South Australian Churches and Community Cricket Association

[Goat Herder]

I suggest that you put yourself on the other side of the fence for a moment to see how difficult it is to please everyone!

Especially when Clubs hold the Association to ransom by saying that "if this doesn't happen then we're taking our bats and balls and going elsewhere".. And as for "someone has to held accountable" regarding the unregistered player, yes, Fitzroy were adjudged accountable and responsible, hence the ruling being implemented. Let's move on! There's still snide remarks eminating from Fitzroy representatives about the heat policy rulings in last year's GFs - some 12mths ago! I don't think any other teams or players from the lower Divisions are still struggling to offload their emotional baggage about it. What do we need here to move on?? A team of psychologists or an exorcist..?!?? I almost hope the next 2wks are 'heated out' so we can share the pain and put this demon to rest once and for all! The Association cannot possibly predict the weather and to my knowledge, it's not an issue that's ever arisen in over 100yrs of competition. I don't know what the Fitzroy delegate's pass onto the Club, but the Association Coaching staff were lambasted for not advising of Association training, when in fact ALL Club delegate's were told to take it back to their Clubs, PLUS several key Fitzroy players were contacted about Association representation approximately 5 MONTHS prior to the season commencing!!

As Eck' said, put up or shut up! Either get someone on The Exec or find a reliable delegate to pass on information, and suggest improvements or recommendations, who can also accurately convey messages to ALL players that are raised at delegate's meetings.

Lol, you clowns can't even send an email to advise on such penalties, never lone minutes to a meeting. God help us all.

"You clowns"...?? I'm not on the Exec champ.

[Magpies96]

I suggest that you put yourself on the other side of the fence for a moment to see how difficult it is to please everyone!

Especially when Clubs hold the Association to ransom by saying that "if this doesn't happen then we're taking our bats and balls and going elsewhere".. And as for "someone has to held accountable" regarding the unregistered player, yes, Fitzroy were adjudged accountable and responsible, hence the ruling being implemented. Let's move on! There's still snide remarks eminating from Fitzroy representatives about the heat policy rulings in last year's GFs - some 12mths ago! I don't think any other teams or players from the lower Divisions are still struggling to offload their emotional baggage about it. What do we need here to move on?? A team of psychologists or an exorcist..?!?? I almost hope the next 2wks are 'heated out' so we can share the pain and put this demon to rest once and for all! The Association cannot possibly predict the weather and to my knowledge, it's not an issue that's ever arisen in over 100yrs of competition. I don't know what the Fitzroy delegate's pass onto the Club, but the Association Coaching staff were lambasted for not advising of Association training, when in fact ALL Club delegate's were told to take it back to their Clubs, PLUS several key Fitzroy players were contacted about Association representation approximately 5 MONTHS prior to the season commencing!!

As Eck' said, put up or shut up! Either get someone on The Exec or find a reliable delegate to pass on information, and suggest improvements or recommendations, who can also accurately convey messages to ALL players that are raised at delegate's meetings.

Lol, you clowns can't even send an email to advise on such penalties, never lone minutes to a meeting. God help us all.

"You clowns"...?? I'm not on the Exec champ.

Maybe you should be.

[Pidge]

I stay away for a few hours and this forum explodes. WOOT WOOT!!!

[Magpies96]

I stay away for a few hours and this forum explodes. WOOT WOOT!!!

Lol, what happed to Auto, did you kill him off?

[magpie in the 80's]

continue the healthy debate by all means but keep the personal insults to yourselves.
we're quite happy to lock cricket forums until next season.

cheers
M80's
(moderating team)

[Magpies96]

I suggest that you put yourself on the other side of the fence for a moment to see how difficult it is to please everyone!

Especially when Clubs hold the Association to ransom by saying that "if this doesn't happen then we're taking our bats and balls and going elsewhere".. And as for "someone has to held accountable" regarding the unregistered player, yes, Fitzroy were adjudged accountable and responsible, hence the ruling being implemented. Let's move on! There's still snide remarks eminating from Fitzroy representatives about the heat policy rulings in last year's GFs - some 12mths ago! I don't think any other teams or players from the lower Divisions are still struggling to offload their emotional baggage about it. What do we need here to move on?? A team of psychologists or an exorcist..?!?? I almost hope the next 2wks are 'heated out' so we can share the pain and put this demon to rest once and for all! The Association cannot possibly predict the weather and to my knowledge, it's not an issue that's ever arisen in over 100yrs of competition. I don't know what the Fitzroy delegate's pass onto the Club, but the Association Coaching staff were lambasted for not advising of Association training, when in fact ALL Club delegate's were told to take it back to their Clubs, PLUS several key Fitzroy players were contacted about Association representation approximately 5 MONTHS prior to the season commencing!!

As Eck' said, put up or shut up! Either get someone on The Exec or find a reliable delegate to pass on information, and suggest improvements or recommendations, who can also accurately convey messages to ALL players that are raised at delegate's meetings.

Bag Fitzroy all you like champ, just remember who gave you a ground to play at in your semi final.

[bloodybouncer]

I think what most people are failing to recognise is that the comments considered “snide” or “bat and ball” tactics are comments that have led to improvements to the rulings and the competition. We now have, formally, extra days set aside to play finals if weather affected. Was it not for our jumping and screaming, this would not have happened......you must all realise that. Of course we like to remind our friendly foes of this (hello herder, bored).....but seriously we don’t dwell on it! We are well over it, trust me.

Similarly for this years debacle with the points being deducted “at the discretion” of the exec. If you want to know the full story, you should have been at the “voting” session and heard the argument for yourself (I wish I did). The teams that abstained from voting actually agreed with us but felt they could not vote to eliminate someone from a semi final berth. Fair enough call. For the record, we had the numbers to overthrow the decision and the exec. So who was right? I will let you decide. Again, we are over it. There is nothing we can do now except jump and scream so it doesn’t happen to YOU ALL next year, and cost you a finals birth or possible relegation. Trust me, its not a good feeling to be sitting on the side lines in March....whether it be by bad form or unforeseen circumstances.

We have the right to say what we want, when we want. This is an open forum. The ideas and banter generated on here has generated a renewed interest in the competition. It will make us all more sociable when we play, sledge better, and enjoy a beer afterwards. What this forum has also done is open up the eyes of the exec (hello to you all again!!) and the rest of the players some of the obvious flaws in the systems. It can only improve us all.

There is an obvious “church” and “non-church” mentality still, there is no denying that (FYI the vote for the points saga was a draw of church V non-church clubs). I recognise the efforts of the exec to actively promote non-church members to join the exec and hierarchy. Lets hope this may be the case in the future. In the interim, the ruling body MUST seek to apply better judgement on rulings and key decision that surround member clubs of the community. Its not an easy task, we all know that, but there is still a mentality that they cannot (or should not) overrule decisions, or enforce the rules appropriately. As per previous suggestions, I advise them to firm up on rulings and wording thereof, set out clear consequences of failure to comply, and enforce and act immediately on these decisions. Thats all we ask as players from our rulers.

Anyway thats my spiel for the year!! Im writing up my thesis so I wont be here anymore so feel free to bag me as you see fit. I’ll see some of you at the GF. Good health to you all.

PS: I hope I can still get out on the S.S. Wino

[Magpies96]

I would just like to point out, never trust a Port Magpies supporter that follows the crows.

[Goat Herder]

I think what most people are failing to recognise is that the comments considered “snide” or “bat and ball” tactics are comments that have led to improvements to the rulings and the competition. We now have, formally, extra days set aside to play finals if weather affected.

Just on that subject, yes there are extra days set aside. That's an excellent start. HOWEVER, scheduling the extra days on a Monday is just plain ridiculous! So the GF is decided by a 3 on 3 version of 20/20?? 3 on 3 is a basketball drill, not a cricket match! Pity the poor sod who loses paper/rock/scissors and has to field.. While it's a step in the right direction, it's pointless setting aside weekdays as spare GF days if required. It needs to be a Saturday - at worst a Sunday - otherwise it's a joke.

PS: I hope I can still get out on the S.S. Wino

Nah, it's all good mate. We'll definitely get out and hit some 'ting sometime in the next 4-6wks. Arvo seabreezes starting to abate, so giddyup autumn! Nothing wrong with expressing a few views, the world would be a boring joint if we agreed on everything!

Bag Fitzroy all you like champ, just remember who gave you a ground to play at in your semi final.

Pretty sure my team played their semi at home. Oh, our B's you mean?? I guess you guys weren't in any need of it, but cheers, I owe you a beer! Oh, and you're a Maggies boy, make it 2 beers..

"You clowns"...?? I'm not on the Exec champ.

Maybe you should be.

While you are obviously an astute judge of character and management potential, I don't have the spare time to dedicate to do the role justice, although I have been an Exec Member in the past.. However, I would be prepared to go into bat for whatever improvements Fitzroy, or any Club for that matter, would like to submit. We all want what's best for the majority and for the benefit of the Association as a whole.

[carey18]

Can someone explain to me how a umpire and other clubs captain can overturn a decision made by the exec committee ?. Where were the balls from the exec present?. Tighten up the rules and be a bit more forcefull on some clubs ruling the assoc. Good grand final coming up. Hopefully can get out there for the second week.

[Goat Herder]

Very interesting question Hendo. I caught the tail end of the explanation of the ruling from the Exec Member in question, however I was not aware that a ruling had already been passed down by The Exec to let Dutchy bat and that BOTH teams had erred the week before in not naming the subs. Therein surely lies the crux of the matter. But then for the decision to be fought by an umpire and furthermore, overturned, well I am still gobsmacked. Going by this umpire's track record of possessing questionable honesty and integrity, WHO KNOWS when these so-called 'notes' were made!?!? For all we know, they could've been written up the Friday night before the 2nd week of the match!?!? Nobody knows the truth. This is my big sticking point with this individual. He influences match outcomes with dishonesty (they called it 'cheating' in my day! ) and makes the game of cricket not fun for players. In a way I'm glad that Paralowie feel the same way about this official (for use of a better word) as PV do, as the message coming down from The Exec is that it's only ONE Club who is complaining about him. However, I am NOT glad that it has resulted in Paralowie being shafted and robbed of a GF berth to get to this mutual view.

As for an answer to your question mate, you'll need to ask the Exec Member who let the 'over-ruling' stand. Ecky wasn't involved in the decision in any way, shape or form, so it's unfair to try and pin him down for an answer. (not saying you're doing that, BTW.. lol)

[Phantom Gossiper]

Injuries and work have rocked Central Mission at the wrong time of the year, a reported 5 players unavailable for the grand final!

[auto]

anybody know if there are any corporate boxes left for the div 1 granny?

[spintwin]

anybody know if there are any corporate boxes left for the div 1 granny?

I Here there is still room in the Subway tent.

[bomber1976]

Very interesting question Hendo. I caught the tail end of the explanation of the ruling from the Exec Member in question, however I was not aware that a ruling had already been passed down by The Exec to let Dutchy bat and that BOTH teams had erred the week before in not naming the subs. Therein surely lies the crux of the matter. But then for the decision to be fought by an umpire and furthermore, overturned, well I am still gobsmacked. Going by this umpire's track record of a possessing questionable honesty and integrity, WHO KNOWS when these so-called 'notes' were made!?!? For all we know, they could've been written up the Friday night before the 2nd week of the match!?!? Nobody knows the truth. This is my big sticking point with this individual. He influences match outcomes with dishonesty (they called it 'cheating' in my day! ) and makes the game of cricket not fun for players. In a way I'm glad that Paralowie feel the same way about this official (for use of a better word) as PV do, as the message coming down from The Exec is that it's only ONE Club who is complaining about him. However, I am NOT glad that it has resulted in Paralowie being shafted and robbed of a GF berth to get to this mutual view.

As for an answer to your question mate, you'll need to ask the Exec Member who let the 'over-ruling' stand. Ecky wasn't involved in the decision in any way, shape or form, so it's unfair to try and pin him down for an answer. (not saying you're doing that, BTW.. lol)

I dont understand why we are still talking about the PV v Paralowrie cockup! read the rules, the team lists must state who will be replacing as each player on the 2nd week, Paralowie f*cked up! they didnt state that on the team list, so move on! to make this into a big crying game and blame the umpire, well what is he to think when he gets the team lists on the 1st week, sees that Paralowie have 12th player named, you put the player that is not playing the 2nd week 11th on the team list.

Now, whats not to say that depending on the outcome of Day 1, that Paralowie could of decided which player they were going to sub out for the 2nd week... i know if i was NEK, i would be kicking up a stink about this and backing the umpire, i have no reason why the exec committee got involved in this, when it is in the Rule book!!??? (unless im totally wrong and missing something here about the incident)

[Pidge]

Good to see Auto is back from his brief Hiatus.

[carey18]

Bomber trust me we have moved on mate what i am saying is that the exec committee said that BOTH teams stuffed up first week with the team lists and it was up to Paralowie to decide who was batting the second week( Dutchy ). Not up to the umpire to decide as he stuffed up as well. Mate we should of still got the runs. Sorry for asking the question. Oh it was NEK mate not PV. Still think u have anger issues from our last game

[Pidge]

Hindsight is great isnt it!

[carey18]

Looks like some blokes are not allowed to have a opinion on here unless it is what others think.

[Pidge]

Looks like some blokes are not allowed to have a opinion on here unless it is what others think.

Yeah. Have noticed that. Its a pretty heated topic. One in which i dont really have much to say at the moment. Not everyone agrees with PV