Heat Policy

[locky801]

I also made every bowlers longest spell to be 4 overs...

wish I had got a 4 over spell when I played

[Grahaml]

Para districts policy is once 40 is predicted on the 6pm news on friday night for Elizabeth, the games are called off. Otherwise, if both captains agree it's too hot they can still call the game off and share the points.

Proper hydration makes an enormous difference to how your body copes with the heat. However, most people are dehydrated most of the time and even athletes struggle to rehydrate themselves well enough in the heat. Common sense and taking more time to make sure people drink enough water during the day can prevent most problems. In many ways it's easier to do this in social comps because you don't have to answer to a match referee for slow over rates!

And global warming is the general trend of the entire earth's surface temperature to increase. It doesn't mean each year it's going to be hotter, and it doesn't even mean the average temperature is even increasing everywhere. Anyway, it looks certain that Australia will be getting hotter over the next 50 years, regardless of whether we reduce our carbon emissions, but that's another story altogether.

[mal]

Amateur cricketer dies in 36c heat
Advertiser 18/02/08 page 17 for the full report

Para Hills cricketer Anthony Barnes known to his mates as Booney
died playing cricket on Saturday afternoon.
Shortly after bowling 9 overs 4/35 Booney left the oval feeling unwell
He died soon after.

My condolances to friends and family


Opinions are divided on this topic
Irrespective of who is right or wrong, perhaps in view of losing Anthony
the cricketing associations could now make a heat policy awareness meeting with the clubs ?

[heater31]

extremely sad to see this type of stuff happening on a cricket field. My condolances.


However, common sense must prevail in these extreme conditions. For example I was playing a game out at Para Hills and I must say it was rather warm and I am fortunate enough to play in a competition where umpires are supplied and these two blokes that stood in my game had enough sense to allow an extended drinks break in the last session to allow myself and team mates an opportunity to have a cold water poured over our head by showers. and by heck it was needed as I was mid way through an 8 over spell and I was knackered after feilding all friggin day and the opposition not loosing a wicket until over number 64 didn't help the cause either.

[wycbloods]

My condolances as well to his family and teammates.

It is unfortunate that this has happened but as heater described lengthier drinks breaks and proper hydration will normally be enough to keep players and umpires safe. I hope that playing cricket in 36 degree heat was not the only cause, because if it was many associations may take it to a point where we are not playing in these temperatures. I would be very dissapointed if it did get to that as it is a summer sport. My associations cut off is 40 degrees which i think is where it should be however i understand that this unfortunate death will again highlight the issue of heat related stress.

[locky801]

Thats terrible news and sympathy to his family, friends and team mates

[matt]

Very, very sad.

I'm glad that I no longer bowl these days as for someone as unfit as I am to go out and bowl 9 overs on the bounce in this kind of heat is getting into dangerous territory. When it's really hot and you start to feel a bit dizzy and the face is beetroot red are you still aok? Is this normal? Who knows how far we can push our bodies.
As a teenager, early twenty something 100 overs in the field in 40 degree heat wasn't something to look forward to but it could be handled. I fielded for 40 overs and batted for 30 overs on Saturday and I was cactus Saturday night. I sit in an a/c office all day and go home to an a/c house. Hardly the best prep for running around in the heat.
I'm thankful that the ATCA calls our games off when 40 and above. Sure it is not for everyone and some can handle it better than others but in the interests of getting older players to continue to be involved this is a sound policy. Lots of water v important aswell of course!

[twogood4u]

1. all weather predictions are made in the shade 2. thinning of ozone layer = more skin cancer.3 2 day games become 2 one day games when 38 is predicted and of course more drink brakes . 4. Any doc will tell you 3 hour in 30+ heat is bad for you! so what about 38+ fr 6 hours. The rules must be more flexable for captains, so they can make joint deccission in respect of players health.

[Punk Rooster]

what about the introduction of 20-20 for heat affected days?

[Booney]

What about starting earlier? I like the 20/20 concept Punky,might be something in that for all of us..

[am Bays]

what about the introduction of 20-20 for heat affected days?

What about drinking a 1-2 L of water over the morning before you leave for the ground, what about more regular drinks breaks, what about captains bowling players in shorter spells and most importantly what about staying off the p!ss before the game (I've played with plenty of players that don't do that).

Sorry having played cricket in the NT for over 15 years where it is hotter and or as hot but with more humidity than what you get down here - you get short shrift from me when people say its too hot for cricket. It is all about your preparation.

No need to change the games format only a need for players to be more responsible in their preparation no matter what level of cricket you play.

[rainbow warrior]

what about the introduction of 20-20 for heat affected days?

What about drinking a 1-2 L of water over the morning before you leave for the ground, what about more regular drinks breaks, what about captains bowling players in shorter spells and most importantly what about staying off the p!ss before the game (I've played with plenty of players that don't do that).

Sorry having played cricket in the NT for over 15 years where it is hotter and or as hot but with more humidity than what you get down here - you get short shrift from me when people say its too hot for cricket. It is all about your preparation.

No need to change the games format only a need for players to be more responsible in their preparation no matter what level of cricket you play.

Post of the thread. I agree entirely. A bit of discipline and common sense is all that is required.

[rod_rooster]

what about the introduction of 20-20 for heat affected days?

What about drinking a 1-2 L of water over the morning before you leave for the ground, what about more regular drinks breaks, what about captains bowling players in shorter spells and most importantly what about staying off the p!ss before the game (I've played with plenty of players that don't do that).

Sorry having played cricket in the NT for over 15 years where it is hotter and or as hot but with more humidity than what you get down here - you get short shrift from me when people say its too hot for cricket. It is all about your preparation.

No need to change the games format only a need for players to be more responsible in their preparation no matter what level of cricket you play.

Post of the thread. I agree entirely. A bit of discipline and common sense is all that is required.

Agree entirely but the fact remains that despite proper preparation at an amateur level some players simply are not physically equipped to cope with some conditions. I have played with blokes that i have had serious concerns for in the past. Being a bit older now i look back and think if i was in the same situation now i would actually stop them from playing any further. Proper preparation is essential but if someone doesn't do that does not mean they should die nor if a person is not fit enough to cope that does not mean they should die either. Common sense is the prevailing message of this thread and despite the "tough guy" image Aussie blokes like to portray, sometimes we are not as tough as we think and should just accept it before we expire well before our used by date.

[pipers]

The Hills CA has a 41 degree rule, so 40 we play.....most stupid thing is we take Adelaide's forecast when we are closer to Mt Barker

Mind you its always 4-5 degrees cooler up there, shouldnt get above 34 tomorrow

one Saturday a cool change is going to come through about midday and make the temp in the low 20's with all cricket called off

Not always easy to get the Mt Barker forecast Dutchy - so we opted for a measure that was easily accessible to most players - otherwise the association and/or team captains would have every one ringing them up to find out if they are playing.

Also we use the forecast as at 9am on the day of the game so your scenario is less likely within the HCA. Plus 41 degrees is pretty generous by comparison with other comps (because we acknowledge that it is often cooler in the Hills.

We had to have a heat policy stipulated as part of a "duty of care". To not have one (especially after the fiasco of that kid's sports carnival in Berri a few years ago where kids collapsed etc.) could be deemed as a negligent disregard and HCA exec members could potentially be held accountable for any heat stress cases.

Having said that it is the duty of all players, coaches and officials to ensure they are adequately prepared for hot weather and to protect themselves as well - by removing themselves from the game if need be...

[Lightning McQueen]

The Hills CA has a 41 degree rule, so 40 we play.....most stupid thing is we take Adelaide's forecast when we are closer to Mt Barker

Mind you its always 4-5 degrees cooler up there, shouldnt get above 34 tomorrow

one Saturday a cool change is going to come through about midday and make the temp in the low 20's with all cricket called off

Not always easy to get the Mt Barker forecast Dutchy - so we opted for a measure that was easily accessible to most players - otherwise the association and/or team captains would have every one ringing them up to find out if they are playing.

Also we use the forecast as at 9am on the day of the game so your scenario is less likely within the HCA. Plus 41 degrees is pretty generous by comparison with other comps (because we acknowledge that it is often cooler in the Hills.

We had to have a heat policy stipulated as part of a "duty of care". To not have one (especially after the fiasco of that kid's sports carnival in Berri a few years ago where kids collapsed etc.) could be deemed as a negligent disregard and HCA exec members could potentially be held accountable for any heat stress cases.

Having said that it is the duty of all players, coaches and officials to ensure they are adequately prepared for hot weather and to protect themselves as well - by removing themselves from the game if need be...

38 should be the maximum, no ones playing for sheep stations, it's not fair on players to let their team mates down if they feel crap.

[rainbow warrior]

The Hills CA has a 41 degree rule, so 40 we play.....most stupid thing is we take Adelaide's forecast when we are closer to Mt Barker

Mind you its always 4-5 degrees cooler up there, shouldnt get above 34 tomorrow

one Saturday a cool change is going to come through about midday and make the temp in the low 20's with all cricket called off

Not always easy to get the Mt Barker forecast Dutchy - so we opted for a measure that was easily accessible to most players - otherwise the association and/or team captains would have every one ringing them up to find out if they are playing.

Also we use the forecast as at 9am on the day of the game so your scenario is less likely within the HCA. Plus 41 degrees is pretty generous by comparison with other comps (because we acknowledge that it is often cooler in the Hills.

We had to have a heat policy stipulated as part of a "duty of care". To not have one (especially after the fiasco of that kid's sports carnival in Berri a few years ago where kids collapsed etc.) could be deemed as a negligent disregard and HCA exec members could potentially be held accountable for any heat stress cases.

Having said that it is the duty of all players, coaches and officials to ensure they are adequately prepared for hot weather and to protect themselves as well - by removing themselves from the game if need be...

38 should be the maximum, no ones playing for sheep stations, it's not fair on players to let their team mates down if they feel crap.

Disagree totally. 38 is not that hot really. I had an argument eith a teammate of mine on our end of season trip on the weekend who also posts on this site about this very issue. Basically people should prepare, we are all responsible for our own actions. It is sad the soft world that our world is becoming.

[Shark_Hunter]

The Hills CA has a 41 degree rule, so 40 we play.....most stupid thing is we take Adelaide's forecast when we are closer to Mt Barker

Mind you its always 4-5 degrees cooler up there, shouldnt get above 34 tomorrow

one Saturday a cool change is going to come through about midday and make the temp in the low 20's with all cricket called off

Not always easy to get the Mt Barker forecast Dutchy - so we opted for a measure that was easily accessible to most players - otherwise the association and/or team captains would have every one ringing them up to find out if they are playing.

Also we use the forecast as at 9am on the day of the game so your scenario is less likely within the HCA. Plus 41 degrees is pretty generous by comparison with other comps (because we acknowledge that it is often cooler in the Hills.

We had to have a heat policy stipulated as part of a "duty of care". To not have one (especially after the fiasco of that kid's sports carnival in Berri a few years ago where kids collapsed etc.) could be deemed as a negligent disregard and HCA exec members could potentially be held accountable for any heat stress cases.

Having said that it is the duty of all players, coaches and officials to ensure they are adequately prepared for hot weather and to protect themselves as well - by removing themselves from the game if need be...

38 should be the maximum, no ones playing for sheep stations, it's not fair on players to let their team mates down if they feel crap.

Disagree totally. 38 is not that hot really. I had an argument eith a teammate of mine on our end of season trip on the weekend who also posts on this site about this very issue. Basically people should prepare, we are all responsible for our own actions. It is sad the soft world that our world is becoming.

Ouch - that hurts RW. B4 the trip I thought we were mates - one little discussion about the merits and problems with the heat policy and I'm relegated to a teammate!
As I said before, the ATCA (& SACA) will eventually be forced to introduce a steadfast policy to avoid litigation - right or wrong - as people are not willing to take responsibility for their own actions anymore.....

[am Bays]

38 should be the maximum, no ones playing for sheep stations, it's not fair on players to let their team mates down if they feel crap.

38 deg pfft, you'd never play cricket in Alice Springs if you abandoned play if it was forcast to be over 38 deg....

[rainbow warrior]

Disagree totally. 38 is not that hot really. I had an argument eith a teammate of mine on our end of season trip on the weekend who also posts on this site about this very issue. Basically people should prepare, we are all responsible for our own actions. It is sad the soft world that our world is becoming.[/quote]

Ouch - that hurts RW. B4 the trip I thought we were mates - one little discussion about the merits and problems with the heat policy and I'm relegated to a teammate!
As I said before, the ATCA (& SACA) will eventually be forced to introduce a steadfast policy to avoid litigation - right or wrong - as people are not willing to take responsibility for their own actions anymore.....[/quote]

You crack me up. Of course we are mates. Will see you at preso night tonight.

[Dutchy]

Give this one an appropriate bump....