minority who will do anything for monetary gain and will use an apology for personal expediancy.

Easy for the state govts to apologise it wasn't their policy, they were merely complicit

[topsywaldron]

MrJB,
Your comment on the issue is one I can respect, regarding that you would like an apology for closure, & not for financial windfall.
If a sincere & genuine expression of remorse (ie Sorry) could be said without a Class Action suit following, commence forthwith.
I fear the Topsy Waldrons of the world are waiting, briefcase at the ready, at the steps of the Federal Courts...

How can someone so condescending be so wrong?

[smac]

MrJB,
Your comment on the issue is one I can respect, regarding that you would like an apology for closure, & not for financial windfall.
If a sincere & genuine expression of remorse (ie Sorry) could be said without a Class Action suit following, commence forthwith.
I fear the Topsy Waldrons of the world are waiting, briefcase at the ready, at the steps of the Federal Courts...

How can someone so condescending be so wrong?

You're at the top of the steps, aren't you?

[TroyGFC]

If Rudd says sorry more or less like; As the Current elected PM of Australia, representing the Australians of today I would like to show my full apologise to the Aboriginal people that were stolen from their family by a government of years gone by!
Surely a speech like that can't open up legal avenues but shows that the current government and Australian people show sorrow for what our forefathers might have done.

[Lunchcutter]

that wasn't the reason why John Howard wouldn't say sorry.

kevin Rudd will.

yes of course it effin was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... and if rudd signs the kyoto sp?? agreement what will the cost to business' be?? will definitely see more stuff moving offshore than ever before

god help us

[redden whites]

That vile ,evil and racist little man no longer is the face of our nation overseas.

Your above description inclines me to think that you have little credibility, with regard to political commentary, nor the ability to be objective...

Who putting their opinions on the politics forum could claim to be objective? I hate the man .As for if you think have have credibility or not why would I give two shits about that.

[Psyber]

That vile ,evil and racist little man no longer is the face of our nation overseas.

Your above description inclines me to think that you have little credibility, with regard to political commentary, nor the ability to be objective...

Who putting their opinions on the politics forum could claim to be objective? I hate the man .As for if you think have have credibility or not why would I give two shits about that.

I am a little puzzled about how one can hate someone, or believe they know the attitudes of someone, they have not actually met on at least several occasions, and had ongoing dealings with, to have the opportunity to form a realistic personal assessment of them.

Now, someone who who has become a bigot and taken the position of hating the idea of someone or something because of religious or political dogmatism is conceivable, but is that not possibly Tony Abbott's failing too - taking on views dished out by some other not necessarily very reliable "authority"??

[Sheik Yerbouti]

As for if you think have have credibility or not why would I give two shits about that.

The new year 12 English pass mark under our socialist regime has been released.

[redden whites]

As for if you think have have credibility or not why would I give two shits about that.

The new year 12 English pass mark under our socialist regime has been released.

Maybe the keyboard skills aren't up to your esteemed standard I accept your point.Thanks for adding to the debate.I will add to the debate that those poor asbestos disease suffers ( vale bernie)seem to get plenty of support in the fight against James Hardie and very few seem to be aggrieved by financial payouts for destroyed lives and family suffering.If Hardies have to pay up for previous wrongs why should not the Australian Government just do the same thing?Or isn't it that white and black.

[Psyber]

As for if you think have have credibility or not why would I give two shits about that.

The new year 12 English pass mark under our socialist regime has been released.

Maybe the keyboard skills aren't up to your esteemed standard I accept your point.Thanks for adding to the debate.I will add to the debate that those poor asbestos disease suffers ( vale bernie)seem to get plenty of support in the fight against James Hardie and very few seem to be aggrieved by financial payouts for destroyed lives and family suffering.If Hardies have to pay up for previous wrongs why should not the Australian Government just do the same thing?Or isn't it that white and black.

Ahh... now the Workers' Comp obligations are a different kettle of fish. The legal implications are there before the event so the offender knows in advance that what they are doing is wrong or negligent in law. Not a viable comparison really.

I'd support an expression of sorrow that the events that harmed any of our aboriginal people occurred and appropriate compensation for those specific individuals who actually suffered real and verifiable harm, but not a pot of gold for anyone who can assert indirect suffering, or for the lawyers.

[redden whites]

Fair enough, but I was posting at a community support/moral/feeling angle and can see a massive gulf that concerns me about our community.