Adelaide Suburban Cricket Assosciation.

[Booney]

Sorry Mick,I did not in my general warning name or direct my comment at you,indeed I said "settle down lads",if you felt it was directed at you,it is because of the way you saw your remarks,not mine.

On the question of playing a grade well below where you should perhaps play is not what I would recommend for a young player,but circumstances have played a role and he is where he is.I would also suggest he does not playthere for much longer.

[bazza1]

Booney, what do we do then when we have a talented player who eventually wants to play higher, but wants to play a year of lower grades, and if he is promoted him we might lose him?
Do we let him dictate terms or do we put the hard word on and lose him forever. Guys, we all take it seriously but were not paid to play, we pay to play, and if we bleed a little now it is going to be benificial for the club in the long run.

[The sarge]

I would still think that u need to put ur foot down. If u lose him ur club may bleed a little but then be better off in the future with other players not being able to play where they choose as you have not set the precedent. The argument goes both ways and you may dig a hole for yourselves in the future. Also you spoke about paying to play cricket what about the other section 5 players who pay to play and then got smashed around the field all day. I think that a player who makes such a big score should definately be promoted regardless of circumstances.

[Booney]

For mine Bazza,you pick him where the club wants him to play,and that is where he plays.Perhaps a word or two of encouragment to play at the higher level and challenge himself might be the trick.

[Rik E Boy]

Booney, what do we do then when we have a talented player who eventually wants to play higher, but wants to play a year of lower grades, and if he is promoted him we might lose him?
Do we let him dictate terms or do we put the hard word on and lose him forever. Guys, we all take it seriously but were not paid to play, we pay to play, and if we bleed a little now it is going to be benificial for the club in the long run.

You're not the one bleeding though are you? It is the genuine d-graders who are bleeding while a talented young player smashes a mediocre attack around a postage stamp size oval. The problem the club has is once you let one player dictate terms it sets a precedent. Your post about the old man was a good one tho bazza and indicates the problem all clubs have when you have to umpire your mates. One guy I played with used to walk if he nicked one becuase he didn't want to put pressure on his mates.

If you put the hard word on him and lose him forever, then you never really had a Haven clubman on your hands in the first place. He's played with his old man, he's broken the association record..one for the family scrapbook. Now promote the kid.

regards,

REB

[bazza1]

I think every club has been in this situation at some stage.

[Tight_Lines]

I think every club has been in this situation at some stage.

Our club has the policy that you play were you are picked thats why half a dozen players if not more left because they wanted to all play in the E grade together they all now play at another club.

The kid and his father should get serious and realise that he has a higher calling. By him playing a lower garde i think you'll find it is hurting your club more then if he was promoted you'd rather win a Section 1 flag then 5

[Deep Heat]

THERE IS NOTHING I HATE MORE THEN BIG FISH IN SMALL PONDS WHETHER IT IS A MIDDLE AGED BLOKE WITH A BIG EGO OR A YOUNG GUY WHO WANTS TO BE A HERO THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LOW GRADES AND HIGH GRADES FOR A REASON TO ME SECTIONS 7,6,5,4,3,2, ARE ALL ABOUT DEVELOPING PLAYERS TO PLAY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL BE IT SECTION 1 OR ABOVE AT A GRADE CLUB OR TURF CLUB SURE THERE ARE BLOKES WHO ARENT UP TO PLAYING HIGH GRADES AND THEY STILL LOVE THE GAME JUST AS MUCH HAVE A LOOK AROUND YOUR TRAINING SESSIONS WHO ARE THE FIRST GUYS THERE AND THE LAST TO LEAVE I GURANTEE YOU ITS NOT YOUR A GRADE OPENING BOWLERS OR BATSMEN ITS THE BLOKES IN THE LOWER GRADES WHO TURN UP EVERY WEEK TO HAVE A CRACK THESE BLOKES DONT DESERVE TO GO OUT ON A SATURDAY AND FETCH BALLS FROM ACROSS THE ROAD COS SOME NPUNK KID WANTS TO BE A HERO AND HIT SECTION 7 BOWLERS ALL OVER THE PARK AS FOR SAYING HE IS ONLY 20 BLOKES HAVE PLAYED A GRADE DISTRICT CRICKET FROM 14 UP AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL SO THATS CRAP HE WANTS TO PLAY WITH HIS DAD THATS GREAT HE IS HAPPY AND HIS DAD IS HAPPY WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PLAYERS WHO'S SATURDAY IS RUINED BY THIS NORTH HAVEN SMARTEN UP YOU TRIED TO BUY A FLAG WITH TUCKWELL IN THE LOW GRADES LAST YEAR AND NOW YOUR DOING IT AGAIN YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE COMPETITION .

[bazza1]

Joe are you mates with benny cousins? Where has any body said he has played A grade district cricket. Its his first game for the club and he played in al lower grade, who knows he might not be any good in the higher grades. He played for Penfield and didnt do anything out there, but i agree with you all, if he makes another score the will have to be selection decision to be made.
P.S JOE TAKE YOUR CAPS OF FFS

[Deep Heat]

WHERE DID I SAY HE PLAYED A GRADE DISTRICT CRICKET READ IT PROPERLY

[bazza1]

My apoligies.... no punctuation

[bazza1]

In section 5 where he played there is 10 teams, 2 of them are A grade teams 3 are B grade,
1 is a c grade team and the rest are D grade teams.

[Keefy]

Yeah one of those teams is Blackwood which is new to the comp. They have played in the Church comp for many a year. When i played for them back in the 90's we had 2 teams, playing in what is now Division 2 and the other side down in about Division 4. Over the years numbers have dwindled to where they eventually had one side.
The team they have entered this season is made of my brother and his mates and a couple of guys that have played for Blackwood for years and are getting on a bit in age but still want to get out and play and have some fun.

[Gowser]

The A&SCA constitution preamble states "To encourage the game of cricket" somehwere.
If playing cricket with your dad encourages the boy to play then good on him.
Last season i put in a request to be only be considered for selection in the same team as my younger brother who had a brain tumor and was due to have major surgery mid-season. My club and the committee gave me overwhelming support although some members had trouble accepting it. Minutes before going in to have half his brain taken out and staring death in the face, my lil bro was talking about a recent game where we got to open the batting and had a good partnership. I missed out on playing in a section 1 grand final, but i had some of my best times on a cricket field that season. Nothing beats enjoying the game alongside a family member.

It's Adelaide and Suburban cricket ie. a social competition. North Haven A's are getting runs so it's not like they need him. Let the boy have fun with his dad while they can.

[Tight_Lines]

Joe are you mates with benny cousins? Where has any body said he has played A grade district cricket. Its his first game for the club and he played in al lower grade, who knows he might not be any good in the higher grades. He played for Penfield and didnt do anything out there, but i agree with you all, if he makes another score the will have to be selection decision to be made.P.S JOE TAKE YOUR CAPS OF FFS

276 would be enough for a selection decision to be made. If he wants to play with his old man fair enough i wish i had that sort of an opportunity in any sport. This may have been an absolute one off he may not make any runs at all this sed eason another match would be acceptable more runs though and he'd have to go up.

And mind you its still half way through the first week who here is say that North Haven havent already made the decision to put him up no one has said he wont go up everyone has jumped onto Baz. And i think the Tuckwell incident he said his body wasnt right dominated below his level but good on him this year went straight back to the B's.

The right decision will be made!

[Red Ink]

It looks like some of you guys have a problem with NHCC. Ease up on Bazza boys, he did say the kid has played half a game, and you guys are out for blood. Calling North Haven a disgrace is a bit harsh. Who are we to condemn the management of this club. Joe, North Haven have won one premiership in about 10 years, which happened to be a section 2 Grand Final a couple of years ago, so how do you justify saying that they are buying premierships. Also, the old association handbooks show that in those ten years, North Haven have gone from 3 senior teams to 6 senior teams, and if i'm correct they also have 3 juniors teams. So, it seems like sound management to me.

Let me put this to you, how about we think out of the box and take a leaf out of North Havens book and promote the enjoyment of the game instead of pressuring our players to play higher then they a comfortable with. Maybe we will see an increase in kids playing cricket instead of a decrease. I'm sure North Haven can handle their own matters, and Young Quirk will eventually challenge himself to play higher.

[Deep Heat]

RED INK YOU ARE SAYING GOOD ON NORTH HAVEN FOR PROMOTING ENJOYING THE GAME DO YOU THINK THE 11 FIELDERS AND BOWLERS ENJOYED PLAYING AGAINST HIM AND WHAT ABOUT HIS TEAM MATES WHO SAT AND WATCHED PERHAPS MISSING OUT ON THERE OWN INNINGS I DONT THINK THAT ANY CRICKETER CAN BE PROUD OF A SECTION 7 SCORE OF 278 ITS EMBARRASSING IF ANYTHING I WOULD BE ASHAMED OF MYSELF

[Red Ink]

Joe, I'm sure the fielders would have been pretty annoyed that the player made runs. I know i'm unhappy when the opposition performs well. But i'm also pretty sure the players and and spectators would have sat back at the end of the game and said, " Damn that was an incredible innings". Also mate the score was made in a section 5 game not 7, and correct if if i'm wrong, I believe it was against Blackwoods A grade side.

[Keefy]

Yeah it is Blackwood's A grade side, it's their only side as i posted earlier. I'm not sure how many of them have actually played cricket at any sort of competitive level. There are a couple of guys there that are well into their 40's and the others are all around the 22-25 mark. I know there are a few there that probably haven't played since they left school.
As a club they are new to the association after playing in the Church comp for a number of years.

[Red Ink]

In that case may I welcome them to the Association, and hope they are around for many years. But one bad game should not dishearten them. As you mentioned earlier their bowling wasn't at its best on the day. But i'm also pretty sure you won't see this player making that sort of runs next time. Sometimes a player can just have everything go right for them on the day. Next time it imay be one of your players that has that good day.