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[zedman]

spill it free_kick or give us a clue

[LaughingKookaburra]

I have a question. Anybody feel free to set me straight if I am incorrect.
With OS sides. Is there any monitoring in placefrom the SAAFL where these clubs will have to assist both financially/administration wise to assist the current schollars to develop and play for the OS sides.
I'd find it very unfair on district clubs if they fund their junior sides and assist in their development and still get the same benefits of those in Schollars circles who run the senior club and are lucky enough to benefit from a program which is developed and paid for by the schools and then get the 0 point benefit.
Do OS sides assist already? If the player has played for a district club aswell as school do the district club get the benefit of doubt, because I would find it VERY unfair if both clubs get the option to play him on 0 points and all the OS side did was sent out a news letter after he finished school.

[S Demon]

I assume C grade sides aren't effected by the points system?

Hypothetical situation: Div 7 Mawson Lakes A grade v TTG C Grade, Round 18 - winner makes the finals
TTG A's can't make the finals and are safe from relegation, B Grade sitting 2 games clear on top

Mawson Lakes will have a limit of 15 points in this game. What's to stop TTG playing 4-5 x A graders (apart from their integrity) who just for argument's sake are worth over 15pts in the Agrade. Would it be possible for them to do this.

(Just using TTG purely as a hypothetical. Same situation could apply to SHOC, Modbury, Athelstone...)

[Hellboy]

I have a question. Anybody feel free to set me straight if I am incorrect.
With OS sides. Is there any monitoring in placefrom the SAAFL where these clubs will have to assist both financially/administration wise to assist the current schollars to develop and play for the OS sides.
I'd find it very unfair on district clubs if they fund their junior sides and assist in their development and still get the same benefits of those in Schollars circles who run the senior club and are lucky enough to benefit from a program which is developed and paid for by the schools and then get the 0 point benefit.
Do OS sides assist already? If the player has played for a district club aswell as school do the district club get the benefit of doubt, because I would find it VERY unfair if both clubs get the option to play him on 0 points and all the OS side did was sent out a news letter after he finished school.

I'm sure my old man might think some of the hundred grand he paid to send me through school might have gone into football

Nice try but schoolkids are zero points for everyone not just for their old scholars or district sides

Maybe you could try to bring back SAFA if you dont like the OS sides

[Jimmy_041]

He's right LK - all juniors, including yours, are zero points for everyone until they sign with their first senior club

[Jimmy_041]

I assume C grade sides aren't effected by the points system?

Hypothetical situation: Div 7 Mawson Lakes A grade v TTG C Grade, Round 18 - winner makes the finals
TTG A's can't make the finals and are safe from relegation, B Grade sitting 2 games clear on top

Mawson Lakes will have a limit of 15 points in this game. What's to stop TTG playing 4-5 x A graders (apart from their integrity) who just for argument's sake are worth over 15pts in the Agrade. Would it be possible for them to do this.

(Just using TTG purely as a hypothetical. Same situation could apply to SHOC, Modbury, Athelstone...)

Hey SD

You are correct - the Mossies will have 15 points but no points apply for a C Grade team

To your other question, refer to the Rules & Regs [url]tinyurl.com/25beonk[/url]

34.2 The following conditions shall apply for players when Member Clubs have more than one team participating in the major round:
(a) There is free interchange of players between consecutively graded Divisions subject to player’s eligibility.
(b) A Member Club may promote a player from a team in a lower Division to a team in a higher Division for any major round match.
(c) A player cannot play in a lower Division final after having played in a higher Division final in the same major round of matches. (Under 17/18 Divisions exempted)

34.3 If a Member Club’s higher Division team is no longer playing in the major round:
(a) A player may return to the lower Division for the remainder of any major round matches provided such player played the majority of his minor round matches for the season in the lower Division.
(b) A player who has not participated in any of his Member Club’s major round matches, must have played a minimum of one game in the lower Division during the minor round to play in any of the Member Club’s lower Division finals matches subject to the player’s eligibility.

[LaughingKookaburra]

I have a question. Anybody feel free to set me straight if I am incorrect.
With OS sides. Is there any monitoring in placefrom the SAAFL where these clubs will have to assist both financially/administration wise to assist the current schollars to develop and play for the OS sides.
I'd find it very unfair on district clubs if they fund their junior sides and assist in their development and still get the same benefits of those in Schollars circles who run the senior club and are lucky enough to benefit from a program which is developed and paid for by the schools and then get the 0 point benefit.
Do OS sides assist already? If the player has played for a district club aswell as school do the district club get the benefit of doubt, because I would find it VERY unfair if both clubs get the option to play him on 0 points and all the OS side did was sent out a news letter after he finished school.

I'm sure my old man might think some of the hundred grand he paid to send me through school might have gone into football

Nice try but schoolkids are zero points for everyone not just for their old scholars or district sides

Maybe you could try to bring back SAFA if you dont like the OS sides

You would think with that 100 grand someone would have bought you a thick skin too
I was merely asking a question, not being a hater.
Does it matter what people spend on your education?? My question was directed at the OS clubs assisting in the development of current scholars to benefit from the points system. I think it's a valid point.

[Mr Beefy]

Why should Mawson Lakes get the benefit of St Pauls OS when they have changed their name so that they appeal to the local community and distanced themselves from St Pauls? They can have their cake and eat it too? Will Houghton get Banksia Park Old Scholars or Unley get Unley High OS etc, etc?

[Jimmy_041]

I think he did answer

All juniors are worth zero points regardless of where they go to school or if they played in a district side during schooldays

You can pick up a kid who's leaving Sacred Heart for zero points

[LaughingKookaburra]

I am refering to when they leave school Jimmy

[Trader]

LK, when a kid is leaving school he is zero points for ANYONE that picks him, OS club or not.

And yes, OS clubs and their respective schools often do assist each other in their development.

[Jimmy_041]

Sorry - I still cant see what your question is

Is it: Do old scholars footy clubs put anything into getting new old scholars out to the club? If so, yes - all year round
Do we assist in development of the schoolkids at school? If so yes - a lot of our players are coaches of the junior teams.

And a lot of the players you read about are sons of our players (eg) Sam Day's dad played for PAOCFC in the '80's with me

As for monitoring what we do? No idea what you mean

[LaughingKookaburra]

all good,I have been pointed in the right direction.
Hypothetically if an old scholar goes away, signs at another club (lets say div 1) and then returns at a later date to play for the OS side (or even a district junior returning to the senior club) are they worth the whole 3 points?

[Jimmy_041]

all good,I have been pointed in the right direction.
Hypothetically if an old scholar goes away, signs at another club (lets say div 1) and then returns at a later date to play for the OS side (or even a district junior returning to the senior club) are they worth the whole 3 points?

No - that's when the zero points for juniors kicks in. He can go back to PAOC or say Walkerville (if he played juniors there) for zero points. That's really the only benefit of the juniors rule, other than if you actually play a junior in your A Grade - he's then worth -1 point

Also, any player who played 25 games for any club can go back to that club for zero points

So Sam Day can come to you for zero points, play 100 games for you, come back to us for zero points and then come back to you for zero points

[LaughingKookaburra]

Seb Tape can come back and play for us any time We'll take Sam day too if he wants to come

[Old Dog New Tricks]

I have a question. Anybody feel free to set me straight if I am incorrect.
With OS sides. Is there any monitoring in placefrom the SAAFL where these clubs will have to assist both financially/administration wise to assist the current schollars to develop and play for the OS sides.
I'd find it very unfair on district clubs if they fund their junior sides and assist in their development and still get the same benefits of those in Schollars circles who run the senior club and are lucky enough to benefit from a program which is developed and paid for by the schools and then get the 0 point benefit.
Do OS sides assist already? If the player has played for a district club aswell as school do the district club get the benefit of doubt, because I would find it VERY unfair if both clubs get the option to play him on 0 points and all the OS side did was sent out a news letter after he finished school.

It depends what side of the argument you're coming from but I put to you that given the private schools "allow" their students to play for a disctrict club, the district clubs should count their lucky stars they can claim them as a junior in any case. I wouldn't rock the boat, you're way in front.

[LaughingKookaburra]

ODNT I put it to you that since the majority of students families pay for their schooling that if push came to shove they could play footy where ever they want.
But I am not here to shoot down OS/OC sides, just wanted to find out whether they currently assisted in the development of current scholars. If they do (and by the sounds of reports from posters they do) then I am all for them receiving the proposed points system.
If Pultney (ex O.S by name) wanted to claim names of Old Scholars can they claim them as their own.
If PHOS Camden wanted to claim both PHOS Camden Juniors and current William Light Scholars are they able too?

[Old Dog New Tricks]

ODNT I put it to you that since the majority of students families pay for their schooling that if push came to shove they could play footy where ever they want.
But I am not here to shoot down OS/OC sides, just wanted to find out whether they currently assisted in the development of current scholars. If they do (and by the sounds of reports from posters they do) then I am all for them receiving the proposed points system.
If Pultney (ex O.S by name) wanted to claim names of Old Scholars can they claim them as their own.
If PHOS Camden wanted to claim both PHOS Camden Juniors and current William Light Scholars are they able too?

OK. let me put it another way
If Saint Paters U/14's play at 10:45 on a Saturday and Gaza U/14's play at the same time, the saint boys is compelled to play at SPC and if time allows he might be able to have the last 10 minutes playing at Gaza as long as the parent paying 100k as Jimmy puts it has his son fulfills his obligations at SPC. Long story short is Gaza in this example is lucky to have the boy play 10 minutes in the last quarter let alone claim him as a junior.

Which bit don't you get

[LaughingKookaburra]

Not going to argue the point as it is completely irrelivent to the topic I initially tried to discuss. As I said I am not trying to shoot down OS/OC sides.
It will all come out Monday night anyway.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

ODNT I put it to you that since the majority of students families pay for their schooling that if push came to shove they could play footy where ever they want.
But I am not here to shoot down OS/OC sides, just wanted to find out whether they currently assisted in the development of current scholars. If they do (and by the sounds of reports from posters they do) then I am all for them receiving the proposed points system.
If Pultney (ex O.S by name) wanted to claim names of Old Scholars can they claim them as their own.
If PHOS Camden wanted to claim both PHOS Camden Juniors and current William Light Scholars are they able too?

What connection does William Light School have with PHOS?

I'm really not sure where you're trying to go with this