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what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:33 pm
by dee man
What makes a good coach?

And their for what makes a great coach?

It’s hard to tell the difference between these categories today for a number of reasons.

There is no written code for coaches. No right way or wrong way to go about the task. Their is no written law that says this is the way to go about your job or what is acceptable.

The reason being clubs don’t care how they get the results as long as the win/loss ratio is good and the coach has the same attitude to win at all costs and take any human responsability and care,the real father like qualities of life out of the equasion.

The days of a coach putting his ethics,morals and responsibilities at the forefront of his coaching,instead of his own agendas and future plans are nearly gone,very few coaches believe that when they take on the responsibility of coaching these young men its more than just the football,its life they teach!

We have so called great coaches and coaches whose self promoted legend is bigger than any others that are in the same game.

The majority of these coaches to be honest couldn’t coach a grey hound bus.

Why?

They get everything they want handed to them on a platter.

every dollar they need for themselves and their minions.

Every available recruit they need to build a side that Bob the Builder could coach and win.

Every expense met.

Without the money that a club must produce to get the players he needs, he becomes like everyone else.

Without the players who tag along behind him, he becomes like everyone else.

He requires the best equipment, the best trainers, best facilities ECT, and all these come at a price.

And of course, on top of this comes not only their price tag, but also the money for the mercenaries that travel with him.

Then again we have the other form of coach.

The one I will call the pretender.

The guy who applies for a position at one particular club but is really after that at either his club or another.

He uses the small time club by accepting a job based on lies.

Players he is about to bring with him, sponsors ,gameplans,a new look when in actual effect he is bring nothing but bad times to a club that has know idea at what is happening.

What they are being used for.

Because before you know it, he is back at his original club or to the one he was after all along.

Who’s to blame?

Of course these particular coaches are, BUT, the clubs are the ones who are more so in the wrong.

Selling their soul, their culture and their identity for a quick fix.

These results mean that the faceless yet egotistical men that run the clubs ,for five minutes are heros.

But in the end these results can be disasterous for the club.

Sending their clubs bankrupt.

Making it easy for these particular coaches to come and go as they please.

It’s easy to find out who they are.

Just look at their resent history and how many clubs they have been at.

Give me the coach who comes in and works with what he has, looks after the clubs kids and promotes the club and his players as much as himself.

That win/loss records are not everything, but the well being of his players, supporters, sponsors and club are his number one priority.

To teach not only about footy but life as well.

Now that’s a coach.

Then again, maybe I have no idea.

Maybe it’s just me.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:11 pm
by X Runna

Then again, maybe I have no idea.

Maybe it’s just me.


Correct


Can I have some of what you are smoking?

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:32 pm
by Rotter
dee man wrote:What makes a good coach? ///////////

Maybe it’s just me.
Can you type anymore sh%t than what you have? Is there a chance you might actually make a point?

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:00 am
by LaughingKookaburra
Keep it simple. Unlike that post.........I read the first few lines and yawned.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:48 am
by NO-MERCY
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Keep it simple. Unlike that post.........I read the first few lines and yawned.



Less is best!

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:14 am
by zedman
well i must be in the minority then because i think its a great post..you need to read the whole post LK..dee man has made numerous good points in the second half of the post..sucker clubs and their vampire coaches..supposed quick fixes chosen instead of an agenda for long term success..i can think of a few examples very easily..credit to a club like hectorville who had the same coach for a while now but never panicked when they didnt get immediate success..and they got the chocolates this year and now hes a "great" coach :)

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:35 am
by aceman
dee man wrote:What makes a good coach?

And their for what makes a great coach?

It’s hard to tell the difference between these categories today for a number of reasons.

There is no written code for coaches. No right way or wrong way to go about the task. Their is no written law that says this is the way to go about your job or what is acceptable.

The reason being clubs don’t care how they get the results as long as the win/loss ratio is good and the coach has the same attitude to win at all costs and take any human responsability and care,the real father like qualities of life out of the equasion.

The days of a coach putting his ethics,morals and responsibilities at the forefront of his coaching,instead of his own agendas and future plans are nearly gone,very few coaches believe that when they take on the responsibility of coaching these young men its more than just the football,its life they teach!

We have so called great coaches and coaches whose self promoted legend is bigger than any others that are in the same game.

The majority of these coaches to be honest couldn’t coach a grey hound bus.

Why?

They get everything they want handed to them on a platter.

every dollar they need for themselves and their minions.

Every available recruit they need to build a side that Bob the Builder could coach and win.

Every expense met.

Without the money that a club must produce to get the players he needs, he becomes like everyone else.

Without the players who tag along behind him, he becomes like everyone else.

He requires the best equipment, the best trainers, best facilities ECT, and all these come at a price.

And of course, on top of this comes not only their price tag, but also the money for the mercenaries that travel with him.

Then again we have the other form of coach.

The one I will call the pretender.

The guy who applies for a position at one particular club but is really after that at either his club or another.

He uses the small time club by accepting a job based on lies.

Players he is about to bring with him, sponsors ,gameplans,a new look when in actual effect he is bring nothing but bad times to a club that has know idea at what is happening.

What they are being used for.

Because before you know it, he is back at his original club or to the one he was after all along.

Who’s to blame?

Of course these particular coaches are, BUT, the clubs are the ones who are more so in the wrong.

Selling their soul, their culture and their identity for a quick fix.

These results mean that the faceless yet egotistical men that run the clubs ,for five minutes are heros.

But in the end these results can be disasterous for the club.

Sending their clubs bankrupt.

Making it easy for these particular coaches to come and go as they please.

It’s easy to find out who they are.

Just look at their resent history and how many clubs they have been at.

Give me the coach who comes in and works with what he has, looks after the clubs kids and promotes the club and his players as much as himself.

That win/loss records are not everything, but the well being of his players, supporters, sponsors and club are his number one priority.

To teach not only about footy but life as well.

Now that’s a coach.

Then again, maybe I have no idea.

Maybe it’s just me.



Almost as much content as the "Magna Carta" and probably makes almost as much sense.
Which category do you fit in?

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:08 am
by BlueRose
Ace, the Magna Carta is probably the most influential document of all time!

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:17 am
by Punk Rooster
i think the original post is a good one- those who can't read were the ones who bagged it...

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:18 pm
by aceman
BlueRose wrote:Ace, the Magna Carta is probably the most influential document of all time!




What??????????? Did you forget something BR?

The Holy Bible wins that one, surely, or don't you rate that?

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:15 pm
by BlueRose
Knew someone would say that.

Bible doesn't do much for me. My morals and the morals of many cultures developped independently from it.

Magna Carta is the basis for the form of government we know and of much of Brittish history.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:34 pm
by aceman
A very understanding and patient wife!

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:59 pm
by shoe boy
:shock:

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:14 pm
by One Eyed
So true aceman

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:53 pm
by CoverKing
NO-MERCY wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Keep it simple. Unlike that post.........I read the first few lines and yawned.



Less is best!


THe question was, what makes a good coach! Not is your motto that makes you a continual failure as a coach!

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:33 am
by Choccies
So what does make a good coach ??

I'm dipping my feet in the coaching pond for the first time in 2010 and looking forward to it. As a player I always appreciated honesty and feedback from my coach and this helped me understand my role in the team. I don't think ranting and raving inspires anyone because in the lower divisions or grades this tends to alienate people rather than inspire them. I always appreciated a one-on-one talk to let me know how I was going and where I should improve and I'll try take this theory into my coaching next year. Some people thrive with responsibility and some don't so I guess knowing where to position this responsibility makes someone a good coach also. Coaches need to teach players how to play positions also, not just how to kick, mark and handball etc. Being a good player of a certain position doesn't necessarily make you a good player in another position so working out who thrives best in what role is also a challenge for a good coach.

One thing I have learned quickly after 3 weeks is that you gain alot of friends very quickly as a coach but as soon as you can't squeeze them all into 21 positions come round 1 I'm sure a few of them will drop off. ;)

But will I make a good coach ? Who knows, but like my players I will try take all feedback on board and do what I can to help our club and my team be successful.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:09 am
by One Eyed
Choccies still time to pull out.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:15 am
by Choccies
One Eyed wrote:Choccies still time to pull out.


That's what Mrs Choccies says.....

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:25 pm
by whufc
winning games.

Re: what makes a good coach?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:48 pm
by aceman
aceman wrote:A very understanding and patient wife!



And a bit of footy 'nouse' doesn't go astray either!