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[nuggety goodness]

AFL = 5
State leagues ie SANFL = 4
State leagues Reserves/SAAFL D1-3 = 3
SAAFL D4-7 = 2
? = 1
ANY B grader/Former player = 0
Junior's from your own club = -1

this is my understanding. Just not sure where they have put the country comps...

can someone fill this out properly to clarify it all?!?

3 points;
AFLNT, AFLNSW/ACT, AFLQ & AFLTAS
Reserves of WAFL, SANFL & AFLVIC
· South Australian Amateur Football League – Div 1 2 3
· Adelaide Plains Football League
· Barossa Light and Gawler Football League
· Great Flinders Football League
· Great Southern Football League
· Hills Football League
· Kowree Naracoorte Tatiara Football League
· Mid South Eastern Football League
· Northern Areas Football Association
· North Eastern Football League
· Port Lincoln Football League
· Riverland Football League
· River Murray Football League
· Southern Football League
· Spencer Gulf Football League
· Western Border Football league
· Whyalla Football League
· Yorke Peninsula Football League

2 points;
· South Australian Amateur Football League – others
· Broken Hill Football League
· Eastern Eyre Football League
· Far West Football League
· Kangaroo Island Football League
· Mallee Football League
· Mid Murray Football Association
· Mid West Football League
· Riveland Football League – Independents
· Woomera and Districts Football League
· Any other Senior competition in Australia

According to this there are no 1 point leagues... however

- Deduct one (1) point if the player has not played for a Senior Team of a Club in a Category One League or Category Two League in the previous season.

- Deduct one (1) point for each season since the player last played for a senior team of a Club in a Category One League or a Category Two League.

To me, that says a B Grader from 2010 would be worth points... (This is from the GSFL page so i'm not sure if they have adopted it themsleves or this is across the board...)

[zedman]

AFL = 5
State leagues ie SANFL = 4
State leagues Reserves/SAAFL D1-3 = 3
SAAFL D4-7 = 2
? = 1
ANY B grader/Former player = 0
Junior's from your own club = -1

this is my understanding. Just not sure where they have put the country comps...

can someone fill this out properly to clarify it all?!?

Just my oppinion but 3 points seems a bit rich for a Div 1-3 considering a bloke who played 8 league games and 9 reserves games for a league club would be worth the same amount of points. i reckon 2 points for div 1-3 and 1 point for lower divs would be more resonable, if this is the case with 3 points for div 1-3 and 2 points for div 4 and down players, a few clubs are going to be really close to exceeding the points allocated

Was any alternative put forward? like e.g
Div 1-2 = 3
Div 3-5 = 2
Div 6-7 = 1

How much difference is there between SANFL Reserves and Div 1 or 2?

Also from the original post, does anybody know which country leagues will be worth what?!?

You can see the full document online just google it.

All amatuer/country leagues are divided into 2. One set is worth 3 points (including SAAFL Div1-3) and one set is worth 2 points (including SAAFL div 4-7)

link?

[Mr Beefy]

try this

http://www.sanfl.com.au/files/_system/File/PDFs/Community%20Football/Community%20Football%20League%20Regulations%20Updated%20October%202010(1).pdf

[FOURTH ESTATE]

[/quote]

3 points;
AFLNT, AFLNSW/ACT, AFLQ & AFLTAS
Reserves of WAFL, SANFL & AFLVIC
· South Australian Amateur Football League – Div 1 2 3
· Adelaide Plains Football League
· Barossa Light and Gawler Football League
· Great Flinders Football League
· Great Southern Football League
· Hills Football League
· Kowree Naracoorte Tatiara Football League
· Mid South Eastern Football League
· Northern Areas Football Association
· North Eastern Football League
· Port Lincoln Football League
· Riverland Football League
· River Murray Football League
· Southern Football League
· Spencer Gulf Football League
· Western Border Football league
· Whyalla Football League
· Yorke Peninsula Football League

2 points;
· South Australian Amateur Football League – others
· Broken Hill Football League
· Eastern Eyre Football League
· Far West Football League
· Kangaroo Island Football League
· Mallee Football League
· Mid Murray Football Association
· Mid West Football League
· Riveland Football League – Independents
· Woomera and Districts Football League
· Any other Senior competition in Australia

[/quote]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????

[Footy Smart]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????

So obviously your club will struggle to come under the 15 point allowance? i believe your almost double the allowance

To me, the guidelines seem reasonably fair to all and self explanitory, with the odd exception needing clarification (as all policies/procedures need from time to time)

For all SAAFL recruits to be worth 1 pt would mean the points system was a waste of time. YOu could have a div 4 club with heaps of cash recruit 15 Div 1 players.... whats the point of that? A blind man could see that wouldnt work.

Hardly think its a stuff up. Yes in a perfect world additional time would be given to clubs however its my understanding that the CFB gave the SAAFL little option.

[bandar]

I wouldn't go by that list either there has definitely been changes Mallee is CAT 1 now and Hills Country has been put in as CAT 2.

That is from the info handed out most recently.

[Mr Beefy]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????

So obviously your club will struggle to come under the 15 point allowance? i believe your almost double the allowance

To me, the guidelines seem reasonably fair to all and self explanitory, with the odd exception needing clarification (as all policies/procedures need from time to time)

For all SAAFL recruits to be worth 1 pt would mean the points system was a waste of time. YOu could have a div 4 club with heaps of cash recruit 15 Div 1 players.... whats the point of that? A blind man could see that wouldnt work.

Hardly think its a stuff up. Yes in a perfect world additional time would be given to clubs however its my understanding that the CFB gave the SAAFL little option.

What info has been sat on since May?

[zedman]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????

So obviously your club will struggle to come under the 15 point allowance? i believe your almost double the allowance

To me, the guidelines seem reasonably fair to all and self explanitory, with the odd exception needing clarification (as all policies/procedures need from time to time)

For all SAAFL recruits to be worth 1 pt would mean the points system was a waste of time. YOu could have a div 4 club with heaps of cash recruit 15 Div 1 players.... whats the point of that? A blind man could see that wouldnt work.

Hardly think its a stuff up. Yes in a perfect world additional time would be given to clubs however its my understanding that the CFB gave the SAAFL little option.

how does having 1 point for saafl recruiting change anything with other leagues?..it doesnt..we are only doing this because we were blackmailed by the CFL..4th estate is quite right..to bring it in now after or during everyones recruiting is just bs..it was meant to be trialled for another 2 years..why the change?..its called blackmail..intra league transfers should be 1 point..this league has survived a hundred years not needing a point system..

[Mr Beefy]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????

So obviously your club will struggle to come under the 15 point allowance? i believe your almost double the allowance

To me, the guidelines seem reasonably fair to all and self explanitory, with the odd exception needing clarification (as all policies/procedures need from time to time)

For all SAAFL recruits to be worth 1 pt would mean the points system was a waste of time. YOu could have a div 4 club with heaps of cash recruit 15 Div 1 players.... whats the point of that? A blind man could see that wouldnt work.

Hardly think its a stuff up. Yes in a perfect world additional time would be given to clubs however its my understanding that the CFB gave the SAAFL little option.

how does having 1 point for saafl recruiting change anything with other leagues?..it doesnt..we are only doing this because we were blackmailed by the CFL..4th estate is quite right..to bring it in now after or during everyones recruiting is just bs..it was meant to be trialled for another 2 years..why the change?..its called blackmail..intra league transfers should be 1 point..this league has survived a hundred years not needing a point system..

Now that is crap. The clubs voted not to have 1 point transfers after being told that it was already approved to go that way.

[Pag]

If clubs had read the document, it clearly stated what leagues were worth what. Surely you would go and recruit off that basis, as in the document it stated SAAFL Div 1-3 worth three and Div 4-7 worth one. That document has been out for ages.

[Footy Smart]

how does having 1 point for saafl recruiting change anything with other leagues?..it doesnt..we are only doing this because we were blackmailed by the CFL..4th estate is quite right..to bring it in now after or during everyones recruiting is just bs..it was meant to be trialled for another 2 years..why the change?..its called blackmail..intra league transfers should be 1 point..this league has survived a hundred years not needing a point system

Its not about other leagues, its about the integrity of the SAAFL and the fact that some clubs have a distinct advantage (due to a number of reasons, some controlled, some not). To say 'the league has survived a hundred years not needing the point system' is an out dated/incorrect statement. The game today is totally different to years gone by and the off field system needs to move with it. Clubs, players, coaches etc have all changed their morals, processes and the clubs today are totally different to 100 years ago, hence the required change.

As for Blackmail, in some way shape or form the SAAFLs hand was forced, however the deciding votes was the clubs and they voted it in. The minority, like yourself and 4th estate who have a clear issue with how and by who the SAAFL need to accept it.

Its happened now, deal with it!

[zedman]

did or did not the clubs get told 3-4 weeks ago at the meeting that if they didnt bring in the points system now all other leagues would rate our players at zero???? "if i dont get a yes vote tonight they will all be rated zero"

that is blackmail..it was meant to be trialled for another 2 years.. why the change?answer some questions instead of sounding so smug at other clubs problems..and pag..the fact it was out since may means nothing..it wasnt coming in for another 2 years remember??????..sheesh..then we get told 4 weeks ago its in NOW!

of course we have to deal with it..doesnt mean i have to like it or agree with it FS..i think you are really highlighting your own clubs personal beefs at losing players..and using this as a way to stop it..what was so broken that had to be fixed?

[Footy Smart]

of course we have to deal with it..doesnt mean i have to like it or agree with it FS..i think you are really highlighting your own clubs personal beefs at losing players..and using this as a way to stop it..what was so broken that had to be fixed?

Agreed you dont have to like it, its just the constant SAAFL bashing that goes on. Some unjustifed IMO. I have been to delegates meetings and seen club delegates over react and attack the SAAFL staf etc, personally in some cases and if the club members knew the way some acted they would be ashamed/embaraced.

And yes my personal club has no issue with the system as we promote our juniors and give them opportunities throughout the grades.

[piccachu]

Sorry if these questions have already been answered but how are points allocated under these circumstances,

A) if a player has been playing at a league club at junior levell is signed with another Amatuer club but doesnt play a senior game with them how many points would they be worth

B) if a player was to have a rest from the game for example 1 or 2 years what would there points be worth

[Free Kick For]

Not sure on the juniors, but if a player has 2 years rest from the game he would be worth 0 points

[zedman]

i am not a SAAFL basher FS..so dont even think of moving it in that direction..now what about some answers to serious questions?

what was so broken that had to be fixed?

why have we given up the extra 2 year trial period?

did or did not the delegates get told they had to vote it in or all our players would be rated at zero by other leagues?

why do we have to have tiered system in our own league?

how is a club with no juniors or school connections supposed to get itself out of hole and improve its playing stocks?

thanks..

and yeah..the delegates voted it in..only after they had the crap scared out of them with stories of how other leagues would offer ridiculous amounts to saafl players to recruit them..

[Blue Boy]

3 points;
AFLNT, AFLNSW/ACT, AFLQ & AFLTAS
Reserves of WAFL, SANFL & AFLVIC
· South Australian Amateur Football League – Div 1 2 3
· Adelaide Plains Football League
· Barossa Light and Gawler Football League
· Great Flinders Football League
· Great Southern Football League
· Hills Football League
· Kowree Naracoorte Tatiara Football League
· Mid South Eastern Football League
· Northern Areas Football Association
· North Eastern Football League
· Port Lincoln Football League
· Riverland Football League
· River Murray Football League
· Southern Football League
· Spencer Gulf Football League
· Western Border Football league
· Whyalla Football League
· Yorke Peninsula Football League

2 points;
· South Australian Amateur Football League – others
· Broken Hill Football League
· Eastern Eyre Football League
· Far West Football League
· Kangaroo Island Football League
· Mallee Football League
· Mid Murray Football Association
· Mid West Football League
· Riveland Football League – Independents
· Woomera and Districts Football League
· Any other Senior competition in Australia

[/quote]

You can not be serious that some of those leagues are classed as Cat 1? They wouldn't hold a candle against the SAAFL.

There are still to many loop holes & irregularities with this system.

We were all led to believe that it was going to be 1pt for all SAAFL players then last night we do a 180 degree turn.

I think will you find out that most clubs after they take back to thier clubs what happened last night a few football diectors and coaches and Boards will hit the roof and the SAAFL will be flooded with email and faxes looking for variations to the ruling. Mark my words last night was a total stuff up & Sham.

The SAAFL sat on this info since May and never passed it on to the clubs then after all clubs have done thier recuiting for 2011 the guidlines change. To be doing this in November with less than 1 months notice was disgraceful and appalling.

Just who was in charge of this STUFF UP???????????????????????????????????[/quote]


Wasnt that the same speach / rant you gave last night ???

[mypaddock]

i am not a SAAFL basher FS..so dont even think of moving it in that direction..now what about some answers to serious questions?

what was so broken that had to be fixed?

why have we given up the extra 2 year trial period?

did or did not the delegates get told they had to vote it in or all our players would be rated at zero by other leagues?

why do we have to have tiered system in our own league?

how is a club with no juniors or school connections supposed to get itself out of hole and improve its playing stocks?

thanks..

and yeah..the delegates voted it in..only after they had the crap scared out of them with stories of how other leagues would offer ridiculous amounts to saafl players to recruit them..

Which was happening for years before any points system was introduced into other leagues..

[Footy Smart]

i am not a SAAFL basher FS..so dont even think of moving it in that direction..

now what about some answers to serious questions?

Good

what was so broken that had to be fixed?

The game has changed, external infuences affecting players decisions on where to play and no system allows other clubs to poach them with ease

why have we given up the extra 2 year trial period?
did or did not the delegates get told they had to vote it in or all our players would be rated at zero by other leagues?

Your main gripe is that you feel the SAAFL has been blackmailed? As i said, to an extent they have been however its not un reasonable request in 98% of the clubs cases IMO

Could SAAFL $afford$ not to implement it?

why do we have to have tiered system in our own league?

Still makes it very hard for lower clubs to comepete with the higher/bigger and $$ up clubs.

how is a club with no juniors or school connections supposed to get itself out of hole and improve its playing stocks?

How many clubs has no juniors or school connections? Ovingham? allowances are made for special circumstance


Zed its not a slinging match im trying to get into either i think a few people are slightly over reacting and over estimating the impact of the points system.....

Dont resist change people

[Pag]

i am not a SAAFL basher FS..so dont even think of moving it in that direction..

now what about some answers to serious questions?

Good

what was so broken that had to be fixed?

The game has changed, external infuences affecting players decisions on where to play and no system allows other clubs to poach them with ease

why have we given up the extra 2 year trial period?
did or did not the delegates get told they had to vote it in or all our players would be rated at zero by other leagues?

Your main gripe is that you feel the SAAFL has been blackmailed? As i said, to an extent they have been however its not un reasonable request in 98% of the clubs cases IMO

Could SAAFL $afford$ not to implement it?

why do we have to have tiered system in our own league?

Still makes it very hard for lower clubs to comepete with the higher/bigger and $$ up clubs.

how is a club with no juniors or school connections supposed to get itself out of hole and improve its playing stocks?

How many clubs has no juniors or school connections? Ovingham? allowances are made for special circumstance


Zed its not a slinging match im trying to get into either i think a few people are slightly over reacting and over estimating the impact of the points system.....

Dont resist change people

I'm with FS all the way here, I think the points system wil be an excellent concept, not just in the SAAFL, but all over the state. It will be nice to know that if our club is going to lose players to clubs with coin, that they may at least think twice with players having the points value attached. And as a club that promotes juniors, I think it will only benefit us, as well as the 95% of other SAAFL clubs with a junior set-up.

Give it a chance people.