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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:36 pm

BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby jackpot jim » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:33 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.


Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.

and as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rainbow warrior » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:39 pm

jackpot jim wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.


Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.

and as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?


Jackpot Jim. Great summary. I agree mate. We play a summer sport, we should be playing. And yes I paly ATCA and would be very upset if we got called off 2nd week needing a small amount to win that we do.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby interested observer » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:46 pm

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Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.
as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?[/quote]



So how would it work for an individual in a team environment to pull out for his "OWN SAFETY" in the second week of a game??

I don't think so...

These decisions have to be based on the majority not the minority...
10 points for a win RW because your nearly there, or a very sick mate ?????
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby krustymirkin » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:47 pm

the races at Ballarat were called off today,seems even the horses know its too hot? :lol:
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby risetothetop » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:59 pm

my shed at at home is hot
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby BluesBrother08 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:16 pm

jackpot jim wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.


Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.

and as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?


Load of Crap my arse. You look on the internet there are many people that have died from heat stroke on the sporting field. Also legal action is a real possibility my friend. If you look at this case http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/577494 where the widow of an NFL player who died from heat stroke on a training camp sued the NFL and settled out of court. I don't know how much you know about law (not much by the sounds of it) but not having a heat policy and someone dying is called death by negligence my friend and legal action if this happens is a real possiblility. Even look at this case where a coach was charged with homicide when 9 players dropped dead from heat stroke when football training. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/h ... ath23.html. No-one held a gun to these boys head and made them train!!
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby wycbloods » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:21 pm

A rational argument doesn't seem to work BB so i would give up as some people just don't get it.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby oldskool » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:27 pm

They should just say its going to be 39c so we can play.
Because really whats the difference between 39c and 40c.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby Mr_Willy » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:30 pm

oldskool wrote:They should just say its going to be 39c so we can play.
Because really whats the difference between 39c and 40c.


1 degree, mate. And they aren't forecasting 40 anyway, this weekend their forecasting 43 or 44!!

@ Jackpot Jim - it is about RISK MANAGEMENT which is exactly why heat policies are there. TO MANAGE THE RISK!!!!!
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:34 pm

jackpot jim wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.


Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.

and as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?


jj are you disputing the information that BluesBrother08 got from a doctor? If so i'd like to know your medical qualifications to back your argument.

Cars are not banned but rules are put on their use as a part of risk management. Limits are put on many things as a part of risk management. A limit is put on temperature as a part of risk management in various cricket associations. Should golfers continue to play in a lightning storm? No one is suggesting banning cricket rather just taking a precaution that is in the best interests of players health. Your attitude shows exactly why it is done as players who are not fit to play in such conditions (and you can't tell me you haven't seen lots of guys who are overweight and unfit playing cricket) are quite likely to play anyway putting themselves in a dangerous postion as they want to avoid the situation where they are called soft and told to toughen up. Sometimes people need to be told what's best for them as they can't figure it out themselves.

rainbow warrior i'll ask you a hypothetical question. You have said your team requires a small number of runs for victory on Saturday. If the situation were that there was one wicket in hand only and one of the not out batsmen said it was too hot and he didn't wish to play due to health concerns how would that go down with you team? I think the answer to that question shows exactly why a heat policy is needed.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rainbow warrior » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:47 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
jackpot jim wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
BluesBrother08 wrote:Last year when all the hoo ha came about in the MTCA because a final was called off because of heat we spoke to a local doctor here about the dangers. He belived even 40 was too hot to be playing. He said that the natural body temperature was 36 or 38 can't quite remember and if we expose our body's to anything over that for long periods of time then it can become quite dangerous. He thought the heat policy should be 38. Also remeber that the temperature is always measured in the shade so if the temp is 40 in the shade it will be 2-5 degrees hotter in the sun. People have to realise that the associations need to look after the welfare of their players first and by scrapping a heat policy for finals which the MTCA has done they are being negligent and opening themselves up to legal action.

Also how would you feel if it was your brother or your best mate who dies from heat stroke because he played cricket because there was no heat policy. I know how I would feel and I know who I would go after, the administrators who decided the stupid policy. We are not playing professional sport and to put ourselves at risk to play an amateur game is just ridiculous and if anyone doesn't agree then they are just kidding themselves.



Extremelly good summary. It simply is not worth the risk to be playing in such conditions.


Wot load of CRAP.
THeres more chance getting killed driving to the game in your car than dying from heat stroke.
There are RISKS with EVERYTHING we do in life BUT we dont wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and do nothing do we. More cricketers will end up dying from Health related issues from sitting in the pub skulling down excessive amounts of alcohol than being out on the field.
People die every day on the roads yet we dont ban cars.
People die every day from drownings etc yet we dont ban swimming.
People die every day from smoking related illnesses yet we dont ban smoking.

It's all about risk management and taking adequete precautions with everything we do in life, NOT just a matter of banning it.

and as for talk of legal action, FFS, it's the individiuals choice whether to play or not, it's not if they have got a gun being held to their head.

Question - If a player carks it on the field on a 30 c day from a lack of hydration bcos he spent 12 hrs the night b4 on the piss, whos fault is it?


jj are you disputing the information that BluesBrother08 got from a doctor? If so i'd like to know your medical qualifications to back your argument.

Cars are not banned but rules are put on their use as a part of risk management. Limits are put on many things as a part of risk management. A limit is put on temperature as a part of risk management in various cricket associations. Should golfers continue to play in a lightning storm? No one is suggesting banning cricket rather just taking a precaution that is in the best interests of players health. Your attitude shows exactly why it is done as players who are not fit to play in such conditions (and you can't tell me you haven't seen lots of guys who are overweight and unfit playing cricket) are quite likely to play anyway putting themselves in a dangerous postion as they want to avoid the situation where they are called soft and told to toughen up. Sometimes people need to be told what's best for them as they can't figure it out themselves.

rainbow warrior i'll ask you a hypothetical question. You have said your team requires a small number of runs for victory on Saturday. If the situation were that there was one wicket in hand only and one of the not out batsmen said it was too hot and he didn't wish to play due to health concerns how would that go down with you team? I think the answer to that question shows exactly why a heat policy is needed.


Mate I will answer that easily. Ask any of my teammates that post here Wizard of Oz, Shark Hunter they will vouch for the fact that I would want to play regardless of the conditions. Isay the same thing here about the ridiculous pickiness of us Australians with the turf pitches they wont paly on even if it is a little bit wet. I jsut think it is character building weather and shows what people are made of. I would play regardless, even with one wicket down I batting #11 would think I would be able to win the game regardless.

I hear you on the lawyers duty of care etc. Lawyers ruin society this day with their litigiousness however it is a fact of life I cannot dispute. A sad reflection on scoiety yes but a fact of life nonetheless. It still comes down ot preparation and being smart. you will not convince me otherwise. Regular drinks breaks are required etc but at A1 level I do not belive we should not play due to a little bit of heat. The world is too soft.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby wycbloods » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:50 pm

rod_rooster wrote: If the situation were that there was one wicket in hand only and one of the not out batsmen said it was too hot and he didn't wish to play due to health concerns how would that go down with you team? I think the answer to that question shows exactly why a heat policy is needed.


Answer that question RW
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby Mr_Willy » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:52 pm

rainbow warrior wrote:
Mate I will answer that easily. Ask any of my teammates that post here Wizard of Oz, Shark Hunter they will vouch for the fact that I would want to play regardless of the conditions. Isay the same thing here about the ridiculous pickiness of us Australians with the turf pitches they wont paly on even if it is a little bit wet. I jsut think it is character building weather and shows what people are made of. I would play regardless, even with one wicket down I batting #11 would think I would be able to win the game regardless.

I hear you on the lawyers duty of care etc. Lawyers ruin society this day with their litigiousness however it is a fact of life I cannot dispute. A sad reflection on scoiety yes but a fact of life nonetheless. It still comes down ot preparation and being smart. you will not convince me otherwise. Regular drinks breaks are required etc but at A1 level I do not belive we should not play due to a little bit of heat. The world is too soft.


Obviously your a big tough guy then, who can play in any conditions. I agree it shows what people are made of - people who want to play when it's 40 degrees or hotter obviously have a brain made of rocks....
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rainbow warrior » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:54 pm

wycbloods wrote:
rod_rooster wrote: If the situation were that there was one wicket in hand only and one of the not out batsmen said it was too hot and he didn't wish to play due to health concerns how would that go down with you team? I think the answer to that question shows exactly why a heat policy is needed.


Answer that question RW


Sorry I didnt read the whole thing.

I cannot answer that without being put in that situation to be honest. I would rather my mate be healthy than the win no doubt, but id at least want him to get out there and try to get in that type of health status first.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rainbow warrior » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:55 pm

Mr_Willy wrote:
rainbow warrior wrote:
Mate I will answer that easily. Ask any of my teammates that post here Wizard of Oz, Shark Hunter they will vouch for the fact that I would want to play regardless of the conditions. Isay the same thing here about the ridiculous pickiness of us Australians with the turf pitches they wont paly on even if it is a little bit wet. I jsut think it is character building weather and shows what people are made of. I would play regardless, even with one wicket down I batting #11 would think I would be able to win the game regardless.

I hear you on the lawyers duty of care etc. Lawyers ruin society this day with their litigiousness however it is a fact of life I cannot dispute. A sad reflection on scoiety yes but a fact of life nonetheless. It still comes down ot preparation and being smart. you will not convince me otherwise. Regular drinks breaks are required etc but at A1 level I do not belive we should not play due to a little bit of heat. The world is too soft.


Obviously your a big tough guy then, who can play in any conditions. I agree it shows what people are made of - people who want to play when it's 40 degrees or hotter obviously have a brain made of rocks....


WIlly it is just a bit of heat. IT will only get to you if you let it. HAlf the problem is you guys are trying to convince yourselves somethign bad is going to happen. IT is a rare occurance for someone to die in these conditions. Toughen up.
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby interested observer » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:59 pm

Obviously your a big tough guy then, who can play in any conditions. I agree it shows what people are made of - people who want to play when it's 40 degrees or hotter obviously have a brain made of rocks....[/quote]

WIlly it is just a bit of heat. IT will only get to you if you let it. HAlf the problem is you guys are trying to convince yourselves somethign bad is going to happen. IT is a rare occurance for someone to die in these conditions. Toughen up.[/quote]


AHOS boys must have toughened up over the years !!!!
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby DILLIGAF » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:59 pm

remember years ago no aircon wind the windows down on ya car sleep on the concrete to stay cool ah the good old days when ya played cricket no matter how hot it was people r goin soft i suppose the people who complain its hot whinge when its cold to?
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Re: Heat Policy

Postby hearts on fire » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:59 pm

Alot of people want to be heroes by saying they can play in any conditions, it's just plain stupidity, what have you got to prove by playing in extreme temperatures? It ain't going to make you any less of a man if you do or don't.

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Re: Heat Policy

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:01 pm

rainbow warrior wrote:
wycbloods wrote:
rod_rooster wrote: If the situation were that there was one wicket in hand only and one of the not out batsmen said it was too hot and he didn't wish to play due to health concerns how would that go down with you team? I think the answer to that question shows exactly why a heat policy is needed.


Answer that question RW


Sorry I didnt read the whole thing.

I cannot answer that without being put in that situation to be honest. I would rather my mate be healthy than the win no doubt, but id at least want him to get out there and try to get in that type of health status first.


So basically the reaction would be that until you are sick keep playing. I would have thought prevention is better than a cure but there you go. Anyway you have made my point that more often than not players would be under pressure to play until they collapse or at least feel as though they are under that pressure. Exactly why a heat policy needs to be and is in place.
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