Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2011-12

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I think we would all prefer the call off than a game decided by the toss.

I think we would all enjoy to play the game TC, that is what we are here to do afterall.
The beauty of turf cricket is the variables it dishes up. Are we not becoming a bit soft in not wanting to play on a sticky pitch. Day 1 pitch of a test is different to Day 5 and we all underatnd that. Do the batsman on day 1 say I am not batting on day 5 becasue the ball is not coming on as much!

If we didn't want the conditions to change then maybe we should play hard wicket, where the conditions are the same day after day. This is not having a go at anyone playing hard wicket as I have done so myself.

Of concern though is the number of clubs struggling/pulling out U/17 teams.[/quote]

Hope Valleys 17's aren't complaining

The main problem with letting the decision go to the ground, is it takes two captains to agree to play if their aren't umpires, and more often than not one isn't willing to.
I agree, games should be played unless the pitch is a mudpit, but it's probably fairer in the context of the season (finals/relegation) to call off the days play rather than have a handful of clubs play and gain extra points as a result of circumstances completely out of their control.

In a perfect world we'd get a game every week.

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Of concern though is the number of clubs struggling/pulling out U/17 teams.

When does this grade play??

Sundays

[tigerpie]

but it's probably fairer in the context of the season (finals/relegation) to call off the days play rather than have a handful of clubs play and gain extra points as a result of circumstances completely out of their control
correct!!!!

If you consult the curators you can find out early then teams dont have to turn up. if the curator cant be found then the club secretary should know the state of the block.
Its tough to grow grass this time of the year especially grounds that have heavy winter sport traffic, and some squares get pretty messed up when play gets underway when its too wet just to get a result, which is heavily biased towards the toss winner anyway.

Ring every club secretary and find out what the chances of play are for every ground and make an informed decision.

[Tony Clifton]

If you consult the curators you can find out early then teams dont have to turn up. if the curator cant be found then the club secretary should know the state of the block.
Its tough to grow grass this time of the year especially grounds that have heavy winter sport traffic, and some squares get pretty messed up when play gets underway when its too wet just to get a result, which is heavily biased towards the toss winner anyway.

Ring every club secretary and find out what the chances of play are for every ground and make an informed decision.

Couldn't the curator/clubs just send a text message in to ATCA on the Friday?

ATCA could just have a list of games on the front page of their website with the status for each ground listed - ok / cancelled / tba

They could update it as the pitch reports come in without having to play phone tag with the secretaries of 50 clubs.

There could be a cut off point too. Eg once x% of games are cancelled, the whole round is abandoned.

[sports follower]

Couldn't the curator/clubs just send a text message in to ATCA on the Friday?

ATCA could just have a list of games on the front page of their website with the status for each ground listed - ok / cancelled / tba

They could update it as the pitch reports come in without having to play phone tag with the secretaries of 50 clubs.

There could be a cut off point too. Eg once x% of games are cancelled, the whole round is abandoned.

Or Tony Greig could jump in the channel 9 chopper with key in hand and do 50 pitch reports direct back to ATCA!

[EldersUniSA]

If you consult the curators you can find out early then teams dont have to turn up. if the curator cant be found then the club secretary should know the state of the block.
Its tough to grow grass this time of the year especially grounds that have heavy winter sport traffic, and some squares get pretty messed up when play gets underway when its too wet just to get a result, which is heavily biased towards the toss winner anyway.

Ring every club secretary and find out what the chances of play are for every ground and make an informed decision.

Couldn't the curator/clubs just send a text message in to ATCA on the Friday?

ATCA could just have a list of games on the front page of their website with the status for each ground listed - ok / cancelled / tba

They could update it as the pitch reports come in without having to play phone tag with the secretaries of 50 clubs.

There could be a cut off point too. Eg once x% of games are cancelled, the whole round is abandoned.

Works if you trust every Club, Secretary and Curator. But open to Bias and even abuse if the club may benefit by not playing. You need a neutral decision. If ATCA had unlimited resources and time they could check every ground, but just not fanancially viable. Current policy is the best I can think off, As long as they check grounds randomly.

[tigerpie]

Firstly you wouldnt have to speak to 50 secretaries as most clubs have up to 4 sides. One call will determine how their 2 blocks are looking.
Secondly, i think the longest trip would be Hope Valley to Reynella. Its maybe 40-50 km's in distance. Therefore the atca should at least make contact with these 2 clubs and ask how the decks are looking. It may be chucking it down at Hope Valley but fine at Reynella.
Thirdly, in the city and northern suburbs there may be up to 5 clubs or more in a 5-10 km radius so one call to the middle club in that area would determine the state of their wickets.
Theres been 1 draw in A1 (apparently ahos were told not to prepare a deck by the school), 5 in A2 and none in A3, so covers would solve a lot of these problems as the stats given show.
Its not that hard to make a fair call on playing conditions. Certainly not 50 calls to 50 different secretaries as claimed above.
Common sense isnt that difficult to manage!!!

[interested observer]

Firstly you wouldnt have to speak to 50 secretaries as most clubs have up to 4 sides. One call will determine how their 2 blocks are looking.
Secondly, i think the longest trip would be Hope Valley to Reynella. Its maybe 40-50 km's in distance. Therefore the atca should at least make contact with these 2 clubs and ask how the decks are looking. It may be chucking it down at Hope Valley but fine at Reynella.
Thirdly, in the city and northern suburbs there may be up to 5 clubs or more in a 5-10 km radius so one call to the middle club in that area would determine the state of their wickets.
Theres been 1 draw in A1 (apparently ahos were told not to prepare a deck by the school), 5 in A2 and none in A3, so covers would solve a lot of these problems as the stats given show.
Its not that hard to make a fair call on playing conditions. Certainly not 50 calls to 50 different secretaries as claimed above.
Common sense isnt that difficult to manage!!!

So a hypothetical....
Reynella V Pooraka at Reynella
Day 1 Pooraka make 250 and at close of play have Reynella in all sorts at 6/30
There is rain around most of Friday and early Saturday and a call is made to Reynella re pitch conditions for day 2..
What do you honestly think the answer would be ????

[tigerpie]

The answer would be an honest one. At Reynella we dont fix games. We have integrity and dont mess with the cricket gods. Our blokes would play on anything served up by the weather, they just want to play. 2 things to consider....risk of injury, and severely damaging the block.
In that instance there is a senior atca umpire who lives 3 minutes away. He comes down and gives it the once over and makes the call in conjunction with the curator.

[interested observer]

The answer would be an honest one. At Reynella we dont fix games. We have integrity and dont mess with the cricket gods. Our blokes would play on anything served up by the weather, they just want to play. 2 things to consider....risk of injury, and severely damaging the block.
In that instance there is a senior atca umpire who lives 3 minutes away. He comes down and gives it the once over and makes the call in conjunction with the curator.

Harry has black and white in his blood !!!

[tigerpie]

The answer would be an honest one. At Reynella we dont fix games. We have integrity and dont mess with the cricket gods. Our blokes would play on anything served up by the weather, they just want to play. 2 things to consider....risk of injury, and severely damaging the block.
In that instance there is a senior atca umpire who lives 3 minutes away. He comes down and gives it the once over and makes the call in conjunction with the curator.

Harry has black and white in his blood !!!

Ok so theres 2 umpires 3 minutes away. I was thinking about Lindsay.

Good catch though!!!! But Harry's an umpire first on Saturday, clubman after 7.00pm.

[Tony Clifton]

Firstly you wouldnt have to speak to 50 secretaries as most clubs have up to 4 sides. One call will determine how their 2 blocks are looking.
Secondly, i think the longest trip would be Hope Valley to Reynella. Its maybe 40-50 km's in distance. Therefore the atca should at least make contact with these 2 clubs and ask how the decks are looking. It may be chucking it down at Hope Valley but fine at Reynella.
Thirdly, in the city and northern suburbs there may be up to 5 clubs or more in a 5-10 km radius so one call to the middle club in that area would determine the state of their wickets.
Theres been 1 draw in A1 (apparently ahos were told not to prepare a deck by the school), 5 in A2 and none in A3, so covers would solve a lot of these problems as the stats given show.
Its not that hard to make a fair call on playing conditions. Certainly not 50 calls to 50 different secretaries as claimed above.
Common sense isnt that difficult to manage!!!

Yes it is. There are 52 clubs listed as ATCA clubs on their website.

[tigerpie]

Not disputing the number of clubs. Some are very close neighbours so you ring 1 in payneham, 1 in flinders pk, 1 in ingle farm etc etc.

[The Hound]

Seeing as though it was to wet for some to play last week, I beleive the ATCA is looking at implementing the heat policy for tomorrow as it will be over 30 degrees.

[Tiger Couple]

The good point is cricket will get under way this weekend with good weather and a even playing field for both teams.

Couldn't see SACA funding covers until they have them on all Senior Grounds first. If clubs want covers badly enough they will seek out grants and fundraise. Any extra money SACA has would be much better spent on Grass roots development at clubs.

The point I think Tigerpie is missing is that they Dave Heyzer goes around to a number of grounds and either board members or the Emergency Committee look at others at they make a decision based on that. Unlikely to travel down to Reynella to have a look though as no other ground in that area.

This is the only fair way to do it. To look at every ground is unrealistice and not needed as they would only call games off if a certain percentage of Ovals are unfit. This makes it fair for all clubs as no one plays if not enough grounds are fit for play.

Lets hope this is the last time we need to talk wet pitches and hope the fine weather stays around and lets cricket be played.

[OKC!]

Ingle Farm Beat Pooraka 312 to around 250.

Ingle Farm
Sandery 133
Carson 70 odd
Calabria 4/30 odd

Pooraka
Ellicot 101/102
Rogers 50 odd

Dont know who got wickets.

Disappointing but hopefully wil bounce back next week against Modbury!

[tigerpie]

brighton, marion, flinders uni, and southern district are all reasonably close T.C. As i stated earlier 2 senior umps live 2 mins away.Get them to have a look, or at least ring the secretary and see what he thinks.

[Tiger Couple]

I heard over the weekend that game at Brighton didn't go ahead Sunday Morning as the pitches were still on the damp side but dried enough in time for the afternoon games.

If this is correct then it would be fair to say all 3 ovals at Brighton 2 at Marion and 2 at Flinders Uni would not have got away on the Saturday.

So that is potentially 0/7 grounds fit for play, I am sure you are correct that Reynella would have got away that makes it 1/8 which is 25% and if that was then stadard around the State then surely the Assocition did the right thing.

Would Woodcorft have been playable two weeks ago?

I will say that I'm sure if consulted you guys would give a very honest opinion but I'm not sure all clubs have secretaries that have knowledge on wickets and council curators are very hard to get hold of Saturday morning.

[tigerpie]

I will say that I'm sure if consulted you guys would give a very honest opinion but I'm not sure all clubs have secretaries that have knowledge on wickets and council curators are very hard to get hold of Saturday morning
And thats where the president and secretary should be kept in the loop. Thats their job.
Woodcroft was fine, as was reynella.

[Moe]

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