Adelaide Hills Cricket (HCA, TVCA & A&EH)

[saintal]

Some AEHCA tips..

A's - LC to buck their recent finals trend and knock off Lobethal (maybe some wishful thinking on my behalf here)
A2's - Nairne have been the best team in it since xmas. Lobey play their home paddock well, but the visitors to win a tight one.
B's- Strath at home on the turf
C's - Saw Nairne first hand last week, strong batting line up. Will go with them
D's- has been postponed til next week. Is this over a venue dispute, or is there more to it? Interesting.

Cambrai again claimed the double in TVCA last week. 7/147 proved too many for Birdwood who had an off-day with the bat, finishing on 100. Cambrai B's won fairly comfortably, also against Birdwood.

[Barkeroo]

Agree with those tips Saintal.

Not sure on the situation in the D Grade, bit of an odd one there.

[caleb777]

Agree with those tips Saintal.

Not sure on the situation in the D Grade, bit of an odd one there.

Think there is a bit of controversy about the eligibility of a certain Barker player from last week.

[saintal]

Agree with those tips Saintal.

Not sure on the situation in the D Grade, bit of an odd one there.

Think there is a bit of controversy about the eligibility of a certain Barker player from last week.

Hmm. We've wondered about the legitimacy of one of their players all season long (played some decent level grade cricket, albeit early in season), I do wonder if it's the same guy being questioned..

[caleb777]

Agree with those tips Saintal.

Not sure on the situation in the D Grade, bit of an odd one there.

Think there is a bit of controversy about the eligibility of a certain Barker player from last week.

Hmm. We've wondered about the legitimacy of one of their players all season long (played some decent level grade cricket, albeit early in season), I do wonder if it's the same guy being questioned..

Yep, got it in one. Nairne are the one who suffer from this issue the most. Finished top and now will probably lose a bunch of players next week.

[Barkeroo]

Langhorne Creek fall to Lobethal in the A Grade Prelim Final. Hahndorf vs Lobethal next week.

- Lobethal win it in A2s, chasing down Nairnes total of 122 with about 8 overs to spare.
- Woodside batted first in the Bs and were able to defend their total of 145 down at Strath for their first B Grade flag in A&EH.
- Nairne get up over Lobethal in Cs with an 11 run last wicket partnership seeing them chase down Lobethals 135 with just that 1 wicket in hand.
- D's to be played today after the drama of the week in that grade.

[Bradman]

In reference to D Grade drama last week about player just to save on whispers and innuendo

these are facts
Player in question played b grade district cricket - by the bylaws should have played in mt barkers top grade being a2

But in the circumstances of player which i will not disclose full details
* had 2 harrowing family circumstances with 1 being very publicised in last 12 months
* was never going to play grade cricket again this year
* wanted to play with his cousin

all this and more was put to the association with full disclaimer of player details
Permits committee allowed the player to play the year under the permit - the Mt barker Cricket club was open and transparent and had all emails and transcript of the permit request

It wasn't until Mt Barker made the final that the issue was raised - and the permits and disputes committee ruled the association made an error by letter of the bylaws

alot of back and forth and yes and no in between but i think common sense come to te fore in the end

again Mt barker was fully open and honest from the start

what i will say is that at association level and club level we are all volunteers, we will all make errors along the way - dont be too harsh on the association and its volunteers.

[Corona Man]

Are we talking about the bloke who made 123* off 66 balls?

[saintal]

Are we talking about the bloke who made 123* off 66 balls?

No, that's Chris Ladhams of ex-AFL fame. Had a handy season..510 runs @ 73 and 17 wickets @ 13. Hits a big ball.

The bloke in question hit 446 runs @ 74 and took 11 wickets @ 17

Thanks for the clarification above Bradman. So reading between the lines it appears the AEHCA gave him a permit to play but overlooked the by-law that required him to play A2s. When he played against our D's earlier in the season we did consider questioning it with the AEHCA exec..perhaps we should have and it might have saved some headaches last week..

[saintal]

Langhorne Creek fall to Lobethal in the A Grade Prelim Final. Hahndorf vs Lobethal next week.

- Lobethal win it in A2s, chasing down Nairnes total of 122 with about 8 overs to spare.
- Woodside batted first in the Bs and were able to defend their total of 145 down at Strath for their first B Grade flag in A&EH.
- Nairne get up over Lobethal in Cs with an 11 run last wicket partnership seeing them chase down Lobethals 135 with just that 1 wicket in hand.
- D's to be played today after the drama of the week in that grade.

Not our best efforts with the tips Bakeroo.

Some thrilling finishes across the weekend, with 3 GF's being decided by a single wicket. The AEHCA C's as mentioned above, and also the HCA B's and C's. The U16's was also tight, with just 10 runs in it.

Stirling to host SCIBs in the HCA A's. Lofty were 5/18 early on before crawling to 81 from 43 overs. SCIBs weren't in a rush to reel in the total, reaching it in the 39th over for the loss of 4 wickets.

[Corona Man]

Are we talking about the bloke who made 123* off 66 balls?

No, that's Chris Ladhams of ex-AFL fame. Had a handy season..510 runs @ 73 and 17 wickets @ 13. Hits a big ball.

The bloke in question hit 446 runs @ 74 and took 11 wickets @ 17

Thanks for the clarification above Bradman. So reading between the lines it appears the AEHCA gave him a permit to play but overlooked the by-law that required him to play A2s. When he played against our D's earlier in the season we did consider questioning it with the AEHCA exec..perhaps we should have and it might have saved some headaches last week..

Ok so they had 2 blokes who are clearly better than 'D" grade standard in the team?

I can see both sides of the argument though. While every club wants the more gifted players playing at the highest level for their clubs, sometimes its just not possible. For a club like Barker, who from an outsiders perspective, have struggled to attract or retain talented players to their club for more than 10 years.... you'd think they'd keen to get these 2 guys into the first XI, and head back up to the A grade comp?

[Bradman]

you can look at it that way or do you keep your future younger players out of the side to accommodate?

Chris is 44 years old - played after being away from the game for years...everyone from outside has an opinion and thats okay.as long as everyone has the facts

I think a bigger issue for the comp is playing a guy who had not played a single game throughout the year in D Grade yet can play d grade finals! People will say the other grades were still playing so he can play down but my thought would be you should have to play min 3 games in a grade to qualify for that team -whether higher teams are in finals or not - My opinion

The poor guy played c grade all year gets put in a losing grand final team and the team he played for all year wins the premiership - AGAIN there maybe be reasons unknown to me so im not judging the individual case, outside looking in i just feel for the lad

[Bradman]

Are we talking about the bloke who made 123* off 66 balls?

No, that's Chris Ladhams of ex-AFL fame. Had a handy season..510 runs @ 73 and 17 wickets @ 13. Hits a big ball.

The bloke in question hit 446 runs @ 74 and took 11 wickets @ 17

Thanks for the clarification above Bradman. So reading between the lines it appears the AEHCA gave him a permit to play but overlooked the by-law that required him to play A2s. When he played against our D's earlier in the season we did consider questioning it with the AEHCA exec..perhaps we should have and it might have saved some headaches last week..

Ok so they had 2 blokes who are clearly better than 'D" grade standard in the team?

I can see both sides of the argument though. While every club wants the more gifted players playing at the highest level for their clubs, sometimes its just not possible. For a club like Barker, who from an outsiders perspective, have struggled to attract or retain talented players to their club for more than 10 years.... you'd think they'd keen to get these 2 guys into the first XI, and head back up to the A grade comp?

Unfortunately Mt Barker Cc will struggle to attract players as long as we are not helped with facilities. People will say if we are not in A Grade its hard to attract but even when we were we struggled. Our base is a shed - we dont have a relationship with the footy club and the council has a lease with the footy club for 12 months of the year - we are a tenant of the football club with its current model

Our Committee has worked to get the club in a good financial position - and we have so far upgraded the showgrounds pitch - the high school oval pitch and working with council for a solution to giving somewhere the club can call a home - after 130 years the club has never had clubrooms. the past is the past cant do anything about that - need to look forward and do what we can to sustainably stay in a grade

[Corona Man]

The issues you have highlighted here would certainly be contributing factors in attracting players to your club. However, I am of the opinion, that there's a number of other factors (including a few characters in & around your club in years gone by) that have contributed to your lot. That's in the past, and if you are working hard on a re-build, with an eye to returning to the top level, then I applaud you for that.

I am a little confused now about your other post... "the poor guy played C grade".....and that the guy didn't play a D grade game all year....

I don't think there is any set of circumstances where a player, who didn't play 1 game all year, in a grade, but played higher, can then turn out for a lower grade team in a GF. If that's what has happened, then that is very wrong.

[saintal]

Blokes playing in grades lower than their ‘talent’ suggests they should has and always will be an issue in amateur sports. Tends to get magnified in cricket. There's generally a story behind why it occurs though.

Last year Nairne had a guy averaging 120 in the Ds for example. Our leading run scorer in the D’s this season has been one of our better A2’s batsmen the past few years and ideally should have been playing that grade for us.

Agree that the lack of clubroom/social facilities wouldn’t have helped player attraction and retention at MB. Had a chat with their President after a recent match, and the proposed development will be great if it can get off the ground.

[saintal]

I am a little confused now about your other post... "the poor guy played C grade".....and that the guy didn't play a D grade game all year....

I don't think there is any set of circumstances where a player, who didn't play 1 game all year, in a grade, but played higher, can then turn out for a lower grade team in a GF. If that's what has happened, then that is very wrong.

Looks like the guy in question played C's all year but was named in their D's semi final team, and then played the D's GF. As both Nairne teams were alive in the finals they can do this within the rules.

[Corona Man]

I am a little confused now about your other post... "the poor guy played C grade".....and that the guy didn't play a D grade game all year....

I don't think there is any set of circumstances where a player, who didn't play 1 game all year, in a grade, but played higher, can then turn out for a lower grade team in a GF. If that's what has happened, then that is very wrong.

Looks like the guy in question played C's all year but was named in their D's semi final team, and then played the D's GF. As both Nairne teams were alive in the finals they can do this within the rules.

Oh ok, I thought the guy in question was a Barker player....

[batmanbegins]

Langhorne Creek fall to Lobethal in the A Grade Prelim Final. Hahndorf vs Lobethal next week.

- Lobethal win it in A2s, chasing down Nairnes total of 122 with about 8 overs to spare.
- Woodside batted first in the Bs and were able to defend their total of 145 down at Strath for their first B Grade flag in A&EH.
- Nairne get up over Lobethal in Cs with an 11 run last wicket partnership seeing them chase down Lobethals 135 with just that 1 wicket in hand.
- D's to be played today after the drama of the week in that grade.

Not our best efforts with the tips Bakeroo.

Some thrilling finishes across the weekend, with 3 GF's being decided by a single wicket. The AEHCA C's as mentioned above, and also the HCA B's and C's. The U16's was also tight, with just 10 runs in it.

Stirling to host SCIBs in the HCA A's. Lofty were 5/18 early on before crawling to 81 from 43 overs. SCIBs weren't in a rush to reel in the total, reaching it in the 39th over for the loss of 4 wickets.

Lofty oval may be the slowest outfield I've played on, was a nightmare to score hence the low scores and slow scoring. Bowling was also very good from both sides.

Bs and Cs GFs both ended in 1 wicket wins. Our Bs unfortunately lost by 1 wicket two years on thr trot but they had a super season again.

[Corona Man]

Langhorne Creek fall to Lobethal in the A Grade Prelim Final. Hahndorf vs Lobethal next week.

- Lobethal win it in A2s, chasing down Nairnes total of 122 with about 8 overs to spare.
- Woodside batted first in the Bs and were able to defend their total of 145 down at Strath for their first B Grade flag in A&EH.
- Nairne get up over Lobethal in Cs with an 11 run last wicket partnership seeing them chase down Lobethals 135 with just that 1 wicket in hand.
- D's to be played today after the drama of the week in that grade.

Not our best efforts with the tips Bakeroo.

Some thrilling finishes across the weekend, with 3 GF's being decided by a single wicket. The AEHCA C's as mentioned above, and also the HCA B's and C's. The U16's was also tight, with just 10 runs in it.

Stirling to host SCIBs in the HCA A's. Lofty were 5/18 early on before crawling to 81 from 43 overs. SCIBs weren't in a rush to reel in the total, reaching it in the 39th over for the loss of 4 wickets.

Lofty oval may be the slowest outfield I've played on, was a nightmare to score hence the low scores and slow scoring. Bowling was also very good from both sides.

Bs and Cs GFs both ended in 1 wicket wins. Our Bs unfortunately lost by 1 wicket two years on thr trot but they had a super season again.

Check your PM's

[jackpot jim]

you can look at it that way or do you keep your future younger players out of the side to accommodate?

Chris is 44 years old - played after being away from the game for years...everyone from outside has an opinion and thats okay.as long as everyone has the facts

I think a bigger issue for the comp is playing a guy who had not played a single game throughout the year in D Grade yet can play d grade finals! People will say the other grades were still playing so he can play down but my thought would be you should have to play min 3 games in a grade to qualify for that team -whether higher teams are in finals or not - My opinion

The poor guy played c grade all year gets put in a losing grand final team and the team he played for all year wins the premiership - AGAIN there maybe be reasons unknown to me so im not judging the individual case, outside looking in i just feel for the lad

Leading A Grade Batsmen Jenner, Allegretto and Warren would all be around the 44 y.o. mark so dont think age comes into it.
Ladhams not breaking any rules at all playing D Grade so it's totally up to Mt Barker what grade he plays. Over the decades ALL Clubs have had players play in Lower Grades that dont belong there on ability and all will argue there's justifiable reason for them to be there. Is what it is.

The last thing there needs to be is another finals qualification clause to further confuse everybody.
The fact is that come finals time EVERYONE all of a sudden seems to be conveniently available which creates a selection nightmare for Clubs with multiple teams in Finals. Would you rather see a player get squeezed out of C Grade and NOT be able to play at all? Again it is what it is imo

In regards to Kieran Tregloan, a By Law was added about 2 years ago that intimates that any Premier Grade player that has played a 1st or 2nd Grade match in the Current season can only play in his A&EHCA registered Clubs HIGHEST Grade.
Unfortunately an oversight by volunteers in the registration process saw the said player play D Grade for about 9 matches and it wasn't officially questioned until last week when the issue was identified. The Association was then put in a difficult position and the final outcome was that Mt Barker and Kieran were permitted to play in the Grand Final which they ultimately won. There has been much heated debate and many differing opinions on what should've happened but as Bradman stated in an earlier post, Clubs and the Association are both run by volunteers and unfortunately innocent errors may occur at times and people need to be understanding of that.

Creeks Finals misery in A Grade has Continued as their Premiership drought since 2019 continues despite being Minor Premiers 4 of the past 5 seasons and finishing 2nd in the other. In that time they have generally dominated Lobethal in Minor Round matches but when it comes to Finals they just consistently misfire.
Lobethal the Tip to make it 4 straight despite Hahndorf hammering them both times in the Minor Round this season