ATCA

[Dutchy]

How about you play when it is forecast at 39, but if it hits 40 on the BOM app its cancelled?

Horrible situation

[whufc]

Horrible situation and feel for all involved.

Obviously and rightfully there has to be a weather policy and a cut off temperature but let's not lose sight whether the weather was 40.1 or 39.5 this may or would have happened. In these cases, there is normally more involved than just the heat. As it is coming out the gentlemen was participating in Ramadan so sadly wouldn't have been in the best condition to play in any conditions 30+.

Only spit balling but maybe rather than just a temperature figure thing such as bowling from the same end in blocks to speed up play from a time perspective and remove the need for fielders to be walking/jogging in between overs as far. Is that a fair compromise between keeping the aesthetics of the game but also just applying some common sense at an ammo level.

[Lightning McQueen]

Theres a big difference between a comfortable dry heat 42o and what we had yesterday.
Surely wind condition, humidity should be calculated into the ol Player Comfort Meter for a final decision.

Finals timing obviously adds pressure to these decisions.

PDCA have this right, crystal clear with no grey area.

I had this debate a few weeks on the SA Footballer FB page, someone labelled the PDCA heat policy as weak, to me this is aimed for the 40+ unconditioned bloke that won't let his team mates down because it's hot.

I'm sure most of the ATCA A Grade players are in far better nick than C Graders, I felt crap just hanging my washing out on Saturday, went straight to the pub after that.

I feel for the Concordia CC and all of the people present at the game, I've lost a mate in similar circumstances and watched another close mate suffer a stroke on a hot day, absolutely horrible

[Lightning McQueen]

Horrible situation and feel for all involved.

Obviously and rightfully there has to be a weather policy and a cut off temperature but let's not lose sight whether the weather was 40.1 or 39.5 this may or would have happened. In these cases, there is normally more involved than just the heat. As it is coming out the gentlemen was participating in Ramadan so sadly wouldn't have been in the best condition to play in any conditions 30+.

Only spit balling but maybe rather than just a temperature figure thing such as bowling from the same end in blocks to speed up play from a time perspective and remove the need for fielders to be walking/jogging in between overs as far. Is that a fair compromise between keeping the aesthetics of the game but also just applying some common sense at an ammo level.

If it's hot it's hot and Saturday was that, just have a number and call it off.

[Booney]

Given there are mitigating factors in this incident I think it's difficult to question the policies of the association, however, and I'll happily admit I've softened in my later years I think the game at lower levels in particular should look to work place reforms and use 37° as a temperature to review playing conditions.

Tragic outcome for all involved and thoughts with those who witnessed the happenings.

[wenchbarwer]

Given there are mitigating factors in this incident I think it's difficult to question the policies of the association, however, and I'll happily admit I've softened in my later years I think the game at lower levels in particular should look to work place reforms and use 37° as a temperature to review playing conditions.

Tragic outcome for all involved and thoughts with those who witnessed the happenings.

Baseball have 37 as their trigger for Saturday games (D3 & Below)

Games are limited to an hour & a half, and if the temps over 40 it's cancelled. I played for fun, and it's just as fun drinking beers when it's hot.

[Trader]

Given there are mitigating factors in this incident I think it's difficult to question the policies of the association, however, and I'll happily admit I've softened in my later years I think the game at lower levels in particular should look to work place reforms and use 37° as a temperature to review playing conditions.

Agreed, clearly other factors at play here rather than just the weather.

With respect to playing conditions, Extra drinks breaks, relaxing the strict adherence to over rates, longer team breaks, etc all occur once the temps start to climb, generally these start to come in when the forecast temps get into the 30s and happen with agreement of the two captains in the lower grades, and with the umpires in the higher ones. I don't think I've played a game over 35 in the last 10 years that didn't have these agreed.

Theres a big difference between a comfortable dry heat 42o and what we had yesterday.
Surely wind condition, humidity should be calculated into the ol Player Comfort Meter for a final decision.

Cricket Australia has put out a Heat Stress Risk Index (HSRI) that calculates these factors (Temp, Wind, Humidity and Overhead conditions (ie direct sun or overcast, etc)).
0-3 play as normal, 4-7 consider drinks breaks, etc, 8-10 mandatory implementation of extra drinks, longer breaks, etc, 11+ suspend the match.

If you input the peak conditions in Adelaide on Saturday (ie: the 41 it hit for a short period, 20% humidity and 25km/hr winds), the rating spits out an 8, suggesting playing in those conditions was acceptable, provided you were doing the extra drinks, etc, which I understand they were.

If you wish to look at the tool and play around with it to see how conditions impact the rating, you can click on the custom tab on the following page:
https://cnsw.ludisanalytics.com/

[whufc]

Given there are mitigating factors in this incident I think it's difficult to question the policies of the association, however, and I'll happily admit I've softened in my later years I think the game at lower levels in particular should look to work place reforms and use 37° as a temperature to review playing conditions.

Tragic outcome for all involved and thoughts with those who witnessed the happenings.

Couldn't agree more with this.

Now that I'm older i couldn't see any issues with any comps especially in the lower grades who make a range of hybrid type rules for when whether gets to 35+, then 38+ etc. Whether that be 'new normal' rules like play from one end to speed up time, whether its extra drink breaks or heaven forbid crazier ideas like a fielder is allowed a bottle of water behind them and the standard 5 run penalty rule applies. (Admittedly may not have helped in this tragedy)

Like LM said the rules need to cater for the 40-year-old cricketer not the superstar fitness fanatic.

[Brodlach]

I played over 150 senior games

I played in all conditions including 43 degree heat on many occasions. Once bowled 29 overs straight on a 42 degree day (early injury to another strike bowler).

My worst day ever was a day we played near Greenacres, was only about 34 but the humidity was nearly 100%. I use to bowl 20 overs a day at least, that day I bowled 3 as I just couldn’t breathe. Cramp set in about 20 overs in.

My point is each player is different and different factors affect different players. You need to know when to stop as a player and not push yourself.

[The Bedge]

You need to know when to stop as a player and not push yourself.

Sorry mate I can't agree with this.

I think generally most will know when their at their limits - I'm overweight and have some health concerns so I make sure I'm more aware of how I'm tracking.. but some people perhaps don't, or realise they're dehydrated or stressed, or the heat just might put more stress on them unknowingly.

We had a guy at our club who made 100 a while back, felt good, then went out to field and about 4 overs in just collapsed and died.

I think one of the biggest things needs to be your mates also watching out for you..

Side note, I had to retire hurt earlier this year because after 40 overs in the field and 20 overs batting started getting the shakes and very light headed.. had to come off, have a cold shower and got fluids in, took me about an hour to start feeling any good.. then the oppo weren't gonna let me come back out and bat at the end of the innings coz i had retired and they wanted to win.

[The Bedge]

My worst day ever was a day we played near Greenacres, was only about 34 but the humidity was nearly 100%. I use to bowl 20 overs a day at least, that day I bowled 3 as I just couldn’t breathe. Cramp set in about 20 overs in.

Worst day I ever played was when they used to cancel games in the morning based off the forecast. It had been forecast around 40 all week, so Friday night being young went out and had a massive night on the gas expecting to be cancelled...

Forecast came back 39 in the morning, lost the toss, fielded all day, bowled a treat still . Ended up being almost 42 degrees all day, went home and thought I was gonna die.

Horrible day that one - swore I wouldn't drink before cricket again.. that lasted 5 days.

[whufc]

You need to know when to stop as a player and not push yourself.

Sorry mate I can't agree with this.

I think generally most will know when their at their limits - I'm overweight and have some health concerns so I make sure I'm more aware of how I'm tracking.. but some people perhaps don't, or realise they're dehydrated or stressed, or the heat just might put more stress on them unknowingly.

We had a guy at our club who made 100 a while back, felt good, then went out to field and about 4 overs in just collapsed and died.

I think one of the biggest things needs to be your mates also watching out for you..

Side note, I had to retire hurt earlier this year because after 40 overs in the field and 20 overs batting started getting the shakes and very light headed.. had to come off, have a cold shower and got fluids in, took me about an hour to start feeling any good.. then the oppo weren't gonna let me come back out and bat at the end of the innings coz i had retired and they wanted to win.

I agree. I'm 40 and consider myself 'reasonably fit' for my age. I still run 5 minute 5km. I can play a b grade game of footy if needed but probably slightly heavier than i would like to be.

My last couple of years of cricket the hot weather really started getting to me even though i didn't drink the night before games and generally tried to do all the right things food and hydration wise. Some Saturday nights were horrible.

Not sure what the answer is, does the league just run massive awareness around looking after one another. Will that get through once competitive spirit kicks in and will it have an impact.

Do leagues need to bring in a rule..... should players over 40 be able to have a super sub (one bats, one bowls) are we messing with the rules to much.

Should it be commonplace a fielder can have a water bottle out on the oval with them. Is it that big a deal, so someone doesn't have to wait 10 overs (40-45 minutes) for a drink?

Do you go even crazier and start maximizing spell lengths on days that are 35 or over.....haha that would go down like a led balloon, what about the batters.

Or is it an over-reaction on what undoubtedly is a tragic incident.

[Brodlach]

You need to know when to stop as a player and not push yourself.

Sorry mate I can't agree with this.

I think generally most will know when their at their limits - I'm overweight and have some health concerns so I make sure I'm more aware of how I'm tracking.. but some people perhaps don't, or realise they're dehydrated or stressed, or the heat just might put more stress on them unknowingly.

We had a guy at our club who made 100 a while back, felt good, then went out to field and about 4 overs in just collapsed and died.

I think one of the biggest things needs to be your mates also watching out for you..

Side note, I had to retire hurt earlier this year because after 40 overs in the field and 20 overs batting started getting the shakes and very light headed.. had to come off, have a cold shower and got fluids in, took me about an hour to start feeling any good.. then the oppo weren't gonna let me come back out and bat at the end of the innings coz i had retired and they wanted to win.

Whilst I understand what you are saying and I agree with most of what you are saying, people need to know their limits. Someone who is observing Ramadan had to know with zero fluid or food on a 40 degree day that they are going to be effected.

Yes people around need to be observant of both their team and opponents

[The Bedge]

Whilst I understand what you are saying and I agree with most of what you are saying, people need to know their limits. Someone who is observing Ramadan had to know with zero fluid or food on a 40 degree day that they are going to be effected.

Yes people around need to be observant of both their team and opponents

I get that, I guess in his defence he's a lot older, he's completed Ramadan probably 20+ years and regularly plays cricket both Saturday and Sunday so didn't think much of it.

I would've sat out if i was doing Ramadan, I wasn't even comfortable having my U14's playing Sat/Sun Grand Final knowing 7 of them were fasting.

[The Bedge]

Anyway, it's incredibly sad, and I feel for the family but also everyone involved in the match who was there to experience it.

I've got mates who played when we lost our player, who have never taken the field again since that day.

[Dutchy]

Anyone remember the year back in the 90's when it hit 44, before the heat policy came in? It was in February and I remember having to go to a wedding reception afterwards in a marque with no air con!

[Booney]

Anyone remember the year back in the 90's when it hit 44, before the heat policy came in? It was in February and I remember having to go to a wedding reception afterwards in a marque with no air con!

My good mate and then captain made 154 at Coro Ramblers one day when it hit 45° and I had to drive his car home, he wasn't in any state to drive.

[heater31]

Whilst I understand what you are saying and I agree with most of what you are saying, people need to know their limits. Someone who is observing Ramadan had to know with zero fluid or food on a 40 degree day that they are going to be effected.

Yes people around need to be observant of both their team and opponents

I get that, I guess in his defence he's a lot older, he's completed Ramadan probably 20+ years and regularly plays cricket both Saturday and Sunday so didn't think much of it.

I would've sat out if i was doing Ramadan, I wasn't even comfortable having my U14's playing Sat/Sun Grand Final knowing 7 of them were fasting.

Also the lead up was hot as well. Several days of excessive heat and fasting leading up to it would not have helped either.

[OKC!]

It's a tragic situation and you hate to hear of such incidents.

They have taken the fixture down now, but i looked as soon as i heard and the game was stopped when they were 0 down batting in the second innings so you can only imagine if he collapsed while playing as it has been reported then he fielded the 40 overs then went straight out to bat.

It is a tough situation, and its a tough one to make policy on because forecast is just that, a forecast. There have been plenty of games that it has been forecast for 40 and ended up well below and vice versa. It would seem safer to bring the temp down to cancel games, but this might result in 4 or 5 weekends called off a year, and people will complain about that.

Again, terrible to hear and thoughts are with the club family and friends.

[Insider_Trading]

Bern following everyone's comments on here and the reports in the media in the last couple days, this is such a sad story. I hate hearing people in the cricket community suffering.


It would be interesting to read the coroners report as to the cause of death and if the heat played any part in it as if it did, the cricket association should be made to review the conditions that can cause the cancellation of play. There will be a duty of care from the association into conditions that prevailed on the day.


Having said that though, I think it might be an over reaction too.
Remember when Phil Hughes passed away and for the next month there was chatter about bowling bouncers, bowling with hard balls, never bowling short again etc.
Then a month later we were all back to normal, although being more aware of head knocks.
There may be a complete over reaction here, then we will relax a bit more when the emotion is out of the situation and hopefully be slightly more aware of how we feel in the heat.