SA Churches and Community Cricket Association 2010/11

[Phantom Gossiper]

I dont think one day cricket or T20 is the way to go, but im sure you could incorporate them into your season.

I think churches setup in terms of teams/divs is ordinary, you have 6 team divs with the top 4 playing finals.

Perhaps C&CCA could poach clubs/teams from other assoc? Obviously carnivals are a big draw card and the fact clubs are in close proximity to each other is a bonus.

Of the top of my heaed you have Adel Bangladesh Tigers who play grade 8 PDCA, they play out of Northgate, then there is TTG as well in the same boat.

Brahma Lodge are moving to ATCA and will no doubt have a few sides left over playing hard wicket.

Also how hard or what would be the chances of having a junior comp like a collegiate comp with schools like say St Pius, St Pauls, Good Shepard etc.

Perhaps you could align a club to a school to help and assist them.

93 catholic primary schools in SA, surely this could be an untapped resource?

[Phantom Gossiper]

I think also the onus must lie with clubs to actively seek and retain players particularly juniors. In a senior based comp though like churches obviously its easy for it to slip peoples minds, and of course you have plenty who don't care, who are just there for themselves.

[auto]

Hey Spinny, will send you my proposal when i get a minute, though Phantom stole most of my thunder.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Also didn't churches used to have a development officer? Peter Sifkus i think it was? What ever happened with that?

[Phantom Gossiper]

Hey Spinny, will send you my proposal when i get a minute, though Phantom stole most of my thunder.

Sorry cuz, guess greats minds think alike

[rockstar]

Only one thing can save your comp...

... M. Bedgegood

[Phantom Gossiper]

Only one thing can save your comp...

... M. Bedgegood

[Cougar]

Questions to all forum users.

How do we revive our comp.

I believe if we stay with the current format the association will
disappear within 5 years. There are only limited Clubs bringing juniors
through the ranks. I believe we need to make a change to One-day Cricket
and T20 cricket before it is to late.I think we need to have a proposal
to the Association before we finish playing cricket this year. We need
all Club delegates to go to all players and see what we can do to keep
these players and to Entice more players to out great Association.

More and more clubs are playing with older list now we need to turn this
around.I believe If we can do a mix of One-day and T20 games you will
keep more players and i think we can market it to players outside our
Association.

The one off division of one day cricket did not work. Several Div1 clubs were of the view although there is strong interest in a one day ( or even 20/20 comp) if they were to nominate a team they would lose the core of their Div1 team- it would just dilute the completion to have separate competitions.
So any move made needs to be a move as a competition across all.

Please post some feedback positive or negative(Rock-star/George)

Regards
Spin Twin(These are my personal views only)

Tricky question I'll give you a perspective of someone who played in a different Hard Wicket Comp (TVCA) who's club folded (Kersbrook), and has just joined the SACCCA Association this year through Rose Park.

The TVCA also is an association on the ropes, with clubs folding annually and juniors not coming through the ranks like they use to. It has a similar set up with 6 one day matches and 6 two day games with the finals competing in 2 day format on a weekend. Like your suggestion it trialed a round of 20-20 matches a couple of years ago without success. The feedback from that round wasn't positive and the idea was scrapped. I think playing too much one day and 20-20 cricket won't help the cause of bringing more juniors into the game. Unfortunately it's a big headache for the ACB with a dwindling National side and today's youth failing to see the game of cricket as great. While the ACB deals with that problem and the SACCCA needs to survive, I would perhaps heed some of PG's advice and maybe try and poach sides from rival comps (The TVCA has/will lose a few recently). From my short experience the SACCCA has a couple of driving factors with a competitve standard for nearly everyone's different skill level, close proximity between most clubs and of course my wife's favourite NO Sunday Cricket. I know these factors, Brenton Reidy and St.Pauls College being my backyard enticed me to the SACCCA.

Sorry Sprintwin for not giving a clear answer, but I for one hope this comp continues in it's current format and I'll keep playing in it until Rose Park kicks me out.

[Pidge]

I think that the split of games is good, with equal amounts of One-Dayers and Two-Dayers. Although i do believe that the One-Dayers should be both before and after Christmas / New Year and maybe one or two at the start of the season.
Personally, i like Two-Day matches more.
The T20 Cup that they have on seems like it could work. Definitely a great incentive to do well there. Maybe next season we could have both first round games at one ground so that all teams are at the one place and the club that hosts it has the opportunity to make some money from it.
Attracting other teams to the competition is a tough one. Maybe as Cougar said, we could look at recruiting some teams from other competitions.. but is this a long term answer?
Maybe teams need to look at linking up with Schools or Junior / Senior Football Clubs to look at bringing in some younger faces.
This is an interesting topic. It'd be good to see what everyone else thinks.. BB, Auto, Typewriter, Smasha etc..

[dark & stormy]

well gents where to start,
I think the only way to keep our comp going in the right direction is,
1, get the bloody committee to start listening to all the teams
2 , and by listening dont just agree , then do whatever they want.....
3, lock out the comittee and get all teams together to discuss what we all think we can do to improve the assoc.
4, listen to smasha
5, move phantom to churches , then we shall see what he writes

[reggie]

Only one thing can save your comp...

... M. Bedgegood

What in some sort of marketing capacity – maybe as our association’s mascot?

[spintwin]

well gents where to start,
I think the only way to keep our comp going in the right direction is,
1, get the bloody committee to start listening to all the teams2 , and by listening dont just agree , then do whatever they want.....
3, lock out the comittee and get all teams together to discuss what we all think we can do to improve the assoc.
4, listen to smasha
5, move phantom to churches , then we shall see what he writes

Smasha, you're onto something here.

I've played cricket at Para Vista for five years, and I've never seen a member of the executive attend a game, except for maybe once in a final. Surely they'd have a better idea of the health of our league if they showed their face every now and again... Get around to every team in every division at least once in the year and simply spend some time chatting to the players and observing the game.

The executive to this point has only been reactive to the base level of our league - "Oh, they're playing someone under a different name, we better get down there!" or "I better head out and give Rooster his new umpiring shirt!". Why not just come out and see what's happening every now and again? Come and see the slow over rates in one dayers for yourself. Come and feel what it's like to stand in 40 degree heat for 65 overs. Come and see the behaviour of some clubs. Come and commend the young players on their endeavour.

The league they are running is shrivelling up, and they're seemingly not around.

(Please note: I speak not about Jan or Glenys - their work for our association is tireless).

Hi Typewriter good to hear you views

As an Exec Member i am at every game and so is PT From Adel Lutheran and Stroker from Morialta. This is why i raise this Question. I joined the Exec because i was sick of people bagging them and not doing anything about it.. Put your hand up or shut up. We all want the Association to live a long life. I will speak to the Exec about sending out a form for you guys to fill in and give feed back on the Comp as it stands today. I don't want to hear people just piss and moan about it. I want people to put up ideas that can help. I will take this to the next meeting and get it discussed. I am really after ideas that will get new team/clubs involved and will also keep the current Clubs.

Spin Twin

[Cougar]

Agree with Typewriter's theory on the time issue.

At the TVCA we had to bowl 70 overs in our 2 day games which started at 1:15. But once you'd finished those overs regardless of time, that would be it. If you get through your overs quickly you should be rewarded, not punished and have to bowl more. I know at Kersbrook with a lot of medium pacers and a good spinner we would get through our 70 sometimes before 5pm! That would give the player the option of taking off early or start drinking earlier. We would often get through our overs quicker too by not having a drinks break on the cooler days.

[carey]

anyone going the cricket today???

shouldnt you be at work Carey?

oh how i wish i went to work my head wouldnt feel like its been run over, my misses would still be talking to me and i'd have a lot more money in my account. was another great day tho.

[dark & stormy]

well spin twin, take this to the committee , there are other teams involved in this comp besides adel luth, and para vista.
if you dont want us to moan and groan then stop letting two teams run the league . .
I mean since all my years of playing this game I have never heard of a team or teams dictating to the assoc who can and can not umpire the games???????? wtf. whatever the reasons who are we to dictate what umpires do what game.
also you say put up or shut up ? well mate I am letting you know now that if things dont change to include ALL TEAMS then you might only have a two team comp left for the future.
this is my opinion and mine only like you said have a say. so your on the exec and pt aswell (whoopee) as I said thats two where are the rest of the execs? I dont see any at the other games , so now maybe just maybe they should put up or shut up
this should be interesting feedback now...............

[carey]

Questions to all forum users.

How do we revive our comp.

I believe if we stay with the current format the association will
disappear within 5 years. There are only limited Clubs bringing juniors
through the ranks. I believe we need to make a change to One-day Cricket
and T20 cricket before it is to late.I think we need to have a proposal
to the Association before we finish playing cricket this year. We need
all Club delegates to go to all players and see what we can do to keep
these players and to Entice more players to out great Association.

More and more clubs are playing with older list now we need to turn this
around.I believe If we can do a mix of One-day and T20 games you will
keep more players and i think we can market it to players outside our
Association.

The one off division of one day cricket did not work. Several Div1 clubs were of the view although there is strong interest in a one day ( or even 20/20 comp) if they were to nominate a team they would lose the core of their Div1 team- it would just dilute the completion to have separate competitions.
So any move made needs to be a move as a competition across all.

Please post some feedback positive or negative(Rock-star/George)

Regards
Spin Twin(These are my personal views only)

spin,

i dont think there is a hell of a lot wrong with the comp itself although i'm not sure we should reward 4 sides out 6 with finals but hey the flip slide of that is if we have 8 team comps we'll have the same sides winning outright every week for example say there was 2 8 or 10 side comps what would a NEK or a PARA VISTA do to sides like ENFIELD and C/M??? it would get ugly so the answer to that i am unsure.

i also believe there should be an even mix of 1 day cricket and 2 day maybe play everyone in a one dayer then a two dayer but the you dont have enough games for the year again i dont have a clear answer there.

but for mine its the youth of today insted of going down the oval kicking a footy of swinging a bit of willow around they'd rather play wii, xbox or playstation what every the hell they do these days and although i aint that old it is a sad thing! take the ass. side stuff for example in years gone by blokes would be jumping out of there skin to play in the things like that these days ohh i could'nt be f__ked is the common reply

[carey]

but i must add to that i aint having a go at the older blokes who cant make themselfs available as im fully aware that the older blokes have family,work commitments and health issues to put in front of cricket IE richie,giggs,reidy,baldo and the like........

[spintwin]

well spin twin, take this to the committee , there are other teams involved in this comp besides adel luth, and para vista.
if you dont want us to moan and groan then stop letting two teams run the league . .
I mean since all my years of playing this game I have never heard of a team or teams dictating to the assoc who can and can not umpire the games???????? wtf. whatever the reasons who are we to dictate what umpires do what game.
also you say put up or shut up ? well mate I am letting you know now that if things dont change to include ALL TEAMS then you might only have a two team comp left for the future.
this is my opinion and mine only like you said have a say. so your on the exec and pt aswell (whoopee) as I said thats two where are the rest of the execs? I dont see any at the other games , so now maybe just maybe they should put up or shut up
this should be interesting feedback now...............

Smasha Thanks for the feedback.

I agree with a lot of what you have said. I have joined the exec to try and change this i want this Association to keep growing. I think if we could get more clubs involved on the Exec we could make changes that will benefit all of us. With regards to the Umpiring matter i think you might find this has been sorted out by both parties this year. I do hope all teams fill in the form i send out and i will take this to the Exec.

I am not having a personal go at anyone or any club i believe we all want what is best.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I think that the split of games is good, with equal amounts of One-Dayers and Two-Dayers. Although i do believe that the One-Dayers should be both before and after Christmas / New Year and maybe one or two at the start of the season.
Personally, i like Two-Day matches more.
The T20 Cup that they have on seems like it could work. Definitely a great incentive to do well there. Maybe next season we could have both first round games at one ground so that all teams are at the one place and the club that hosts it has the opportunity to make some money from it.
Attracting other teams to the competition is a tough one. Maybe as Cougar said, we could look at recruiting some teams from other competitions.. but is this a long term answer?
Maybe teams need to look at linking up with Schools or Junior / Senior Football Clubs to look at bringing in some younger faces. This is an interesting topic. It'd be good to see what everyone else thinks.. BB, Auto, Typewriter, Smasha etc..

Jesus mate you just trying to copy what i wrote on the previous page

[carey]

I think that the split of games is good, with equal amounts of One-Dayers and Two-Dayers. Although i do believe that the One-Dayers should be both before and after Christmas / New Year and maybe one or two at the start of the season.
Personally, i like Two-Day matches more.
The T20 Cup that they have on seems like it could work. Definitely a great incentive to do well there. Maybe next season we could have both first round games at one ground so that all teams are at the one place and the club that hosts it has the opportunity to make some money from it.
Attracting other teams to the competition is a tough one. Maybe as Cougar said, we could look at recruiting some teams from other competitions.. but is this a long term answer?
Maybe teams need to look at linking up with Schools or Junior / Senior Football Clubs to look at bringing in some younger faces. This is an interesting topic. It'd be good to see what everyone else thinks.. BB, Auto, Typewriter, Smasha etc..

Jesus mate you just trying to copy what i wrote on the previous page

no he just likes school kids