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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby oldfella » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:13 am

Psyber & Redandblack - I have been a long time lurker here but never posted as too many times the posts are flaming (to me) based on which side of the political spectrum one comes from.

However, in this last discussion between you two you both were direct but both showed respect to each other - I enjoyed the posts and feel you both have set a level for all - well done.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Psyber » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:18 pm

Peace and respect R&B,
I have no argument with the general views expressed in the summing up, nor with the closure of the Special Branch.
The issue that concerned me was only the question of the core motivation for taking action then rather than earlier.

I agree that my perceptions are bound to be shaped by my leanings and experience as are those of us all.
I used "emotive" not to attribute emotion as the sole source of your opinions, and invalidate them thereby.
I meant it only as a descriptor of your language and style:
Psyber, Psyber, oh dear.
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I'll struggle with this, as many of us would, but I'll try. ;)
Perhaps you could resist the temptation to presume that you are the only one here whose thoughts are pure, unarguably correct and superior

I also believed my wife who knew Jill Blewett reasonably well at University: "Jill was a devout catholic, she'd never commit suicide."
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby redandblack » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:29 pm

Peace and respect, Psyber :D
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Leaping Lindner » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:47 pm

Psyber wrote:
I also believed my wife who knew Jill Blewett reasonably well at University: "Jill was a devout catholic, she'd never commit suicide."


Psyber what exactly are you suggesting here?
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:19 pm

redandblack wrote: Psyber, I don't suppose it has ever occurred to you that someone who has a different view from you might not necessarily be "radical''."


Did I just read that????

Maybe time for you to sit back and read who has been name calling on this forum. I disagree with Gozu and have been called a right winger and abused from the start. But that has always been part of the Labor Party arsenal in the political arena.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Psyber » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:21 pm

Leaping Lindner wrote:
Psyber wrote: I also believed my wife who knew Jill Blewett reasonably well at University: "Jill was a devout catholic, she'd never commit suicide."
Psyber what exactly are you suggesting here?
Simply that my wife and a couple of her friends, who all knew Jill Blewett at Adelaide University in those days did not believe she would commit suicide.
I'm not suggesting anything specific, as I have no additional source of information, beyond their apparent and clear conviction that she would not commit what would be a mortal sin in her faith.

There are mysteries out there though.
I did have some inside information about the Duncan murder from sources in the RAH at the time, about someone allegedly involved, who wasn't a Vice Squad detective but had friends who were.
I also know of a cover up about how Worrall got a favourable report to assist him getting released from prison before the Truro murders.
I can't say more about those though without dropping old friends into potential trouble over the process of the cover up.
[My wife and I also knew the Mykyta family whose daughter was one of the Truro victims, which made me a bit uncomfortable at the time.]
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Leaping Lindner » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:17 pm

Psyber wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:
Psyber wrote: I also believed my wife who knew Jill Blewett reasonably well at University: "Jill was a devout catholic, she'd never commit suicide."
Psyber what exactly are you suggesting here?
Simply that my wife and a couple of her friends, who all knew Jill Blewett at Adelaide University in those days did not believe she would commit suicide.
I'm not suggesting anything specific, as I have no additional source of information, beyond their apparent and clear conviction that she would not commit what would be a mortal sin in her faith.

There are mysteries out there though.
I did have some inside information about the Duncan murder from sources in the RAH at the time, about someone allegedly involved, who wasn't a Vice Squad detective but had friends who were.
I also know of a cover up about how Worrall got a favourable report to assist him getting released from prison before the Truro murders.
I can't say more about those though without dropping old friends into potential trouble over the process of the cover up.
[My wife and I also knew the Mykyta family whose daughter was one of the Truro victims, which made me a bit uncomfortable at the time.]


I don't think faith enters into the equation if a person is distraught enough to take their own life.
As for the murder of Dr George Duncan we all know who is responsible there and they got away with murder.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby redandblack » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:19 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
redandblack wrote: Psyber, I don't suppose it has ever occurred to you that someone who has a different view from you might not necessarily be "radical''."


Did I just read that????

Maybe time for you to sit back and read who has been name calling on this forum. I disagree with Gozu and have been called a right winger and abused from the start. But that has always been part of the Labor Party arsenal in the political arena.


Jimmy, I've just had a friendly debate with my friend, Psyber, which ended very civilly.

That quote was part of that debate and was answered in good spirit by Psyber. I wouldn't have a clue who Gozu is, so whatever Gozu says is nothing to do with me.

So, yes, you did read that. You must have unless you quoted it at random :?
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:39 pm

redandblack wrote:I have to laugh at right-wingers complaining about the Advertiser's bias to Labor. Until recently, the 'Tiser had been outrageously biased to the right for more than 50 years, a fact even Psyber would readily admit, I would guess.


redandblack wrote: How you could cast aspersions on its conclusions is way beyond me, but I suppose radicals have to hang on to something ;)



Well let me refresh your memory about your own name calling whilst you sit there with a nice warm glowing feeling
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby redandblack » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:04 pm

Surely you can do better than that, if that's all you can find.

You're offended by the term 'right-wingers' :shock:

It can't be 'radicals', because that's what I was originally called.

Obviously your use of 'comrades', etc, isn't generic or offensive.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Lazarus » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:24 pm

The cops will cover up regardless of who is in parliament. People tend to have to much faith in the police in my opinion. They tend to abuse whatever powers they are given.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Jimmy_041 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:08 pm

redandblack wrote:Surely you can do better than that, if that's all you can find.

You're offended by the term 'right-wingers' :shock:

It can't be 'radicals', because that's what I was originally called.

Obviously your use of 'comrades', etc, isn't generic or offensive.


I only bothered to go back a week on this subject to make my point that you are quite adept at name calling when people disagree with you. If you like, I could search some more to reinforce my point, but I dont think I need to

I am offended by being called a right winger because I am not, but I do disagree with some of the blatant one sided arguments posted on here, and when challenged, the poster abuses and refers to me as an extremist or should I say, radical. I regard being called a right winger as being called an extremist – something I am not.

But, of course, if you do not regard “right winger” as offensive, you would have no problem with the reference to “comrade”, would you? And if you do, then I made my point when I deliberately used the word
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Gozu » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:55 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
redandblack wrote: Psyber, I don't suppose it has ever occurred to you that someone who has a different view from you might not necessarily be "radical''."


Did I just read that????

Maybe time for you to sit back and read who has been name calling on this forum. I disagree with Gozu and have been called a right winger and abused from the start. But that has always been part of the Labor Party arsenal in the political arena.


You continue to amaze Jimmy, the sheer audacity of your posts. From the very moment I started posting in here you started saying I was Rann's PR person Jill Botrill or something and as far as I know you're the only person who continually gets personal by calling people idiots & worse. On some other forums you would've been banned a long time ago.

If you truly think being called a right-winger is abuse you've got rocks in your head.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Lazarus » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:34 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
redandblack wrote:Surely you can do better than that, if that's all you can find.

You're offended by the term 'right-wingers' :shock:

It can't be 'radicals', because that's what I was originally called.

Obviously your use of 'comrades', etc, isn't generic or offensive.


I only bothered to go back a week on this subject to make my point that you are quite adept at name calling when people disagree with you. If you like, I could search some more to reinforce my point, but I dont think I need to

I am offended by being called a right winger because I am not, but I do disagree with some of the blatant one sided arguments posted on here, and when challenged, the poster abuses and refers to me as an extremist or should I say, radical. I regard being called a right winger as being called an extremist – something I am not.

But, of course, if you do not regard “right winger” as offensive, you would have no problem with the reference to “comrade”, would you? And if you do, then I made my point when I deliberately used the word


Jimmy you get offended at comments even when they are true e.g. B grader.
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:48 am

Never got offended at that Shrek coz its true
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Gozu » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:34 pm

Internal memo from The Advertiser leaked to Crikey:

"Management often dictates an editorial line it wants reporters to take that is in conflict with what our contacts say. Much of a day can be wasted trying to find one person to say what management wants them to say. This is not reporting, it is fabricating news."


http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/12/mem ... dvertiser/
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:53 pm

I think we all agree that the standards at The Advertiser are terrible and that a one newspaper town is not healthy for anyone. Everyone begins cowering to them to avoid an editorial backlash. It always amuses me when they get something so terribly wrong and bash it on the front page, and eventually when the truth comes out, there is a small apology on the bottom of Page 10 or so
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Psyber » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:13 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I think we all agree that the standards at The Advertiser are terrible and that a one newspaper town is not healthy for anyone. Everyone begins cowering to them to avoid an editorial backlash. It always amuses me when they get something so terribly wrong and bash it on the front page, and eventually when the truth comes out, there is a small apology on the bottom of Page 10 or so
There could almost be a case for some form of public funding to support maintaining a genuinely independent alternative, so that there was not only the slant dictated by a proprietor with his personal agenda.
But, of course, then the government of the day may want control of what constituted the "independent" line.
Perhaps a grant for several small papers all promising to present a balanced view - hmm - that could get tricky too.... :?

Perhaps compulsory acquisition of The Advertiser's printing facilities and making them available to all comers at the same fee to produce several small competing newspapers, a bit like the federal government's approach to Telstra?
That's a bit iffy too... :(
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby oldfella » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:16 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I think we all agree that the standards at The Advertiser are terrible and that a one newspaper town is not healthy for anyone. Everyone begins cowering to them to avoid an editorial backlash. It always amuses me when they get something so terribly wrong and bash it on the front page, and eventually when the truth comes out, there is a small apology on the bottom of Page 10 or so


Should be law that apology takes up same amount of front page that original article did - big Advertiser bungle was thier reporting of trial for wife of guy who blew up a bloke in footy park car park - they attacked her day by day as a guilty party -- bit of bad luck when jury found her innocent.

Real danger is paper ownership is not state by state but owned nationally = perhaps that needs to be reviewed (brave political party that does it though)
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Re: Premier Mike Rann assaulted

Postby Leaping Lindner » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:04 pm

I think a lot of you on here seem to be confusing being in the Labor Party with being left wing. ;)
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