Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2011-12

[Senor Moto Gadili]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

[Executive Member]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Make all over October and early November round robin one day comp including final - that way if a game is washed out it doesnt has as much impact on the season proper

So basically work backwards GF/Semi then 9 x 2 Day games - then fit in the front whatever you can

[Yardy Lard]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Yes. Get all the one day crap out of the way early before the proper cricket (in this case - when the 2 day cricket starts)

The ATCA, have to be careful to not have too much cricket and fill in Sundays and mid week matches. Ensure guys do not have to play Sundays or very little is the key. This is what has caused and is continuing to have players leave Grade cricket. Extra training, Sunday cricket, Mid week matches and life being generally busier, has caused Grade cricket to go backwards, at an alarming rate of knots, over the last 20 years.
The guys playing ATCA cricket are not playing, with their ultimate goal to become a "Redback" player (although some well could, given the current "Redback" squad and cricket at Grade level), so hopefully the administrators are fully aware of that with their scheduling. Don't have too much cricket and ATCA cricket will continue to prosper and get stronger, as it has done for the last 20 years at the expense of Grade cricket, where the standard has progressively got worse and worse.

[Senor Moto Gadili]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Yes. Get all the one day crap out of the way early before the proper cricket (in this case - when the 2 day cricket starts)

The ATCA, have to be careful to not have too much cricket and fill in Sundays and mid week matches. Ensure guys do not have to play Sundays or very little is the key. This is what has caused and is continuing to have players leave Grade cricket. Extra training, Sunday cricket, Mid week matches and life being generally busier, has caused Grade cricket to go backwards, at an alarming rate of knots, over the last 20 years.
The guys playing ATCA cricket are not playing, with their ultimate goal to become a "Redback" player (although some well could, given the current "Redback" squad and cricket at Grade level), so hopefully the administrators are fully aware of that with their scheduling. Don't have too much cricket and ATCA cricket will continue to prosper and get stronger, as it has done for the last 20 years at the expense of Grade cricket, where the standard has progressively got worse and worse.

Fair call. Option 2 is full on and was put forward by a consortium of A1 clubs that wanted to play "more" rather than "less" cricket.....DANGER!!!

[Trader]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Yes. Get all the one day crap out of the way early before the proper cricket (in this case - when the 2 day cricket starts)

The ATCA, have to be careful to not have too much cricket and fill in Sundays and mid week matches. Ensure guys do not have to play Sundays or very little is the key. This is what has caused and is continuing to have players leave Grade cricket. Extra training, Sunday cricket, Mid week matches and life being generally busier, has caused Grade cricket to go backwards, at an alarming rate of knots, over the last 20 years.
The guys playing ATCA cricket are not playing, with their ultimate goal to become a "Redback" player (although some well could, given the current "Redback" squad and cricket at Grade level), so hopefully the administrators are fully aware of that with their scheduling. Don't have too much cricket and ATCA cricket will continue to prosper and get stronger, as it has done for the last 20 years at the expense of Grade cricket, where the standard has progressively got worse and worse.

Fair call. Option 2 is full on and was put forward by a consortium of A1 clubs that wanted to play "more" rather than "less" cricket.....DANGER!!!

I've vote option 2 if I got one. I play cricket to play, not to have a couple of hits and call it a season.
I agree it's a danger that some players won't want to play that many games, but then that's an issue for the clubs to manage. They can have larger squads of 15-20 blokes to rotate through on the 1-day and T20 games, giving the a-graders a game or two off, and allowing clubs to see b-graders having a crack at the top level before throwing them in the deep end for a 2-day match.

I believe it's the turf's responsibility to make as much cricket as possible available to clubs. How clubs choose to manage that workload is then upto clubs.

I do like the idea put forward by EM to play as much of the one-day stuff at the start of the year when the wash-outs are likely to occur, nothing worse than the 2-day comp being stuffed around by washouts. The other thing is if you rock up to a soft deck, you'll both bat on it, and while it will still be an advantage for the side that wins the toss, it won't be as large as in a two dayer that then has a week of 29s leading into day 2.

[Yardy Lard]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Yes. Get all the one day crap out of the way early before the proper cricket (in this case - when the 2 day cricket starts)

The ATCA, have to be careful to not have too much cricket and fill in Sundays and mid week matches. Ensure guys do not have to play Sundays or very little is the key. This is what has caused and is continuing to have players leave Grade cricket. Extra training, Sunday cricket, Mid week matches and life being generally busier, has caused Grade cricket to go backwards, at an alarming rate of knots, over the last 20 years.
The guys playing ATCA cricket are not playing, with their ultimate goal to become a "Redback" player (although some well could, given the current "Redback" squad and cricket at Grade level), so hopefully the administrators are fully aware of that with their scheduling. Don't have too much cricket and ATCA cricket will continue to prosper and get stronger, as it has done for the last 20 years at the expense of Grade cricket, where the standard has progressively got worse and worse.

Fair call. Option 2 is full on and was put forward by a consortium of A1 clubs that wanted to play "more" rather than "less" cricket.....DANGER!!!

Think this year with NO Sundays and just the two mid week Twenty/20 matches is perfect. As said earlier - guys play ATCA cricket to get away from training 3 nights a week and playing on 70% of their Sundays, as they did in the Grade cricket competition, which is far too much cricket for ATCA players. Players leave because of not wanting to commit their time to Grade cricket for the time reason. This is a massive reason why Adelaide Turf cricket has closed the gap on Grade cricket, over the last 20 years. C and D Grade cricket at Grade level, is of an horrendous standard, in comparison to 20 years ago, with ATCA cricket and the standard getting far closer to B Grade and way better than the lower grades of the SACA competition.

[heater31]

This is a massive reason why Adelaide Turf cricket has closed the gap on Grade cricket, over the last 20 years. C and D Grade cricket at Grade level, is of an horrendous standard, in comparison to 20 years ago, with ATCA cricket and the standard getting far closer to B Grade and way better than the lower grades of the SACA competition.

As someone who has played in both competitions in recent years I played for one of the stronger ATCA clubs for 1 season starting off in their C grade (B3 or 2 cant remember) Got promoted to the club B grade in round 2 (A3) and stayed there for the rest of the season. Standard wise I can't comment on the B3/2 grades as I was only there for the 1 game but up in A3 I found it a cross between C & D Grade SACA's most weeks with the occasional B/C standard against the top teams. Obviously Experience wise the ATCA blokes shit all over the SACA kids with me going from being the oldest in the SACA team to the youngest in the ATCA side

[Wizard of Oz]

The better ATCA A1 teams would destroy some B Grade District sides...

[Yardy Lard]

The better ATCA A1 teams would destroy some B Grade District sides...

Absolutely. Would suggest that a few D2 and even one or two D3 teams would beat the mid range to lower B Grade sides, as well. Many of the D3 sides this year had 5 or 6 guys in them who had played A Grade District cricket.

B Grade sides probably will have an extra young quick bowler and a few senior A Grade players heading down, but in general in the B Grade SACA competition is no better than an average C Grade competition from 10-15 years ago. ATCA cricket certainly has improved dramatically during the last 20 years at the detriment of Grade cricket in SA. Basically because the former Grade players are heading to the ATCA in their droves.

Unfortunately some Grade clubs and players believe their own bull&*it, and think the competition and their own abilities to be far greater than it really is. Just listen to a few of them and the administrators from the Grade clubs and they will tell you.

[Footy Smart]

There is no way an ATCA side would beat a top 7 B grade side. They may have a few ex A grade District players here and there but they are well past Grade Cricket, and the rest have some ex fringe A grade and B grade players.

for example, a bloke came from playing A3 to our club and couldnt get picked in the D grade, he went back and played A3 that year. My brother came out after making 350 A2 runs and played C/D grade.

Yardy, the C and D grade comp is much younger and very much development grades now. The kids are given far more opportunity than when I started playing seniors 8 odd years ago. Is this a bad thing? NO..... from the last 2 years, 6 kids who played a full year of C grade are now playing solid B grade cricket with 3 having played A grade in the last year and a half.

[Wizard of Oz]

Yeah nah..

[Yardy Lard]

:lol: There is no way an ATCA side would beat a top 7 B grade side. They may have a few ex A grade District players here and there but they are well past Grade Cricket, and the rest have some ex fringe A grade and B grade players.

for example, a bloke came from playing A3 to our club and couldnt get picked in the D grade, he went back and played A3 that year. My brother came out after making 350 A2 runs and played C/D grade.

Yardy, the C and D grade comp is much younger and very much development grades now. The kids are given far more opportunity than when I started playing seniors 8 odd years ago. Is this a bad thing? NO..... from the last 2 years, 6 kids who played a full year of C grade are now playing solid B grade cricket with 3 having played A grade in the last year and a half.

Again, you show you idea of reality Footy Smart. and probably did not expect much from someone who only trots out the Grade cricket line. I would suggest that you understand BOTH competitions or had an involvement with both competitions, before commenting, on something you are clearly, way off the mark. You are talking about your club at TTG and not overall, through all the clubs. Next season have a better look at some ATCA games and then hopefully your opinion changes. I hear this all the time however, from people only associated with Grade cricket and has not been associated with both competitions. The C and D Grades are development grades, but the standards are horrendous. Take the rosy coloured glasses off.

[Footy Smart]

:lol: There is no way an ATCA side would beat a top 7 B grade side. They may have a few ex A grade District players here and there but they are well past Grade Cricket, and the rest have some ex fringe A grade and B grade players.

for example, a bloke came from playing A3 to our club and couldnt get picked in the D grade, he went back and played A3 that year. My brother came out after making 350 A2 runs and played C/D grade.

Yardy, the C and D grade comp is much younger and very much development grades now. The kids are given far more opportunity than when I started playing seniors 8 odd years ago. Is this a bad thing? NO..... from the last 2 years, 6 kids who played a full year of C grade are now playing solid B grade cricket with 3 having played A grade in the last year and a half.

Again, you show you idea of reality Footy Smart. and probably did not expect much from someone who only trots out the Grade cricket line. I would suggest that you understand BOTH competitions or had an involvement with both competitions, before commenting, on something you are clearly, way off the mark. You are talking about your club at TTG and not overall, through all the clubs. Next season have a better look at some ATCA games and then hopefully your opinion changes. I hear this all the time however, from people only associated with Grade cricket and has not been associated with both competitions. The C and D Grades are development grades, but the standards are horrendous. Take the rosy coloured glasses off.

yardy yardy yardy, clearly you have no idea of who I am, what I have done/do or seen or whatever you want to say your 'experience' tells you in your PM to me. FYI I didnt come through the TTG junior set up I came from a ATCA club and I still know many of the players and attend the club regulalry. I wont go into my role and my contact/engagement with ATCA clubs as its not worth it as i 'only trott out the grade cricket line'.

another example not involving TTG, a bloke who batted 10ish for Adelaide in the C and a few B grade games (wicket keeper) comes back to his home ATCA club at A2 level and bats in the top 5?

[heater31]

another example not involving TTG, a bloke who batted 10ish for Adelaide in the C and a few B grade games (wicket keeper) comes back to his home ATCA club at A2 level and bats in the top 5?

I know who you are referring to here also and his older brother never played higher than D Grade at Adelaide yet is a walk up A Grader at this particular club

[Executive Member]

What Clubs thoughts on ATCA's proposal to fill up the spare Saturdays in the 10 Team Comp next year? They have put forward 3 options;

1. 9 x 2-Day games plus expanded 40 Team T20 Comp that consists of 5 rounds, QF, SF & GF
2. 9 x 2-Day games plus 40 Over Comp consisting of 5 rounds & GF plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, QF, SF & GF
3. 9 x 2-Day games plus 32 Team T20 Comp consisting 3 rounds, round of 16, QF, SF & GF

Would be good to hear what clubs are thinking

Yes. Get all the one day crap out of the way early before the proper cricket (in this case - when the 2 day cricket starts)

The ATCA, have to be careful to not have too much cricket and fill in Sundays and mid week matches. Ensure guys do not have to play Sundays or very little is the key. This is what has caused and is continuing to have players leave Grade cricket. Extra training, Sunday cricket, Mid week matches and life being generally busier, has caused Grade cricket to go backwards, at an alarming rate of knots, over the last 20 years.
The guys playing ATCA cricket are not playing, with their ultimate goal to become a "Redback" player (although some well could, given the current "Redback" squad and cricket at Grade level), so hopefully the administrators are fully aware of that with their scheduling. Don't have too much cricket and ATCA cricket will continue to prosper and get stronger, as it has done for the last 20 years at the expense of Grade cricket, where the standard has progressively got worse and worse.

Call the medi YL agreed with me
oh wait he is the media

[Footy Smart]

another example not involving TTG, a bloke who batted 10ish for Adelaide in the C and a few B grade games (wicket keeper) comes back to his home ATCA club at A2 level and bats in the top 5?

I know who you are referring to here also and his older brother never played higher than D Grade at Adelaide yet is a walk up A Grader at this particular club

my part in this discussion is not an attack at ATCA its not pumping up Grade Cricket as it definately does need changes. Just as always some big statements with no facts.

[Wizard of Oz]

My opinion on this is based on playing in all 3 levels of discussion... A Grade district level, B Grade district level and A1 ATCA.

But hey, just my opinion.

[Footy Smart]

My opinion on this is based on playing in all 3 levels of discussion... A Grade district level, B Grade district level and A1 ATCA.

But hey, just my opinion.

Wiz, IMO your right in part of your first statement that some A1 sides would beat some B grade sides, they wouldnt destroy them though. The top 7 B grade sides would beat ATCA A1 sides easily enough though. Yardy suggested that A2 and A3 sides would beat B gade sides and once again IMO and using the examples i did i cant agree with.

[Trader]

Well here's an equally absurd example back the other way.

http://atca.sa.cricket.com.au/common/pa ... =38&mode=1

Sturt's B-grade skipper had the bye in rd 1, so rocked up to his local ATCA side, who stuck him in their B's (A3).
He bowled 10 of 20.1 overs, picked up 1/27 while the other 10.1 overs claimed 9/30.


So let's draw the conclusion that B-grade district cricketers can't even compete with A3 turf! heheheh.

[Footy Smart]

Well here's an equally absurd example back the other way.

http://atca.sa.cricket.com.au/common/pa ... =38&mode=1

Sturt's B-grade skipper had the bye in rd 1, so rocked up to his local ATCA side, who stuck him in their B's (A3).
He bowled 10 of 20.1 overs, picked up 1/27 while the other 10.1 overs claimed 9/30.


So let's draw the conclusion that B-grade district cricketers can't even compete with A3 turf! heheheh.

Clearly the slips couldnt catch them