Para District Cricket Association 2012/13

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Is Don 'the dud' Pearce still umpiring!??

[daysofourlives]

I didnt think he had alot to do really. Gave an LBW shout no out as he thought it hit bat first which looked pretty plumb, didnt matter much because the very next ball the fella on strike was given out LBW when he clearly hit it first - the old square up.

He did mention the beamer though - something about the bowler getting in the way and him not really being able to see?? Heard Shane was pretty disappointed over it.

Why doesnt't square leg call the waist high full toss? Surely he has a better view of it?

[Grahaml]

I didnt think he had alot to do really. Gave an LBW shout no out as he thought it hit bat first which looked pretty plumb, didnt matter much because the very next ball the fella on strike was given out LBW when he clearly hit it first - the old square up.

He did mention the beamer though - something about the bowler getting in the way and him not really being able to see?? Heard Shane was pretty disappointed over it.

Why doesnt't square leg call the waist high full toss? Surely he has a better view of it?

An official as central and batting team's own player at square leg. Just imagine.

[daysofourlives]

I didnt think he had alot to do really. Gave an LBW shout no out as he thought it hit bat first which looked pretty plumb, didnt matter much because the very next ball the fella on strike was given out LBW when he clearly hit it first - the old square up.

He did mention the beamer though - something about the bowler getting in the way and him not really being able to see?? Heard Shane was pretty disappointed over it.

Why doesnt't square leg call the waist high full toss? Surely he has a better view of it?

An official as central and batting team's own player at square leg. Just imagine.

May as well have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings and run outs at the strikers end too then.
I don't see the problem with your own team calling no balls

[Grahaml]

I get your point, but central is in a horrible position to see run outs and stumpings. He's in a better position to see no balls, but the less a biased umpire does and the more an unbiased does the better. Wasn't that long ago we had an example of blatant cheating from a square leg, imagine the chaos if the guy as brazenly started calling knee high fullies no balls? Especially an opposition's gun bowler!

Where there is no official or 2 officials square leg should call it.

[Nobody]

I think the square leg umpire has every right to call a no ball.
The central umpires seem to be under the impression that if they
Don't call it/don't give it out, it just can't be. They can't be wrong!
In summing up I think the close no balls should be allowed to be called
From square leg with the central umpire haveing the power to over rule (the obvious bad calls)
But at the same time the central umpire should take into concideration
What the square leg thinks obviously because he is in a better position to make
The call.

[Grahaml]

I think the square leg umpire has every right to call a no ball.
The central umpires seem to be under the impression that if they
Don't call it/don't give it out, it just can't be. They can't be wrong!
In summing up I think the close no balls should be allowed to be called
From square leg with the central umpire haveing the power to over rule (the obvious bad calls)
But at the same time the central umpire should take into concideration
What the square leg thinks obviously because he is in a better position to make
The call.

Which is no different. Central umpire makes the call in both cases. Just in one we have square legs calling it first then getting it revoked.

All that can really be done is to ask central umpires to look to square legs in cases where they think it might be close. If the square leg signals it's too high, the central can take it or leave it.

Ultimately though, if official umpires are going to plain make bad mistakes, no rule change will fix it. Unless you're bringing TV cameras for a referral system.

[Lightning McQueen]

May as well have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings and run outs at the strikers end too then.
I don't see the problem with your own team calling no balls

For sure, he could be used as a guide and then the central umpire could make his own mind up, they are tricky but the first thing I do is look at the square leg.

[Tee Off]

IMO to have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings etc is ludicrous.. Some of the umps struggle to give out obvious dismissals as it is! Personally I wouldn't mind chipping in a few extra bux to have another association umpire at square leg especially in div 1. If a shortage of umps is the case then perhaps look at training up some more..

[Lightning McQueen]

IMO to have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings etc is ludicrous.. Some of the umps struggle to give out obvious dismissals as it is! Personally I wouldn't mind chipping in a few extra bux to have another association umpire at square leg especially in div 1. If a shortage of umps is the case then perhaps look at training up some more..

Sounds good in theory. There's not a huge rush for blokes wanting to stand around in the heat all Saturday afternoon watching a game of cricket that they couldn't give a shit about and getting $70 or $80 for. It's not the easiest gig in the world at times aswell so the personal morale can cop a flogging.
It's very easy to make a mistake and you have to live with it for the rest of the day, I made one in a semi last year on a caught behind where the wind was travelling away from me, I didn't hear it, it made no deflection, I gave it not out, my counterpart told me it was relatively thick at the next opportunity.

[Lightning McQueen]

Is Don 'the dud' Pearce still umpiring!??

I don't think he is, didn't last season.

[Grahaml]

IMO to have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings etc is ludicrous.. Some of the umps struggle to give out obvious dismissals as it is! Personally I wouldn't mind chipping in a few extra bux to have another association umpire at square leg especially in div 1. If a shortage of umps is the case then perhaps look at training up some more..

So long as you and your teammates are happy to pay an extra $20 a week each then you might get enough umpires to do that.

[Tee Off]

IMO to have the central umpire adjudicate on stumpings etc is ludicrous.. Some of the umps struggle to give out obvious dismissals as it is! Personally I wouldn't mind chipping in a few extra bux to have another association umpire at square leg especially in div 1. If a shortage of umps is the case then perhaps look at training up some more..

Sounds good in theory. There's not a huge rush for blokes wanting to stand around in the heat all Saturday afternoon watching a game of cricket that they couldn't give a shit about and getting $70 or $80 for. It's not the easiest gig in the world at times aswell so the personal morale can cop a flogging.
It's very easy to make a mistake and you have to live with it for the rest of the day, I made one in a semi last year on a caught behind where the wind was travelling away from me, I didn't hear it, it made no deflection, I gave it not out, my counterpart told me it was relatively thick at the next opportunity.

I agree mate.. It can be a tough gig especially on those hot days. Maybe putting an add up somewhere in like centerlink offices or rsl clubs asking for umps would generate some interest!? $70 odd bux surely would appeal to some rock & rollers in such circles? But as you say.. it's all good in theory.

And as I said Grahaml.. would be happy to chip in a few extra pasos..

[Lightning McQueen]

I agree mate.. It can be a tough gig especially on those hot days. Maybe putting an add up somewhere in like centerlink offices or rsl clubs asking for umps would generate some interest!? $70 odd bux surely would appeal to some rock & rollers in such circles? But as you say.. it's all good in theory.

And as I said Grahaml.. would be happy to chip in a few extra pasos..

Or a drug clinic or cashies.

[Tee Off]

I agree mate.. It can be a tough gig especially on those hot days. Maybe putting an add up somewhere in like centerlink offices or rsl clubs asking for umps would generate some interest!? $70 odd bux surely would appeal to some rock & rollers in such circles? But as you say.. it's all good in theory.

And as I said Grahaml.. would be happy to chip in a few extra pasos..

Or a drug clinic or cashies.

Haha.. Cashies would be a certain goer!

[Grahaml]

I agree mate.. It can be a tough gig especially on those hot days. Maybe putting an add up somewhere in like centerlink offices or rsl clubs asking for umps would generate some interest!? $70 odd bux surely would appeal to some rock & rollers in such circles? But as you say.. it's all good in theory.

And as I said Grahaml.. would be happy to chip in a few extra pasos..

Or a drug clinic or cashies.

Haha.. Cashies would be a certain goer!

Lol. Not sure whether you'll get better decisions though.

The current payment is $90 a day in the top grades and we have around 10 umpires weekly. I've long felt recruiting for umpires in the PDCA was poor at best, but to get the umpires you're talking about you'll need major numbers. Increasing the payment to $150 per umpire a day will start to attract a few more. $300 a day for each team though for that. You might be happy to chip in more, but what about the rest of the team? I have trouble getting $5 from some blokes let along $30.

Then again, should we get 30 umpires is it reasonable to assign 16 to grade 1 and 2 and leave most of the other games without any?

[Lightning McQueen]

I thought the standard of umpiring has been good over the past few season's, remove some ego's and just get out there and give the decisions that you think are the correct one's and that's all that can be asked.
I think they've been that way in recent times.


Hi Bob.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I thought the standard of umpiring has been good over the past few season's, remove some ego's and just get out there and give the decisions that you think are the correct one's and that's all that can be asked.
I think they've been that way in recent times.


Hi Bob.

Agreed, although you know how it is - if something is good you tell 2 people, if something is bad you tell 100 people.

I think there is probably only a handful of decisions over the past few years that have been bad, but more importantly lesser % of those infact almost none have had an impact on the result - the exception being last yr in the 1 day game vs SW

[Tee Off]

I agree mate.. It can be a tough gig especially on those hot days. Maybe putting an add up somewhere in like centerlink offices or rsl clubs asking for umps would generate some interest!? $70 odd bux surely would appeal to some rock & rollers in such circles? But as you say.. it's all good in theory.

And as I said Grahaml.. would be happy to chip in a few extra pasos..

Or a drug clinic or cashies.

Haha.. Cashies would be a certain goer!

Lol. Not sure whether you'll get better decisions though.

The current payment is $90 a day in the top grades and we have around 10 umpires weekly. I've long felt recruiting for umpires in the PDCA was poor at best, but to get the umpires you're talking about you'll need major numbers. Increasing the payment to $150 per umpire a day will start to attract a few more. $300 a day for each team though for that. You might be happy to chip in more, but what about the rest of the team? I have trouble getting $5 from some blokes let along $30.

Then again, should we get 30 umpires is it reasonable to assign 16 to grade 1 and 2 and leave most of the other games without any?

True about the decisions lol. Though I was referring to div 1 in regards to the second umpire as they do in turf. By no means am I taking anything away from the lower grades however as div 1 is the premier grade you'd assume they'd get priority of a second ump.. As for costs etc, perhaps only grade 1 players fork out a little extra for the privilage!? As for how you get the extra coin from them is another issue for individual clubs to work out I guess!?

[Phantom Gossiper]

True about the decisions lol. Though I was referring to div 1 in regards to the second umpire as they do in turf. By no means am I taking anything away from the lower grades however as div 1 is the premier grade you'd assume they'd get priority of a second ump.. As for costs etc, perhaps only grade 1 players fork out a little extra for the privilage!? As for how you get the extra coin from them is another issue for individual clubs to work out I guess!?

ATCA is a far bigger comp, with greater numbers, $$ and resources.

Getting players to pay extra for a 2nd umpire would never happen, as with all sports, clubs struggle to get fees paid in full and on time from players, so by adding an extra cost you can guarantee the clubs would end up having to pick up the bill.

Not only that, but is it fair to ask a bloke called into div 1 for 1 week to fill a hole who will not bowl and bat 11 to chip in some $$ for an umpire?