Grade Cricket

[Tony Clifton]

Sussex off-spinning all-rounder Jack Carson announced on West Torrens FB page as a new recruit. Will help replace the void left by Dan Fallins retirement I’d imagine and should be a good mentor for up and coming offie Oliver Ellicott.

Is Seb Young still around?

[wedgetail]

Seb Young captain of WTDCC 2nd grade and playing as a batsman.

[The Hound]

Anyone know how the points system is going?

[Aerie]

Anyone know how the points system is going?

Is there a list somewhere with how many points each player is worth?

Here's the rules...

ANNEXURE C

PLAYER POINTS CAP – MEN’S 1st GRADE

1. PLAYER POINTS CAP SYSTEM
1.1 All 1st Grade teams in the Men’s 1st Grade competitions in the Premier Cricket Competition (including 1st Grade
Division 1 and Division 2, 1st Grade West End One Day Cup and 1st Grade T20 Cup) (“1st Grade Competitions” or
each a 1st Grade Competition) must comply with the Player Points Cap. If a Club plays a team that is in breach of
the Player Points Cap the Club may lose Match points.

1.2 The Player Points Cap will be:
(a) 26 points per team in a 1st Grade Competition Match for the 2024/25 season;
(b) 24 points per team in a 1st Grade Competition Match for the 2025/26 season; and
(c) 22 points per team in a 1st Grade Competition Match for the 2026/27 season.
Adelaide University Cricket Club will receive an additional 2 point allowance until such time as it has been running a
full junior program for two (2) seasons.

1.3 A Player who is not an overseas player and who has made their Premier Cricket Competition debut while playing at
a Club will attract zero (0) points when playing for that Club (being their Original Club).

1.4 A Player who:
(a) is not an overseas player; and
(b) has not made their 1st Grade Premier Cricket Competition debut; and
(c) moves to another Club,
will attract one (1) point when playing for that other Club, provided they have not played a Match for a Club in a 1st
Grade Senior competition or a 1st Grade one day (limited overs) competition (anywhere in Australia) at the time they
moved to that Club. The Player’s points value while playing at the other Club will otherwise be determined as set out
in clause 1.5.

1.5 The following will apply for Players moving to a Club (except where clauses 1.3 or 1.4 apply):
(a) Where a Player’s points value at a Club is two (2) or more, the Player’s points value while playing at that Club
will reduce by one point for each consecutive season for which they remain at that Club, subject to preserving
a minimum of one (1) point.
(b) A Player who moves Clubs (other than to a club that the Player has previously played for) and fits into more
than one category of the Player Points Cap System will be deemed to be in the category which attracts the
most points.
(c) A Player, other than an overseas player, who:
(i) moves to Adelaide University Cricket Club;
(ii) satisfies any of the criteria set out in clause 1.8; and
(iii) has not yet played a 1st Grade Match with any Club at the time the Player moves to Adelaide University
Cricket Club,
will have a one point value when playing for Adelaide University Cricket Club.

1.6 A Replacement Player will be deemed to have the same point value as the Player they replace in a Match.

1.7 The Manager - Premier Cricket will be the final arbiter for the purposes of making a determination as to a Player’s
point value. Their decision will be final and binding.

1.8 The criteria for the purposes of clause 1.5(d) are as follows:
(a) a Player must be either an undergraduate student, post-graduate student, graduate or staff member of the
University of Adelaide (including full and part-time students and members of academic staff); or
(b) a financial playing member of a University Cricket Club in another State of Australia in the immediately
preceding season.

1.9 For BBL Players (interstate/overseas):
(a) only one BBL Player (interstate/overseas) per Club is permitted in a given season;
(b) BBL Players (interstate/overseas) will attract 2 points each.
(c) a BBL Permit will be issued for each BBL Player (interstate/overseas), which will be valid for the duration of
the BBL series only (and expiring at the end of the BBL series for which it is issued).
Matches played by a BBL Player (interstate/overseas) under a BBL Permit will not be counted for the purpose of
qualification for any Premier Cricket Competition Finals Matches. For any BBL Player (interstate/overseas) who
plays prior to or after the BBL series, the table in clause 2 will apply in determining their points value and allocation.

2. CATEGORIES AND POINTS TABLE
2.1 The following descriptions, except for the one-point category, refer to Players joining a Club with that status:
CATEGORY Pts.
Players from other countries (overseas players)
International (T20, ODI, Test) full member only 8
First Class 7
One Day Domestic 6
T20 Domestic 6
ICC associate member (regardless of format) 4
Other non-first class 3

CATEGORY Pts.
Players from interstate
International (T20, ODI, Test) 7
First Class 6
One Day Domestic 5
T20 Domestic (BBL) 5
T20 Domestic (Duration of BBL) 2
Premier 1st Grade 3
Returning to immediate past Premier Club *
Returning to Premier Club of Origin 0

CATEGORY Pts.
Players from other Clubs
International (T20, ODI, Test) 6
First Class 5
One Day Domestic 5
T20 Domestic (BBL) 4
Premier 1st Grade 50+ games 4
Premier 1st Grade 21-49 games 3
Premier 1st Grade 1-20 games 2
Premier 1st Grade 0 games 1
Returning to Premier Club of Origin 1
Returning to immediate past Premier Club *
* Indicates that the Player attracts the same number of points as the Player had, or would have had, before leaving the
relevant Club.

3. DEFINITIONS IN ANNEXURE C
1st Grade Competitions has the meaning given in clause 1 of Annexure C.
BBL means the Big Bash T20 cricket competition conducted under the auspices of Cricket Australia.
BBL Permit means an approval issued under and in accordance with clause 1.9, permitting a relevant BBL Player
(interstate/overseas) to play in the Premier Cricket Competition.
BBL Player (interstate/overseas) means a player contracted to a BBL team for or during the relevant BBL season and
who is ordinarily resident and playing in a location that is interstate or overseas.
Current Player means a Player who has played at the level described within two (2) years of 1 October in the current
season.
Original Club means the Club for which a Player debuted in a Premier Cricket Competition.
Returning Players means:
(a) Players returning from interstate to their original Club (who will have the same status as when they left that Club);
or
(b) Players returning from overseas to their last Club (who will have the same point allocation as when they left that
Club)
(as applicable).
Annexure C otherwise adopts the definitions in the By-Laws.

[Minimum Chips]

Anyone know how the points system is going?

Is there a list somewhere with how many points each player is worth?

/quote]

I believe each club had to lodge a list of "points players" to SACA before the start of the season? I'm not sure where one could find a list of of what each player (and their point value) would be.

[Insider_Trading]

West Torrens coach given a 6 game suspension. 2 of those suspended.
Has to serve 4 games starting this weekend.

[Tony Clifton]

That's a shame for Harrity. Seems really strange that these issues occasionally pop up. He's a lovely bloke to have a beer with and chat cricket. A genuinely warm person and cricket lover. Willing to help anyone with their game. I know players from opposition clubs who have gone to him for help with their games at times. Passionate about club cricket and SA cricket in general. Maybe too passionate at times I guess.

[Aerie]

There is such scrutiny on those at higher levels, it is hopefully taken as a lesson learnt and will be of benefit in the future as Hags' coaching career progresses. I believe it was a ball thrown at the kit bag in frustration, which ricochet off a pole and ended up landing near other people watching the game. Unlucky in some ways, especially the length of penalty, but... take some deep breaths instead of hurling a ball when the frustration hits boiling point. Easier said than done, but something to work on. I remember as a teenager watching Hags at fine leg playing for the Redbacks talking and working non-stop with the coach about his bowling. He'd then bowl an over, come back to fine leg, and be talking more. He was well established by that stage, and I remember being surprised to see a player of his calibre and experience working so much on his craft during the game. There is always something to work on, he has the work ethic to turn this suspension into a positive long term.

Not sure what 4 games means. Does it include T20's? Still allowed to coach during the week? If it's just keep away from the game on match days, treat it as long service leave and enjoy some weekends off and come back better.

[Insider_Trading]

In terms of suspensions.
The laws were changed for SACA cricket this season.
It is literally now 4 games (or whatever you are suspended for). If it is 4 T20 games, then happy days.

In the past if it was 4 games, it was always 4 red ball games and included everything played in between.

(I think the Northern Districts players suspended for 7 games weren't available to play until February if those laws weren't changed)


No idea in terms of coaching though. Sounds like it would be a holiday and can watch the game on frogbox!

[wedgetail]

All because port were petty, sore loser a---holes and wouldn't lend WT a new ball for port's second innings on the first day. Would suggest port will get short shrift from WT if asking any favours from them in the future! There have been numerous instances in the past where clubs have lent a new ball to the opposition when needed and then the club would give them a replacement ASAP.

[tigerpie]

All because port were petty, sore loser a---holes and wouldn't lend WT a new ball for port's second innings on the first day. Would suggest port will get short shrift from WT if asking any favours from them in the future! There have been numerous instances in the past where clubs have lent a new ball to the opposition when needed and then the club would give them a replacement ASAP.

There's a lesson to be learnt then.
Make sure you've got at least 2 balls in your bag.

[am Bays]

All because port were petty, sore loser a---holes and wouldn't lend WT a new ball for port's second innings on the first day. Would suggest port will get short shrift from WT if asking any favours from them in the future! There have been numerous instances in the past where clubs have lent a new ball to the opposition when needed and then the club would give them a replacement ASAP.

Mate, that's like whinging over being stumped before over is called!!

How hard is it at any Grade of premier cricket to not have at least two new rocks.

Port well within their rights IMO not to give up a new Kooka Regulation to the oppo and I hate all things Port Adelaide

Fair dinkum!

[ferret]

"am Bays" What a fxxxing shit reply. Holier than now. Never made a mistake. You are on the same footing as sooky, sooky la la magpies..

[Catter4lyfe]

Does anyone in this thread see the irony around the constant whining that happens directed at SACA not driving a competitive environment... Then a side decides not to "help" their opposition for a clear mistake they made? As an amateur cricket man myself I find that quite humorous

[Arry Gablett]

All because port were petty, sore loser a---holes and wouldn't lend WT a new ball for port's second innings on the first day. Would suggest port will get short shrift from WT if asking any favours from them in the future! There have been numerous instances in the past where clubs have lent a new ball to the opposition when needed and then the club would give them a replacement ASAP.

Mate, that's like whinging over being stumped before over is called!!

How hard is it at any Grade of premier cricket to not have at least two new rocks.

Port well within their rights IMO not to give up a new Kooka Regulation to the oppo and I hate all things Port Adelaide

Fair dinkum!

I agree with this its not community cricket

Players and coaches involved in premier cricket are theoretically 2 performances away from the test team

so if i read this right and am happy to be corrected
WT forgot to pack a second ball - poor preparation
PORT wouldnt lend them one - many players looking to play at higher level, money invested into their wins, within their rights as its not their responsibility to help a rival club
WT coach threw the toys out of the cot again because he didnt get his way- may be a great bloke and coach but has a history of petulant behaviour when things dont go his way - and clearly has affected his chances to go higher
WT suporters blaming others for the organisation they support making a mistake that would not suggest high performance

[Tony Clifton]

Adelaide lose by 1:50pm on Day 1...

All out 50, TTG 1/52

[Salad]

All because port were petty, sore loser a---holes and wouldn't lend WT a new ball for port's second innings on the first day. Would suggest port will get short shrift from WT if asking any favours from them in the future! There have been numerous instances in the past where clubs have lent a new ball to the opposition when needed and then the club would give them a replacement ASAP.

Mate, that's like whinging over being stumped before over is called!!

How hard is it at any Grade of premier cricket to not have at least two new rocks.

Port well within their rights IMO not to give up a new Kooka Regulation to the oppo and I hate all things Port Adelaide

Fair dinkum!

I agree with this its not community cricket

Players and coaches involved in premier cricket are theoretically 2 performances away from the test team

so if i read this right and am happy to be corrected
WT forgot to pack a second ball - poor preparation
PORT wouldnt lend them one - many players looking to play at higher level, money invested into their wins, within their rights as its not their responsibility to help a rival club
WT coach threw the toys out of the cot again because he didnt get his way- may be a great bloke and coach but has a history of petulant behaviour when things dont go his way - and clearly has affected his chances to go higher
WT suporters blaming others for the organisation they support making a mistake that would not suggest high performance

What’s the theoretical performance you need to play to go from Grade cricket to Australia in 2 games do you think?
300no against a West Torrens/Kensington/Glenelg side then a 1st and 2nd innings double ton against a state side?

[amber_fluid]

Why would you not lend them a ball?
Poor sportsmanship not too.

Not condoning Hags behaviour but **** me it’s just a ball.

[Salad]

Why would you not lend them a ball?
Poor sportsmanship not too.

Not condoning Hags behaviour but **** me it’s just a ball.

I’m not lending the ball haha
Not that I think Port are relegation bound, but you take every advantage your opposition give you.

[Salad]

You don’t lend the opposition a fielder when they’re down a player