Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2011-12

[CoverKing]

Any playing coaches looking around for a new club?

[interested observer]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

Very true Tiger. Some Grade clubs and players, also believe their own crap and think they are much better players than they really are. I am in no doubt what so ever, that half of the A1 clubs, a handful of A2 clubs and at least 2 of the A3 clubs, that i saw this season just completed, would account for more than half of the B Grade SACA teams. Too many guys playing Grade cricket, or are associated with Grade clubs "think" only with a Grade cricket mentality that they are much better than everyone else, and unfortunately, do not in any way understand the quality of ATCA cricket. It has gotten closer and closer over the years, to the point of some aspects of club and cricket life being equal or better. Certainly Grade cricket outside of A Grade, is nothing too get all that excited about, with many players in B Grade being only very average players themselves. Those in Grade clubs with the rosy glasses on however, still believe opposite, which is their perogative to live in fantasy land. Many current B Graders, would struggle to get a B Grade game 15 years ago and the standard of C and D Grade in most clubs is bloody appalling, with guys who struggle to bat, bowl and field. Really, they should not even be at a Grade club, which is supposedly the elite club in their area.

Funny that ATCA clubs continue to throw dollars at these B Grade hacks every year

Any particular players or clubs in mind TC ?

[tigerpie]

We dont pay anyone so it doesnt effect us. Would certainly not pay a b grader unless he had level 3 coaching cred, played for australia and bought beers for the lads every Saturday night.

[Yardy Lard]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

Very true Tiger. Some Grade clubs and players, also believe their own crap and think they are much better players than they really are. I am in no doubt what so ever, that half of the A1 clubs, a handful of A2 clubs and at least 2 of the A3 clubs, that i saw this season just completed, would account for more than half of the B Grade SACA teams. Too many guys playing Grade cricket, or are associated with Grade clubs "think" only with a Grade cricket mentality that they are much better than everyone else, and unfortunately, do not in any way understand the quality of ATCA cricket. It has gotten closer and closer over the years, to the point of some aspects of club and cricket life being equal or better. Certainly Grade cricket outside of A Grade, is nothing too get all that excited about, with many players in B Grade being only very average players themselves. Those in Grade clubs with the rosy glasses on however, still believe opposite, which is their perogative to live in fantasy land. Many current B Graders, would struggle to get a B Grade game 15 years ago and the standard of C and D Grade in most clubs is bloody appalling, with guys who struggle to bat, bowl and field. Really, they should not even be at a Grade club, which is supposedly the elite club in their area.

Funny that ATCA clubs continue to throw dollars at these B Grade hacks every year

Like anything - clubs will always go after the best that is around, even if the quality at the moment is very average at best. The B Grade hacks are just that, but they are B Grade hacks who won't get an A Grade spot at their club, or little chance of a berth, so they venture off the the ATCA. Good luck to the clubs who get the players, and to the players for getting the money is all I can say. The fact that most of them are very average, still does not change a thing. They are just lucky to be getting some good money for playing a sport, of which they are only very average at, but are still being well rewarded - so good on them.

[Jetters]

Very interesting to hear points of view on grade cricket v atca. Having witnessed 3 A1 clubs first hand this year, in my opinion these 3 would have ALL b grade sides covered.

Many blokes come into the atca comp as the committment isnt so full on and there is no Sunday games, so they can spend time with their families. I wouldnt like to see Sunday games back in the program for this reason.
I think some grade clubs pigeon hole some of their players as solely B graders or C graders and these guys are given no opportunities at A grade level regardless of their numbers because they dont meet certain criteria (fitness, play across the line, bowl too many short ones etc.) Their coaching tries to change their natural game to the detriment of the individual. They get browned off with that and come to atca and dominate.

Very true Tiger. Some Grade clubs and players, also believe their own crap and think they are much better players than they really are. I am in no doubt what so ever, that half of the A1 clubs, a handful of A2 clubs and at least 2 of the A3 clubs, that i saw this season just completed, would account for more than half of the B Grade SACA teams. Too many guys playing Grade cricket, or are associated with Grade clubs "think" only with a Grade cricket mentality that they are much better than everyone else, and unfortunately, do not in any way understand the quality of ATCA cricket. It has gotten closer and closer over the years, to the point of some aspects of club and cricket life being equal or better. Certainly Grade cricket outside of A Grade, is nothing too get all that excited about, with many players in B Grade being only very average players themselves. Those in Grade clubs with the rosy glasses on however, still believe opposite, which is their perogative to live in fantasy land. Many current B Graders, would struggle to get a B Grade game 15 years ago and the standard of C and D Grade in most clubs is bloody appalling, with guys who struggle to bat, bowl and field. Really, they should not even be at a Grade club, which is supposedly the elite club in their area.

Funny that ATCA clubs continue to throw dollars at these B Grade hacks every year

Like anything - clubs will always go after the best that is around, even if the quality at the moment is very average at best. The B Grade hacks are just that, but they are B Grade hacks who won't get an A Grade spot at their club, or little chance of a berth, so they venture off the the ATCA. Good luck to the clubs who get the players, and to the players for getting the money is all I can say. The fact that most of them are very average, still does not change a thing. They are just lucky to be getting some good money for playing a sport, of which they are only very average at, but are still being well rewarded - so good on them.

Some of you guys are kidding yourselves about the standard of Turf cricket. A3 teams beating B grade district sides is a joke.

I played B grade district at Sturt last year (1 chance at the higher grade) and for Heccies in rnd 1 vs the eventual A2 premiers Marion and in the 20/20s vs A1 clubs Payneham and Pembroke.

The standard of C and D grade district cricket fluctuates a huge amount club from club, I think it is hard to generalise the level because it is so varied between the strong and weak clubs. Sturt always have excellent depth and I would have said that their D grade grandfinal side (non-stacked) would have beaten Heccies.

Playing against Pembroke and Payneham was not up to B grade district standard. They do have some ex-guns, but are clearly not at the level they were at playing grade cricket. The bowling is slower and overall the teams don't have nearly as much depth. My overall opinion on the Turf games I played (against pretty strong turf sides) was generally the best handful of players in the turf teams were good cricketers, but it dropped away pretty quickly. Payneham would have been very competitive and beaten some of the lower B grade sides, Pembroke wouldn't have. The age and fitness of the district sides would also make a huge difference over 180 overs. the short form games would probably be much more competitive with the fitness not as big a deal and the turf guns getting to do a higher % of their teams workload.

[oldeagle]

What a sensible post.

[Willo]

Agree Old Eagle, excellent post by Jetters.

Have seen both comps, and A1 teams would get thrashed by B Grade District teams, and the strong C Grade teams as well.

[The Hound]

Agree Old Eagle, excellent post by Jetters.

Have seen both comps, and A1 teams would get thrashed by B Grade District teams, and the strong C Grade teams as well.

Please go back to the SACA thread Willo - in the Eagles case you have a pretty strong B Grade side due to the number of local players who are unable to get a game in the Eagles interstate/import first X1.

A1 teams would not get thrashed by B Grade teams it would be a lot closer than you think, no way would a club like Grange lose by much and in fact they may even give it a shake against the likes of Southern, Pt Adelaide, Prospect, East Torrens.

[Willo]

Sorry for offering an opinion "The Hound", no need to be so sensitive.

Granted Grange have some handy players, but the depth at the bottom 4- 6 players would not cut it. Did they even play finals last season? Some of the players in that team were past it a few years ago, and should not be playing A1 still. Few other new players would not play C Grade at strong District Clubs.

Can see both sides of the argument, but a lot of Adelaide Turf people wear Rose-coloured glassesand cannot have a common sense debate about it!

Cheers.

[azzaisbest]

Hope Valley Cricket Club would like to announce the appointment of Michael Watson to the senior coaching position for season 2012/13. Michael brings to the club a wealth of knowledge (coaching & playing) and will no doubt help the HVCC's goal of returning to the higher grades of ATCA in the coming years.


Welcome aboard Watto!!

[adelaide bank]

Wicket Keeper Wanted for Adelaide Suburban cricket club Morphettville Pk A grade Section 1

Ideal for turf cricketer looking for a change great family club and far more relaxed atmosphere

Please contact Steven on 0422 152 779 to discuss details

[Bluedemon]

Hope Valley Cricket Club would like to announce the appointment of Michael Watson to the senior coaching position for season 2012/13. Michael brings to the club a wealth of knowledge (coaching & playing) and will no doubt help the HVCC's goal of returning to the higher grades of ATCA in the coming years.


Welcome aboard Watto!!

very good pick up azzaisbest, he is a good coach and person to talk to. Will he be playing?

[azzaisbest]

Hope Valley Cricket Club would like to announce the appointment of Michael Watson to the senior coaching position for season 2012/13. Michael brings to the club a wealth of knowledge (coaching & playing) and will no doubt help the HVCC's goal of returning to the higher grades of ATCA in the coming years.


Welcome aboard Watto!!

very good pick up azzaisbest, he is a good coach and person to talk to. Will he be playing?

Yes bluedemon, he will be playing. Michael is a top bloke and I agree with you , a very good pick up for us

[EldersUniSA]

Does anyone know if ATCA are going to put in a second division for the 20-20 comp this season? They briefly mentioned the possibility early last season.

[wycbloods]

Western Youth Centre Cricket Club
EST 1961

Affiliated with Adelaide and Suburban Cricket Association and Adelaide Turf Cricket Association

Section 1 Premiers - Back to Back - 2010/2011 - 2011/2012

The Western Youth Centre Cricket Club is seeking applicants for a playing or non playing club coach for season 2012/2013 and beyond, to help improve the standard of our junior program as well as the transition of juniors into the clubs senior ranks. The club currently has 3 U/13 Sides, 1 U/15 in ATCA and looks like having 1 U/17 side in the upcoming season. We also have 4 senior sides in Sections 1,2,4,5 of the A&SCA. Remuneration is available.

The successful applicant would need to possess the following attributes:
• Level 1 coaching accreditation (The club will pay for level 2 to be done asap)
• Strong Passion for junior cricketers
• Good communication skills
• Strong will to succeed.
• To work with the clubs committee to ensure set goals are being achieved.


Applicants should contact
Mark Whenan
WYCCC President
M: 0417152818
E: mwhenan@nuw.org.au
Applications close 13 July 2012

Or PM me for more details.

[Wizard of Oz]

Hope Valley Cricket Club would like to announce the appointment of Michael Watson to the senior coaching position for season 2012/13. Michael brings to the club a wealth of knowledge (coaching & playing) and will no doubt help the HVCC's goal of returning to the higher grades of ATCA in the coming years.


Welcome aboard Watto!!

very good pick up azzaisbest, he is a good coach and person to talk to. Will he be playing?

Yes bluedemon, he will be playing. Michael is a top bloke and I agree with you , a very good pick up for us

Massive pick up... A better bloke you will not meet.

[rainbow warrior]

Hope Valley Cricket Club would like to announce the appointment of Michael Watson to the senior coaching position for season 2012/13. Michael brings to the club a wealth of knowledge (coaching & playing) and will no doubt help the HVCC's goal of returning to the higher grades of ATCA in the coming years.


Welcome aboard Watto!!

very good pick up azzaisbest, he is a good coach and person to talk to. Will he be playing?

Yes bluedemon, he will be playing. Michael is a top bloke and I agree with you , a very good pick up for us

Massive pick up... A better bloke you will not meet.

Totally agree Oz.

[Merki the God]

So boys and girls , Merki wants to know of any player movements coming or going that might be happening this season. May just influence where merki plays this year

[beeroclock]

Interesting to note that Grenville is an assistant coach at Para Hills this coming season. Top fella.
Strange thing is Para Hills have quoted him as the second best player to ever play for the Roosters behind Ken Farmer.
Hello but where did Barrie Robran play again?

[EldersUniSA]

I was just hoping to gauge your thoughts on the differences between the standard of cricket between the lower two day cricket divisions and the LO cricket divisions.

Reason being we have nominated for a two day team this season, probably in the C1 or C2 grades. It will be filled with players mainly from our LOC and LOF teams, as we allow players to choose between two day and one day cricket at our club.

I have been told that ATCA ranks all two day above one day, therefore we would lose our highest LO team which is in LOB div, yet all those players will continue to play LO's, and we finished minor premiers (I thought we would be in LOA this year). Do you think this is right?