SA Churches and Community Cricket Association 2011/2012

[auto]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel

[dark & stormy]

You posters need to lay off the executive. there volunteers not payed profesionals. a bit of leeway would be appreciated. there is a process that needs to be followed and not rushed or the proper process **** be followed. we all need to work together to make this competition a success and not be negative.

you need to crawl back under your rock mate.
no point being a vounteer if you dont do anything ? how much leeway should we give them ?
I have given them 5 years , surely that is long enough. if you dont fix it it will die. and die it is doing.
and it is my opinion I am expressing, last time I looked I am pretty sure I am intittled to one. if you dont like what I write then dont read it.

[auto]

Not too sure if my spies are on the money here, but what i have been told is prob the biggest news to hit the Church comp in many a year.

Due to shear public pressure and the weight of fan mail Rose Park are receiving at the moment, none other than Rob O'Gorman has been selected in the A grade for Rose Park this week.

I'm led to believe cars have already started to park around the oval in preparation for this event and Rose Park have organized a book signing for 9am in Rundle Mall of Robs autobiography called " Only whimps eat Quiche"

I for one, will be at the oval bright and early to see this momentous event.

Is it true he trained tonight in tights in preparation for this game? This man is a gift to the SACCA and a fair chance to take Autos title of the most handsome player in this comp.
Im excited!

Surely this isn't true? I have seen this slapper play

It is surely true as predicted by some religions.....And i quote,"For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."
Not sure which direction tonights storm is coming from but surely this is it.....

[dark & stormy]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel vEnfield[/b]
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel[/quote]
baldo,s tips this game thanks auto

[Lightning McQueen]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel

[Noel Craig]

I dare say this will be my last season with the churches comp...
our comp is becoming a laughing stock and a joke , absolutely disgusted with the way it is run.
1 = you can wear what ever you want to play ,
2 = you can play unregistered players or suspended ones (if true in paralowies case) but not the first time they have done this
3 = no one wants to play in div 1 anymore , so all the div 2 sides are sometimes stronger than div 1 (magill,enfield,paralowie)
4 = imo, the comp is dying quickly and I cant see it lasting much longer.
5 = we get told to turn up to the meetings each time, but then we dont see the them coming around the grounds to have a look until finals , and even then it is normally for 5 minutes .........
how can we be a force in any other form of the game when no one wants to play anymore, ie, 20/20 , one dayers and two dayers against other associations. wait and see , we will have the bare 11 and then it will be filled with who ever turns up rather than the quality we actually have in all of our teams. (except seaton) cause I hate you
unless things change NOW we will be non existant very soon.....rip c&cca.....imo....

I rememer years back when Indipendant central joined our comp and it appeared the comp was going to grow stronger. This may sound outrageous but over the years I have had many friends and foes question the quality of a 'church' cricket comp. Whilst I saw this as very narrow minded at times, as there have been some quality rep teams from the churches comp, I also seen there point of view. People more saw the comp as some sort of church orientated game of cricket. Whilst being far from this, I believe that in the day and age we are in, this has been the main problem with recruiting and growing. In other comps you can freely have a beer at the cricket, we can't. In other comps you can swear without some sensitive mong telling you to stop swearing. And there are certain clubs that are to interested in dib-dobbing and this to is also driving people away.

[Lightning McQueen]

It is surely true as predicted by some religions.....And i quote, "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."
Not sure which direction tonights storm is coming from but surely this is it.....

I like to come from the south thanks auto.

[Lightning McQueen]

I dare say this will be my last season with the churches comp...
our comp is becoming a laughing stock and a joke , absolutely disgusted with the way it is run.
1 = you can wear what ever you want to play ,
2 = you can play unregistered players or suspended ones (if true in paralowies case) but not the first time they have done this
3 = no one wants to play in div 1 anymore , so all the div 2 sides are sometimes stronger than div 1 (magill,enfield,paralowie)
4 = imo, the comp is dying quickly and I cant see it lasting much longer.
5 = we get told to turn up to the meetings each time, but then we dont see the them coming around the grounds to have a look until finals , and even then it is normally for 5 minutes .........
how can we be a force in any other form of the game when no one wants to play anymore, ie, 20/20 , one dayers and two dayers against other associations. wait and see , we will have the bare 11 and then it will be filled with who ever turns up rather than the quality we actually have in all of our teams. (except seaton) cause I hate you
unless things change NOW we will be non existant very soon.....rip c&cca.....imo....

From an outsider looking in I see your concerns Smasha.
1. Yes, very unprofessional, for people driving past it must look like a work social match.
2. Yes, the penalties see pretty lenient, to Paralowies defence, on this occaison they were misled, on the previous ones it was a case of trusting the lower grade captains etc. who didn't have the clubs best interest at heart.
3. Yeah it sucks when the prommotion/relegation system is flawed, the PDCA are very stringent on this and there's very little movement on it.
4. It seems the top end aren't doing a lot about it.

I hope for you guys that you get some strong heads to run the comp as of next season, given the geographics I can't see other associations letting you all join the same one.
At a guess I'd say the PDCA would allow Greenies, Vista, Enfield and Paralowie in, Rose Park, Ross Smith and Fitzroy might get a look in, I'm not too sure on where all your hoe grounds are and how you'd fit in with our grading, they'd probably filter you in from Grade 2 down.
All just speculation of course but it would be sad to see your comp turn to shit.

[dark & stormy]

I dare say this will be my last season with the churches comp...
our comp is becoming a laughing stock and a joke , absolutely disgusted with the way it is run.
1 = you can wear what ever you want to play ,
2 = you can play unregistered players or suspended ones (if true in paralowies case) but not the first time they have done this
3 = no one wants to play in div 1 anymore , so all the div 2 sides are sometimes stronger than div 1 (magill,enfield,paralowie)
4 = imo, the comp is dying quickly and I cant see it lasting much longer.
5 = we get told to turn up to the meetings each time, but then we dont see the them coming around the grounds to have a look until finals , and even then it is normally for 5 minutes .........
how can we be a force in any other form of the game when no one wants to play anymore, ie, 20/20 , one dayers and two dayers against other associations. wait and see , we will have the bare 11 and then it will be filled with who ever turns up rather than the quality we actually have in all of our teams. (except seaton) cause I hate you
unless things change NOW we will be non existant very soon.....rip c&cca.....imo....

I rememer years back when Indipendant central joined our comp and it appeared the comp was going to grow stronger. This may sound outrageous but over the years I have had many friends and foes question the quality of a 'church' cricket comp. Whilst I saw this as very narrow minded at times, as there have been some quality rep teams from the churches comp, I also seen there point of view. People more saw the comp as some sort of church orientated game of cricket. Whilst being far from this, I believe that in the day and age we are in, this has been the main problem with recruiting and growing. In other comps you can freely have a beer at the cricket, we can't. In other comps you can swear without some sensitive mong telling you to stop swearing. And there are certain clubs that are to interested in dib-dobbing and this to is also driving people away.

I felt the same way, I mean when I first got asked to play for the nekcc in the churches comp , I thought you have to be kidding asking me to play in a church comp, I am a red head bowler and also likes to have a swing at every ball.
so you can see the fun I thought this was going to be, but to be honest the church tag has no bearing on the teams and most of the people we play against. as I swear every second ball and try and hurt someone every other ball.
churches was a good comp but as you say maybe a change of name might help a bit, surely cant hurt.
but something needs to happen and happen soon.

[Goat Herder]

Understand your frustrations Smasha & Magpies96, all of the points you have raised are valid and ultimately, really concerning and compromise the longevity of the Association.

I do have to question the point you raised Smasha about Exec members not showing up at matches, especially when a significant portion of the Exec are still active players within the comp. Pretty difficult to be in 2 different places at once, and last time I looked at the job description, it didn't require Exec members to head out each week to all sorts of matches & grades etc. Bit of an unrealistic expectation there mate IMO. But the rest of it you're spot on.

The distinct lack of transparency re. the Exec is what causes eyebrows to raise. What do they do? What are they doing? Who does what? Are they addressing relevant issues?? Who would know when delegate's meeting minutes aren't distributed, as Magpies96 mentioned?!? All of the above conjures questions about whether there are people on the Exec just sitting in a role because it looks good on their CV and whether they are performing their role to 100% the best of their ability. At the end of the day, each person should be asking themselves, "Am I able to give this role 100%?", and if that answer is no, then they MUST step aside! Personally, I'd love to dedicate time to the Exec to tackle issues like the ones you guys have raised, but neither have the time, nor the inclination to do it. As it is, dedicating 12mths to preparing for National Championships is a big enough committment & impact to my spare time.

Bottom line is it's up to the PLAYERS to take control of THEIR Association and FORCE the Executive to address the issues that damage the reputation of the C&CCA, otherwise it will just fall by the wayside.

[Goat Herder]

I'm not too sure on where all your hoe grounds are

Bit harsh mate, some of our grounds are quite decent..

[Lightning McQueen]

I'm not too sure on where all your hoe grounds are

Bit harsh mate, some of our grounds are quite decent..

As I posted on the PDCA thread, the letter next to the n key is playing up.

[Oxygen Thief]

Barra i do agree with you, contrary to popular opinion i dont like exec. bashing but they do bring alot of it on themselves. If you put your hand up to do a role then you probably should do it!

I'll give you an example of my recent frustration ( with the exec anyway )

At the last delagates meeting i proposed that the exec. form a sub committee to look at recruiting new players to our clubs and also to encourage other teams to come across and play in our comp. this was overwhelmingly passed by every delagate and the general mood was this was a very positive move. The president asked me if i would chair the committee and take charge of this to which i agreed to.
The next day i typed up a letter ( as emails often go astray ) on PV letterhead which encouraged every president of every club to get behind this cause to help their club get stronger. I then realised that postage details are no longer on the program so i rang the president and asked him to forward me the addresses. He said yes, we had an exec meeting last night and it was deceided that the ass. secretary would look after it. So i rang him and told him what in was doing to which his response was " no we dont do it that way, i'm halfway through an email about it now" so i told him thats fine, do that. I waited, and waited and waited. Another 2 weeks went by so i rang him again and asked him how did you go with that email? "Yeah sent it out but go no response". "well i didnt get so how many clubs did?"
And i'm still waiting- very frustrating!!

[Krav Man]

Fitz
Vi$ta
Rose Lakes

Enfield
Morialta
Vi$ta

Fitz
Western
Magill

Fitz
Brooklyn
Adel

[dark & stormy]

Understand your frustrations Smasha & Magpies96, all of the points you have raised are valid and ultimately, really concerning and compromise the longevity of the Association.

I do have to question the point you raised Smasha about Exec members not showing up at matches, especially when a significant portion of the Exec are still active players within the comp. :? Pretty difficult to be in 2 different places at once, and last time I looked at the job description, it didn't require Exec members to head out each week to all sorts of matches & grades etc. Bit of an unrealistic expectation there mate IMO. But the rest of it you're spot on.

The distinct lack of transparency re. the Exec is what causes eyebrows to raise. What do they do? What are they doing? Who does what? Are they addressing relevant issues?? Who would know when delegate's meeting minutes aren't distributed, as Magpies96 mentioned?!? All of the above conjures questions about whether there are people on the Exec just sitting in a role because it looks good on their CV and whether they are performing their role to 100% the best of their ability. At the end of the day, each person should be asking themselves, "Am I able to give this role 100%?", and if that answer is no, then they MUST step aside! Personally, I'd love to dedicate time to the Exec to tackle issues like the ones you guys have raised, but neither have the time, nor the inclination to do it. As it is, dedicating 12mths to preparing for National Championships is a big enough committment & impact to my spare time.

Bottom line is it's up to the PLAYERS to take control of THEIR Association and FORCE the Executive to address the issues that damage the reputation of the C&CCA, otherwise it will just fall by the wayside.

you would think after some people complaining (mainly me i admit) about certain things like shorts and black pants player rego unqualified players and so on , you would think the NON PLAYING MEMBERS of our committee would actually watch or at least have a look at the problem, ie, go to the ground where the club or clubs are playing and see for themselves. that is what I should have said , sorry GOATMAN

[carey]

Has there been any determinations in the case of Paralowie playing the bloke(Watson) who is currently serving a lengthy suspension in the PDCA?

Noel, the paralowie capt/coach is in thailand and has had his flight delayed he will not be back in Aus till nearly 10am saturday morning he has been trying to get to the bottom of this mess whilst being away on a holiday.

He has got in contact with the exc. of PDCA to confirm the suspension and Adam will no longer be a part of the paralowie side he has sent an email to CCC&A to explain the situation and what has unfolded.

as has been said a few pages back Paralowie was misled and registered the player at no stage did paralowie try to hard the fact of who he was his scores werent hidden from the paper and internet or anything like so if paralowie knew they were doing wrong would they publish these results? i highly doubt it.

What messures are in place to stop clubs being misled? How were paralowie to know the player was suspened when the player clearly stated he wasnt?

[carey]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel

[Cougar]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel

I'm glad we have George Reidy at Rose Park. I know a lot of clubs would be tempted to play unregistered players in this time, where players are hard to come by, but the great man makes sure everyone is signed up before playing for RP.

[hotpies]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel

[brod]

Fitz v Adel
Seaton v Vi$ta
Rose Lakes v NEK

Adel v Enfield
NEK v Morialta
Vi$ta v Paralowie

Enfield v Fitz
Western v Central
Magill v Seaton

Fitz v Enfield
Brooklyn v Rose Lakes
Wingies v Adel