Changes to Grade Cricket and Cricket in SA

[Lightning McQueen]

Hey Footy Smart, where have you gone? You obviously have some opinions on the matter to open up the discussion, let's hear some.

[norm11]

I think ur prob right lm same with footy

[heater31]

A very political statement there James, what is the monetary value of a A grade district player.

not sure what you mean

I was commenting on your intellectual statement in regards to sponsorship etc. My second comment was asking if you knew what sort of coin A Grade district players would get, my guess is bugger all.

yeah i would think you are right not much at all i think that the coaches get paid very well head coach around 10K and fitness around 5K not bad. cricket needs some work at that level i know that the jets approached several of our players over the years asking them to come and capt the lower grades and these guys whilst valuable to our club were on the wrong side of their best form and it was dissappointing for us as we need these types of players to keep clubs like ours strong not to prop up the lower district grades.

At my Grade club I would think the Coach would get nowhere near 10K and we don't even have a fitness coach. No players get paid either

[norm11]

Come on heater31 . Does your coach get paid at all

[Footy Smart]

Hey Footy Smart, where have you gone? You obviously have some opinions on the matter to open up the discussion, let's hear some.

Im here just thought i would see some other opinions.

Having played all Grades at District level i personally think that the C and D grade comps do offer something. I played junior cricket with a current state rookie and then D&C grade for a whole year when we first moved into senior cricket. He devloped from an erratic fast bowler to a young controlled paceman in that time and played against other state members senior and junior such as Delmont, the pascoes, Sayers, Brown etc in the lower grades. If you look at 90% of state squad members they atleast play some D&C grade cricket between juniors and being capable or getting a crack of higher grades. Young cricketers can find it hard at senior level in the first few years and without developing there skills in those grades would be lost to senior district cricket which flows to the state squad and Australia.

I originally suggested a 2 div comp and involve some other high level/standard teams from other associations. But how do measure the perfomance of someone in div 2 to that of div 1. I cant see any other oprion than merger or folding of clubs. Still having ABCD grades as well as possible country scholarships for kids that are disadvantaged by distance to the supposed best clubs and pathway to state cricket. Good luck getting support from clubs on mergers/folding of clubs though so i dont really see any solution being made any time soon.

[Lightning McQueen]

Hey Footy Smart, where have you gone? You obviously have some opinions on the matter to open up the discussion, let's hear some.

Im here just thought i would see some other opinions.

Having played all Grades at District level i personally think that the C and D grade comps do offer something. I played junior cricket with a current state rookie and then D&C grade for a whole year when we first moved into senior cricket. He devloped from an erratic fast bowler to a young controlled paceman in that time and played against other state members senior and junior such as Delmont, the pascoes, Sayers, Brown etc in the lower grades. If you look at 90% of state squad members they atleast play some D&C grade cricket between juniors and being capable or getting a crack of higher grades. Young cricketers can find it hard at senior level in the first few years and without developing there skills in those grades would be lost to senior district cricket which flows to the state squad and Australia.

I originally suggested a 2 div comp and involve some other high level/standard teams from other associations. But how do measure the perfomance of someone in div 2 to that of div 1. I cant see any other oprion than merger or folding of clubs. Still having ABCD grades as well as possible country scholarships for kids that are disadvantaged by distance to the supposed best clubs and pathway to state cricket. Good luck getting support from clubs on mergers/folding of clubs though so i dont really see any solution being made any time soon.

I'd do away with the C's & D's, they could still have them, just have them compete in other comps. Perhaps have an Under 18 comp as suggested before, if the players can't crack the A's or B's after that, go back to their original club but keep trying at the district club. A bit like rookie listed AFL players.

[norm11]

Hey Footy Smart, where have you gone? You obviously have some opinions on the matter to open up the discussion, let's hear some.

Im here just thought i would see some other opinions.

Having played all Grades at District level i personally think that the C and D grade comps do offer something. I played junior cricket with a current state rookie and then D&C grade for a whole year when we first moved into senior cricket. He devloped from an erratic fast bowler to a young controlled paceman in that time and played against other state members senior and junior such as Delmont, the pascoes, Sayers, Brown etc in the lower grades. If you look at 90% of state squad members they atleast play some D&C grade cricket between juniors and being capable or getting a crack of higher grades. Young cricketers can find it hard at senior level in the first few years and without developing there skills in those grades would be lost to senior district cricket which flows to the state squad and Australia.

I originally suggested a 2 div comp and involve some other high level/standard teams from other associations. But how do measure the perfomance of someone in div 2 to that of div 1. I cant see any other oprion than merger or folding of clubs. Still having ABCD grades as well as possible country scholarships for kids that are disadvantaged by distance to the supposed best clubs and pathway to state cricket. Good luck getting support from clubs on mergers/folding of clubs though so i dont really see any solution being made any time soon.

I'd do away with the C's & D's, they could still have them, just have them compete in other comps. Perhaps have an Under 18 comp as suggested before, if the players can't crack the A's or B's after that, go back to their original club but keep trying at the district club. A bit like rookie listed AFL players.

good ideas but that would mean we would need more turf pitches . Even better

[heater31]

Come on heater31 . Does your coach get paid at all

I would think yes. just had a look at our last annual report's financials we just spent over 15K for all coaching expenses. That includes 2 senior coaches and several junior coaches plus casuals for our school coaching clinics. As for the break up I don't have a clue. Maybe the senior coach grabs 10 and the rest get peanuts

[MAY-Z]

I think teams are one issue but i also believe that grade clubs have too many grades ie A B C D. playing D grade or even C grade district cricket is no great task and very average players are playing this grade of cricket. Definately a under 18 or 21 comp should be formed to allow kids the time to develop and mature into the game and not be lost to other sports or to sport all together.

Sounds like a great idea maybe u should get involved there james ?

nah not a good idea at all- if you add an under 18/under 21 grade all you are going to do it get kids continually playing against the same opposition each year. for them to develop more parts of their game they need to be playing against different people and older more experienced players.

[Lightning McQueen]

I think teams are one issue but i also believe that grade clubs have too many grades ie A B C D. playing D grade or even C grade district cricket is no great task and very average players are playing this grade of cricket. Definately a under 18 or 21 comp should be formed to allow kids the time to develop and mature into the game and not be lost to other sports or to sport all together.

Sounds like a great idea maybe u should get involved there james ?

nah not a good idea at all- if you add an under 18/under 21 grade all you are going to do it get kids continually playing against the same opposition each year. for them to develop more parts of their game they need to be playing against different people and older more experienced players.

Under 18's would see a decent turnover, players should either have it or not by then.

[Lightning McQueen]

I think teams are one issue but i also believe that grade clubs have too many grades ie A B C D. playing D grade or even C grade district cricket is no great task and very average players are playing this grade of cricket. Definately a under 18 or 21 comp should be formed to allow kids the time to develop and mature into the game and not be lost to other sports or to sport all together.

Sounds like a great idea maybe u should get involved there james ?

nah not a good idea at all- if you add an under 18/under 21 grade all you are going to do it get kids continually playing against the same opposition each year. for them to develop more parts of their game they need to be playing against different people and older more experienced players.

Under 18's would see a decent turnover, players should either have it or not by under 21's.

I made an error on my first post

[the star]

its not just sacas fault, some clubs administrations are not great either, i know of at least two clubs that have voted against what there players and coach have reccomended and taken only there committees view to saca not that of the players and coaches the people actually playing the games, they then the same committees wonder why 29-30 year olds retire have a year out then play turf cricket for the next 2 seasons.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO START LISTENING TO PLAYERS AND COACHES

[Footy Smart]

Agreed with the clubs administrators being at fault in some occasion. The club i play for had a fairly strong junior program when i was coming through. 5-7 players who i played juniors with ended up or still play A grade cricket 1 rookie listed and 2 around the mark. Then a new junior coordinator came in and the board let him do what he wanted. He had no cricket background and gave parents with even less cricket knowledge manger roles of teams. He told players if they wanted coaching to get lessons at SACA. This turned alot of good young cricketers away to other clubs and other sports as the managers played favourites with selections and used a terrible rotation policy with a massive squad.

Luckily he is gone now and hopefully they can turn it around as we are a very young club and the future looks bright if we can get some more young cricketers coming through.

I think that SACA should do more with junior cricket to make sure this doesnt happen again even getting observers out to training etc because they would have seen the lack of coaching and abnormal/terrible techneques used by the so called coaches.

[Iron Fist]

Hey Footy Smart, where have you gone? You obviously have some opinions on the matter to open up the discussion, let's hear some.

Im here just thought i would see some other opinions.

Having played all Grades at District level i personally think that the C and D grade comps do offer something. I played junior cricket with a current state rookie and then D&C grade for a whole year when we first moved into senior cricket. He devloped from an erratic fast bowler to a young controlled paceman in that time and played against other state members senior and junior such as Delmont, the pascoes, Sayers, Brown etc in the lower grades. If you look at 90% of state squad members they atleast play some D&C grade cricket between juniors and being capable or getting a crack of higher grades. Young cricketers can find it hard at senior level in the first few years and without developing there skills in those grades would be lost to senior district cricket which flows to the state squad and Australia.

I originally suggested a 2 div comp and involve some other high level/standard teams from other associations. But how do measure the perfomance of someone in div 2 to that of div 1. I cant see any other oprion than merger or folding of clubs. Still having ABCD grades as well as possible country scholarships for kids that are disadvantaged by distance to the supposed best clubs and pathway to state cricket. Good luck getting support from clubs on mergers/folding of clubs though so i dont really see any solution being made any time soon.

I'd do away with the C's & D's, they could still have them, just have them compete in other comps. Perhaps have an Under 18 comp as suggested before, if the players can't crack the A's or B's after that, go back to their original club but keep trying at the district club. A bit like rookie listed AFL players.

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why not do away with the C's and D grade sides
and have an under 19's and under 23's side like the soccer clubs do.
In these sides they are still allowed to have 2 or 3 older players that would be mentors but also help the players develop their skills or could be a captain teaching the younger players the finer points of the game such as field placements and getting there bolwers to bowl areas???
the step from C grade to B grade is a decent step and i believe the step from B's to A's would be even bigger!!
but having these junior sides with a few older lads would definately help the club and also the competition.

[Deep Heat]

my opinion is that the decent juniours that do play senior cricket are made to feel un welcome by jealous hazbeens or never hasbeens that want there spots eg late 20s early 30s B grade cricketers and who wants to stand in the field all day in 40 degree heat with people you dont like a good club culture is whats needed to make young players want to stay .

[Iron Fist]

my opinion is that the decent juniours that do play senior cricket are made to feel un welcome by jealous hazbeens or never hasbeens that want there spots eg late 20s early 30s B grade cricketers and who wants to stand in the field all day in 40 degree heat with people you dont like a good club culture is whats needed to make young players want to stay .

that is a good point
you dont mind standing in the heat for a whole day as much when the blokes that you are playing with are good blokes!!!!

[Benchwarmer]

A, B, C and Under 19?

[heater31]

A, B, C and Under 19?

well all they are doing this year is changing the Start time of the B grade to a 1pm start and 80 overs. Which is the same conditions as the C/D grade. A grade are only playing 90 overs a day and maybe start half an hour later???