Adelaide Suburban Cricket Association 2009-10

[CoverKing]

ASCA made 258 yesterday.
PDCA chased it with an over and a bit to go with 2 wickets in hand.

Rusty 72 off 65
Sambo 60 or so
Rowey quick fire 32
McKay 20 off 15

Rowey 3 fa not a great deal. 2 wickets in the first over aswell.
Sambo bowled extremely well without luck. 0/44 off his 8 but bowled damn well and way to quick for fielding in the slips
Hoppy 0/40 off his 4 overs bowling into that massive win. JC 0/30 or so off 4 overs.
Stef Basso and Robbie both copped stinker LBW decisions aswell by their umpire!
Overall a good effort by our boys that we let slip. Bowled reasonable well, too many extras IMO. They had some luck and hacked reasonably well!

Feb 14th is seniors v churches at their ground.
Feb 28th is seniors and juniors v ATCA at one of our grounds.

[wycbloods]

Then why didnt WOS have to forfeit when they played a District player a few games ago? This is the whole argument. The boys have no issue if the rules are set one way or the other. However, if one player has been allowed to play without forfeit or punishment, then surely it is open slather for any other club in the same situation. Unfortunately where a precedent has been set, any organisation cannot be seen to have 2 sets of rules. Additionally, rules cannot be changed mid-season as it gives an unfair advantage to those who have benefited from this.

Sheidow Park has yet to make a decision on this situation as a club, and will be discussed this week. The issue here though is not whether the Sheidow Park CC should allow it to occur. It is more a matter of the association having double standards if any punishment is imposed if we do play them (considering no punishment was met earlier this season).

As i understand the WOS "precedent" you are using is different. It was in the case where we were heated out first week and district was rained out the next so they rung and asked if a dual registered player could play and Craig Lawn said yes. The difference in that case was that Sheidow assumed that couldn't be done so they didn't ask for the likes of Jb and sarge to play.

What JB has asked this time around is to play during his clubs bye round which is different. It will be interesting to see exactly what the ruling is.

The Game in question was not rained out, it was the test weekend when district didnt play.

I am not bothered whether I play or not as I have played alot more cricket than JB this year. I would love to be able to play with my mates and at the club where I have played all of my cricket. But we will see what happens.

Yeah fair enough Sarge but if you decide to leave then you leave. Fair point about the test match weekend as you are right. Same point applies though.

[wycbloods]

Question for RB, AF or Caleb...........................why does big Allen bat so low? I would have thought they way he has performed the last year or two you guys would want him out there as long as possible.

[Amateur Footy]

Question for RB, AF or Caleb...........................why does big Allen bat so low? I would have thought they way he has performed the last year or two you guys would want him out there as long as possible.

The plan is that he doesn't have to face the new ball, unfortunately he still does at times when the top order crumbles...

[wycbloods]

Question for RB, AF or Caleb...........................why does big Allen bat so low? I would have thought they way he has performed the last year or two you guys would want him out there as long as possible.

The plan is that he doesn't have to face the new ball, unfortunately he still does at times when the top order crumbles...

Fair enough. I thought the reason may be something similar but i have seen on a few occasions him do well when coming in against the new ball.

[Tight_Lines]

Working with the President of Stirling we've talked about their one day comp and he says it has ruined his club as better players refuse to play A or B grade and that there are C grade sides that are better then a majourity of A grade sides as people are to lazy for 2 day stuff and the same would happen in our comp I think.

[CoverKing]

Working with the President of Stirling we've talked about their one day comp and he says it has ruined his club as better players refuse to play A or B grade and that there are C grade sides that are better then a majourity of A grade sides as people are to lazy for 2 day stuff and the same would happen in our comp I think.

Yep i agree!

The association have always said that they feel when they move the comp to a one day format then it is the start of the demise of the game!!

[jb]

my view is that i have played 80 odd games in the asca and also given up about 10 sundays to represent them i believe i am entitled to a permit as i have served the competition very well over the years and now that i need something in return i cant see it being any issue

[Madrooster]

Working with the President of Stirling we've talked about their one day comp and he says it has ruined his club as better players refuse to play A or B grade and that there are C grade sides that are better then a majourity of A grade sides as people are to lazy for 2 day stuff and the same would happen in our comp I think.

Yep i agree!

The association have always said that they feel when they move the comp to a one day format then it is the start of the demise of the game!!

Theres arguements on both sides coverking. I have friends still playing in the Adelaide turf one day comps who openly tell me that they would have retired if the one day format wasnt available. Their experience and knowledge gets lost when that happens, so I can see significant benefit in it, but as you point out, there are potential downsides as well. It may end up being the demographics of each club that determine what is best for them individually. I would hate to see ASCA players leave and play one day cricket elsewhere, and that is a real possibility.

[Roseboy]

I agree with you to a point Bazza, but up until this year i have never worried about what the Assoc. heirachy has done. Rather i have put all efforts into my own club and getting that structure right. Now that MPCC is running well i feel it is time for our club, which has been a minnow & underestimated in the ASCA for a long time, to stand up for what i/we believe is right. A few suggestions i will bring up now because i have the time & am sober
1. We need a 1 day comp badly for lower grades. Especially Divs 5-7.
2. We need our "Code of conduct" adhered to more stringedly, with players fined/suspended for bad behaviour & umpires not afraid to step in when needed more often. Our league is slowly denegrating in my opinion.
3. A medal for players who win a premiership. (Only a small thing, but bugger me, they cost $5 each)
4. A better selection criteria for Assoc. matches.
5. An effing better ron T20 comp.
6. Meeting once before & once after between every A grade captain & umpires to discuss problems. This means every club is represented.
7. Every club MUST have an A grade scorer. They are more important than umpires most times.
8. Some kind of prize money for winning a Premiership?

Only my thoughts.......

1. yep - every 2nd Saturday they play so same number of games per season
2. agreed - standards are waning quickly
3. yep, nice touch
4. it'll always be super subjective. Lots of people like to complain, very few put their hands up to do something about it.
5. disagree - I reckon it's pretty reasonable. It's not the association's fault clubs can't get their act together. We (Ramblers) have had zero issues in the 2 years
6. yep, don't mind that
7. nice in theory, no chance in practice. Financial penalties for poor scoring might be more achievable
8. no chance - absolutely nothing to gain from it

[dundee12]

Working with the President of Stirling we've talked about their one day comp and he says it has ruined his club as better players refuse to play A or B grade and that there are C grade sides that are better then a majourity of A grade sides as people are to lazy for 2 day stuff and the same would happen in our comp I think.

Have to agree. Its nice in theroy so guys dont miss 2 weeks of cricket, but be to big a range of players playing IMO. The poor blokes who play sect 7 would end up facing A grade guys who can only play the 1 week. The same reason im not a fan of the 13th man rule either in the lower grades. 12 ok but 13 is ridiculos. Again only my opinion.
And well done J Bennett for shiedow on his 4th ton in a row i belive, against a fairly handy sec.4 bowling line up too. Club must be wishing he will play A grade next year?

[CoverKing]

my view is that i have played 80 odd games in the asca and also given up about 10 sundays to represent them i believe i am entitled to a permit as i have served the competition very well over the years and now that i need something in return i cant see it being any issue

Different rules for different players then JB?

[jb]

my view is that i have played 80 odd games in the asca and also given up about 10 sundays to represent them i believe i am entitled to a permit as i have served the competition very well over the years and now that i need something in return i cant see it being any issue

Different rules for different players then JB?

isnt that why the competition does permits??? so they can handle its situation on its merits?

[The sarge]

the association does seem to have different rules for different players. Certainately did last year anyway

[Booney]

CK, do you think my proposed One-day comp ( played every second week ) would appeal to the A and B graders who wish to drop down a little? I dont think so. Only playing every other week would not be enough for some.

[woodublieve12]

my view is that i have played 80 odd games in the asca and also given up about 10 sundays to represent them i believe i am entitled to a permit as i have served the competition very well over the years and now that i need something in return i cant see it being any issue

Different rules for different players then JB?

isnt that why the competition does permits??? so they can handle its situation on its merits?

i cant see how they can give you a permit, you've been cleared to another club there fore you are unable to do so... Not many other sporting codes would let you play....

[The sarge]

In the Southern Footy league Reserves SANFL players go back and play when their SANFL club has the bye. This is no different. We are dual registered to both Southern and Sheidow.

[wycbloods]

my view is that i have played 80 odd games in the asca and also given up about 10 sundays to represent them i believe i am entitled to a permit as i have served the competition very well over the years and now that i need something in return i cant see it being any issue

Different rules for different players then JB?

isnt that why the competition does permits??? so they can handle its situation on its merits?

i cant see how they can give you a permit, you've been cleared to another club there fore you are unable to do so... Not many other sporting codes would let you play....

very different WUB. Dual registrations do allow for those playing in another association to play in 2 associations. However, they are usually to go back to an association to play not to go back and forth when it suits.

I am pretty sure that the answer for the Sheidow boys will be NO. As AF has mentioned previously it was spoken about last meeting and my understanding of that, now, is no dual registered players will be allowed to return to an ASCA club during a bye round in the district comp.

[The sarge]

Oh well I guess if we cant play, our club is no stranger to receiving double standards from the association.

[JohnnyG]

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1. We need a 1 day comp badly for lower grades. Especially Divs 5-7.
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Just my own personal opinion - i agree that there should be perhaps one Division set aside for 1 day games, however, i would vehemently disagree with your proposal for 1 day comp for Divs 5-7 (even more so if only playing 1 saturday in 2).

I think that the proposed 1 day comp being a solution to the problem of players being unavailable has been way overstated, as the real problem is actually a lack of committment by players. Why cater to the lowest common factor?

There are heaps of players in Divs 5-7 who want and will play both Saturdays and not 1 in every 2.
Furthermore, as many players discover that in the 1 day format, many of them will not get much opportunity to participate other than to field & perhaps bat with only a few overs left, then they too will be disenchanted and lost to the game.
I for one would look to play in a different association/club if your proposal ever came about in the ASCA.