Point of Principle

[JS SPORTS]

my opinion on this topic is, the club doesn't owe a thing. you didn't have to drive 100kms to meet this bloke, you chose to, and you chose to have the meeting at a pub and have a meal thinkin full well the club would reimburse you so it's your own fault. If you knew you had to pay for it would you have done the same thing?!?

thinkin this way would mean that everytime i called a mate tryin to recruit them the club would have to reimburse me for the phone call, i should send them part of my internet bill cos i use that to recruit players...


How about looking at the other side of the coin in this.

If the club was aware of what was happening,i.e. a new recruit was on the horizon and it may mean someone going half distance to meet him, why didn't/wouldn't the club say to the Footy Director & Coach, meet him at ..........., shout him a feed and a beer and see if you can swing the deal.
I would almost bet my goolies that's how most clubs would approach it under those circumstances, most certainly that would be the way I would want it to be if I were running a footy club.
I suggest most senior club coaches nowadays get some form of reimbursement for phone calls or they use the phone at the club, surely.

[JS SPORTS]

You gonna pay my petrol money and a meal each week?

I reckon by your bottom club's name, you'd probably get meals courtesy of the taxpayers and petrol you'd have to pinch being a Cadell-ite;

Just joking, could not let that one go thru to the keeper.

[Mr Magoo]

Hey CC
Legal Tender
If you read this perhaps you may understand what I was trying to put across.
Yes You can pay for your Plasma with 50c pieces but the retailer CAN say no (Go to Reynella and play and if you are any good, get one for free by the way)


LEGAL TENDER
The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines legal tender as “currency that cannot legally be refused in payment of debt (usually up to a limited amount for baser coins, etc.)”.

It is the Bank’s understanding that, although Australian currency has legal tender status, it does not necessarily have to be used in transactions and that refusal to accept payment in legal tender notes and coins is not unlawful. This is the case even where an existing debt is involved. However, a refusal to accept legal tender in payment of an existing debt, where no other means of payment/settlement has been specified in advance, conceivably could have consequences in legal proceedings, i.e. the creditor may be unable to enforce payment in any other form.

It appears that the provider of goods or services is at liberty to set the commercial terms upon which payment will take place before the “contract” is entered into. For example, some toll collection points indicate by signs that they will not accept low denomination coins. If a provider of goods or services specifies other means of payment prior to the contract, then there is usually no obligation for legal tender to be accepted as payment.

According to the Reserve Bank Act 1959, Australian notes are legal tender. According to the Currency Act 1965, coins are legal tender for payment of amounts which are limited as follows:

not exceeding 20c if 1c and/or 2c coins are offered (however, it should be noted that these coins have been withdrawn from circulation but are still legal tender);
not exceeding $5 if any of 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c coins are offered;
not exceeding 10 times the face value if coins in the range 50c to $10 inclusive are offered; and
to any value if coins of value greater than $10 are offered.
These general comments are offered only as a guide and should not be taken as legal advice. If further clarification is required, you should obtain legal advice.

This is not my stupid idea..it is the Reserve Bank's rules

[aceman]

Hey CC
Legal Tender
If you read this perhaps you may understand what I was trying to put across.
Yes You can pay for your Plasma with 50c pieces but the retailer CAN say no (Go to Reynella and play and if you are any good, get one for free by the way)


LEGAL TENDER
The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines legal tender as “currency that cannot legally be refused in payment of debt (usually up to a limited amount for baser coins, etc.)”.

It is the Bank’s understanding that, although Australian currency has legal tender status, it does not necessarily have to be used in transactions and that refusal to accept payment in legal tender notes and coins is not unlawful. This is the case even where an existing debt is involved. However, a refusal to accept legal tender in payment of an existing debt, where no other means of payment/settlement has been specified in advance, conceivably could have consequences in legal proceedings, i.e. the creditor may be unable to enforce payment in any other form.

It appears that the provider of goods or services is at liberty to set the commercial terms upon which payment will take place before the “contract” is entered into. For example, some toll collection points indicate by signs that they will not accept low denomination coins. If a provider of goods or services specifies other means of payment prior to the contract, then there is usually no obligation for legal tender to be accepted as payment.

According to the Reserve Bank Act 1959, Australian notes are legal tender. According to the Currency Act 1965, coins are legal tender for payment of amounts which are limited as follows:

not exceeding 20c if 1c and/or 2c coins are offered (however, it should be noted that these coins have been withdrawn from circulation but are still legal tender);
not exceeding $5 if any of 5c, 10c, 20c and 50c coins are offered;
not exceeding 10 times the face value if coins in the range 50c to $10 inclusive are offered; and
to any value if coins of value greater than $10 are offered.
These general comments are offered only as a guide and should not be taken as legal advice. If further clarification is required, you should obtain legal advice.

This is not my stupid idea..it is the Reserve Bank's rules

MM, which bank????????? If that's all the Wineys are offering, I won't bother thanks!

[Media Park]

he should be reimbirsed....

should also be a paid position...

[Iron Fist]

i think you're fightin the wrong battle ace... or just trying to divert attention off the real topic maybe...

No NG, no reason to try and divert attention away from this, would love to know what miserable person/club would even consider this action towards someone who volunteers their time and energy to do what he considers needs to be done to help the club.
In fact this needs all the advertising and attention it can get to maybe make the club sit up and say, "maybe we didn't handle this in the best interest of all concerned" with our bureaucratic bungling and apologise whole heartedly to the bloke concerned.
I still reckon if Mr Magoo is the main man, then Waldo(my boy) has a no chance when he grows up!

i was actually talkin about this kinda stuff last night with one of our recruits, a good mate of mine outside of footy too. we both come from the country and everyone is a volunteer. when you play in town everyone wants to be paid for anything they do... whereas in the country people do it more for the love of the club and the game. broadly speaking that is... trainers, team managers, assistants, canteen ladies... all did it for free up home but everyone wants cash down here... kinda sad. so it seems it's not just players that are chasin the coin too, i've heard of many folks jumpin ship for cash...

my opinion on this topic is, the club doesn't owe a thing. you didn't have to drive 100kms to meet this bloke, you chose to, and you chose to have the meeting at a pub and have a meal thinkin full well the club would reimburse you so it's your own fault. If you knew you had to pay for it would you have done the same thing?!?

thinkin this way would mean that everytime i called a mate tryin to recruit them the club would have to reimburse me for the phone call, i should send them part of my internet bill cos i use that to recruit players...

whatever happened to volunteers i say!?!

volunteers are very much around the club still nuggety
I think the bloke should have been reimbursed in some way
the bloke hasnt put in a invoice for 3 hours work, which it would have been at least to travel the 100km, have a feed and a few beers!
if he wasnt reimbursed, then his meal on sat night during the year should be free once or twice and he should have a few beers on the house at the club!

[LaughingKookaburra]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

[aceman]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

I wouldn't go assuming anything around ol' Magoo, he's a mean pr^ck! Could make an Ass out of U & me

[whufc]

If your willing to put in that much effort and only ask for the meals to be reinbursed there is probably a job for you at my soccer club mate.

[JS SPORTS]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

I wouldn't go assuming anything around ol' Magoo, he's a mean pr^ck! Could make an Ass out of U & me

Isn't it strange that Magoo's gone missing, probably dining out on his footy club expense account!

[The Yetti]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

I wouldn't go assuming anything around ol' Magoo, he's a mean pr^ck! Could make an Ass out of U & me

Isn't it strange that Magoo's gone missing, probably dining out on his footy club expense account!

Hey Cockeyed Chook.
You are winding me up again!! I have been dining out, but on my Corporate expense account. Every single claim is authorised in Sydney, as well as a few knockbacks, that I then justify. Perhaps that is why I am so Mean. After 20 years of having every item that we purchase in SA, having to be approved by the wise men in the east, I do understand most of the issues of claiming expenses.

[Mr Magoo]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

I wouldn't go assuming anything around ol' Magoo, he's a mean pr^ck! Could make an Ass out of U & me

Isn't it strange that Magoo's gone missing, probably dining out on his footy club expense account!

Hey Cockeyed Chook.
You are winding me up again!! I have been dining out, but on my Corporate expense account. Every single claim is authorised in Sydney, as well as a few knockbacks, that I then justify. Perhaps that is why I am so Mean. After 20 years of having every item that we purchase in SA, having to be approved by the wise men in the east, I do understand most of the issues of claiming expenses.

Thanks for your support TY
The old CC has been hammering me a bit on expenses
The clowns in the east are idiots at times

[JS SPORTS]

Think a fair assumption is that If a bloke lives 100kms away the club is going to pay him a healthy sum to play for the club. So if they are willing to pay for his services but will not pay for the meal(s) and drinks it kind off baffles me..... I knew it was'nt Porter in question at the start of the link, does not sound like him at all to miss a meeting like that. Sensational coach and bloke.

I wouldn't go assuming anything around ol' Magoo, he's a mean pr^ck! Could make an Ass out of U & me

Isn't it strange that Magoo's gone missing, probably dining out on his footy club expense account!

Good onya Magoo, doing it by the book as it should be. Well done! Incidentally, watch the 'old' jokes, not really in that category yet!

Your friend Yetti, where does he fit in this? Is he the main man at the start of this saga, have you been unfairly copping the brunt of his initial decision?
Maybe it's all falling into place. Tell him not to take life too seriously, running a footy club is not easy and you've really got to learn to be "thick skinned" or you'll go silly.

[ForTheLoveOfFooty]

Looking for some genuine answers to a tricky question.

Scenario is this:
A Grade coach asks the football director to go with him to interview a possible recruit. At short notice the A Grade Coach can’t make it, so seconds the B Grade Coach to attend.

Player lives 100 kms from the interviewing club, so agree to meet half way. Logical place was a pub as it was a dinner time meeting, and of course the club can’t appear to be ‘tight fisted’ to the prospective player.

The UNPAID football director pays for the meal (1 course only, nice but basic, just under $60.00 all up) and gets a receipt from the pub to lodge with the club.

Aside from the 3.5 hours out of his time, the $20.00 in petrol and the $30.00 for the two rounds of drinks he bought – the football director submitted the receipt for the meal only, but it was declined with the statement in the vein of “it was not a genuine football expense”.

Question of principle: Should the club reimburse the unpaid football director for the meal?

What is this club thinking? The person/persons who made this decision should be embarrassed and so should the club. Perhaps they would have preferred their footy director offered to meet the player by the side of the road with a glass of water and a cracker..... bet that would have got him in........ I would imagine most clubs would not have a prob with what is OBVIOUSLY a FOOTBALL EXPENCE. But it doesn't just happen down south heard a similar story bout a Nth'n Suburbs club recently.

[chics]

I to have been in the same boat. After holding a position on the board and interviewing plenty of players and potential sponsors, over a 3-6mth period prior to the following season I would have thought i would have been out of pocket at least $500 over this period. So i went to the board not asking for a refund, but asking that in the future if i was to meet a player / sponsor at the club, was i able to run a small tab and buy potentials a beer and a meal if needed. Board more than happy to comply and i never once compromised the account so win / win for everyone.

[JS SPORTS]

I to have been in the same boat. After holding a position on the board and interviewing plenty of players and potential sponsors, over a 3-6mth period prior to the following season I would have thought i would have been out of pocket at least $500 over this period. So i went to the board not asking for a refund, but asking that in the future if i was to meet a player / sponsor at the club, was i able to run a small tab and buy potentials a beer and a meal if needed. Board more than happy to comply and i never once compromised the account so win / win for everyone.

You beauty Chics, another vote for common sense! No bureaucratic bullsh*t and that's how it should be!

[the big bang]

What makes you think that, for God's sake? Are you telling me that if I wanted to purchase a Plasma TV priced at $4K and went to the Good Guys with the money all in 50 cent pieces, apart from the bag being that heavy I'd probably need a 'sack truck' they would not accept the money because it's not legal tender?
Where on earth did you get that from???????????
Sh^t, they'd probably give me a discount for paying cash,damn sure they wouldn't turn me away because of your stupid idea!

i think you're fightin the wrong battle ace... or just trying to divert attention off the real topic maybe...

i think i've heard that that is the law too. not sure on the amount, but i think i have heard something like it