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Spelly, based on crowd attendances since say Rd 1 2008 to the present, which team has the best travelling support in the league based on attendances at their away games in the minor round? Away game in this case means away at another club's home ground, not away at a neutral venue like Adelaide Oval or Football Park. Perhaps exclude country venues too.

Sturt 3875
Port 3752
North 3162
Glenelg 3123
Norwood 3058
Central 2889
Eagles 2881
West 2599
South 2124

Interesting! What is it for 2010 so far then?

Sturt 4142
North 3784
Port 3734
Norwood 3408
Central 3256
Glenelg 3248
Eagles 2960
West 2708
South 2205

I find that staggering - Sturt, Port and North are in the bottom 4 and have the top 3 average away attendances? I assume you are adding up the crowd figures for teams based on, for example Sturt v South at Noarlunga, Sturt v Eagles at Woodville etc and then averaging the totals?

Squawk wrote:I find that staggering - Sturt, Port and North are in the bottom 4 and have the top 3 average away attendances? I assume you are adding up the crowd figures for teams based on, for example Sturt v South at Noarlunga, Sturt v Eagles at Woodville etc and then averaging the totals?

Yes.

As a North supporter for the past 50 years, I have always been amazed at how many North supporters travel to opposition grounds and how few opposition supporters come to Prospect. Often, especially if North are playing well the outer at opposition grounds are a sea of red, yet the outer at Prospect is often bereft of any support. Saturday was a case in point, sure the weather was threatening, the overall crowd was pathetic, but I would be surprised if there were more than 300 Port supporters at the game.

spell_check wrote:

Squawk wrote:I find that staggering - Sturt, Port and North are in the bottom 4 and have the top 3 average away attendances? I assume you are adding up the crowd figures for teams based on, for example Sturt v South at Noarlunga, Sturt v Eagles at Woodville etc and then averaging the totals?

Yes.

But the alternative you could read into that is that those teams in the top half have more bandwaggon supporters turning up at their home games, who don't go when their team is down the bottom and those three teams mentioned are up the top.

FlyingHigh wrote:

spell_check wrote:

Squawk wrote:I find that staggering - Sturt, Port and North are in the bottom 4 and have the top 3 average away attendances? I assume you are adding up the crowd figures for teams based on, for example Sturt v South at Noarlunga, Sturt v Eagles at Woodville etc and then averaging the totals?

Yes.

But the alternative you could read into that is that those teams in the top half have more bandwaggon supporters turning up at their home games, who don't go when their team is down the bottom and those three teams mentioned are up the top.

But the top teams play each other as well, surely these bandwagon supporters would boost the away figures of their opponents in the five as well as their opponents out of the five. No matter which way you look at it Port, Sturt and North have more travelling supporters.

Dear oh Dear this topic is going to upset some of the precious Bay fans who believe they get great numbers at away games!

Problem for Glenelg fans is that their home game crowds on Sundays always draw a heap of neutrals and fair weather supposed bay fans. This includes quite a few friends and collegues of mine who support the bays because they live in the area, but they are not members, only go to home games at the bay on a sunday providing it is sunny and because the bays are going well. It has only been since mid 2005 -2006 onwards that many of them actually started going to Glenelg games for the first time! Also since Glenelg have been back up near the top from 2006 - some of their old suppoorters who abandoned them for the Crows have started to drift back too but at least I suppose they are real supporters?

This flatters their home ground figures and gives the impression they are better supported than they really are IMO and the stats via this topic tend to support that.

on the rails wrote:Problem for Glenelg fans is that their home game crowds on Sundays always draw a heap of neutrals and fair weather supposed bay fans.

Why would more people attending the footy at the Bay regardless be a problem ?

SJABC wrote:

on the rails wrote:Problem for Glenelg fans is that their home game crowds on Sundays always draw a heap of neutrals and fair weather supposed bay fans.

Why would more people attending the footy at the Bay regardless be a problem ?

Not so much a problem in the strict sense of the word but where I keep getting told how big a following Glenelg has by Glenelg people - the prioblem is the that some of the facts as I pointed out re the big Sunday home match figures inflate how much support Glenelg really have if you take into account their away match travelling support and you could throw membership numbers in there as well? Problem is Glenelg fans justifying the claims of big support?

Ahhh you North fans, any chance to have a dig at the Bays.

Depends on the Glenelg people you speak to I guess Drebin.

totally flawed statistics,

what happens if a team had to play South twice and Noarlunga and one at Richmond.

While another team plays Central on a Saturday night, Norwood on a friday night and Glenelg at the bay on a sunday, obviously those crowd numbers are going to be alot higher.

Those stats mean absolutly nothing.

whufc wrote:totally flawed statistics,

what happens if a team had to play South twice and Noarlunga and one at Richmond.

While another team plays Central on a Saturday night, Norwood on a friday night and Glenelg at the bay on a sunday, obviously those crowd numbers are going to be alot higher.

Those stats mean absolutly nothing.

Spelly's first response covered Rd 1 2008 to the present, so that's over 2 and a 1/2 seasons. That should iron out some of the impurities of just looking at this season only, to date.

Squawk wrote:
Spelly's first response covered Rd 1 2008 to the present, so that's over 2 and a 1/2 seasons. That should iron out some of the impurities of just looking at this season only, to date.

I would have thought so too.

on the rails wrote:Dear oh Dear this topic is going to upset some of the precious Bay fans who believe they get great numbers at away games!

Problem for Glenelg fans is that their home game crowds on Sundays always draw a heap of neutrals and fair weather supposed bay fans. This includes quite a few friends and collegues of mine who support the bays because they live in the area, but they are not members, only go to home games at the bay on a sunday providing it is sunny and because the bays are going well. It has only been since mid 2005 -2006 onwards that many of them actually started going to Glenelg games for the first time! Also since Glenelg have been back up near the top from 2006 - some of their old suppoorters who abandoned them for the Crows have started to drift back too but at least I suppose they are real supporters?

This flatters their home ground figures and gives the impression they are better supported than they really are IMO and the stats via this topic tend to support that.

Haha, fact is we where part of the so called big four pre 1990 numbers wise! with Port, Norwood and Sturt. You can include Centrals in there too now, they have great support. Going by your last grand final attendance you're sixth and only slightly better then the eagles crowd wise when it counts. It must hurt to think that we still get more people to games when we haven't had the success of those others clubs yours included, imagine what it will be like when we start winning grand finals

LBJ23 wrote:

on the rails wrote:Dear oh Dear this topic is going to upset some of the precious Bay fans who believe they get great numbers at away games!

Problem for Glenelg fans is that their home game crowds on Sundays always draw a heap of neutrals and fair weather supposed bay fans. This includes quite a few friends and collegues of mine who support the bays because they live in the area, but they are not members, only go to home games at the bay on a sunday providing it is sunny and because the bays are going well. It has only been since mid 2005 -2006 onwards that many of them actually started going to Glenelg games for the first time! Also since Glenelg have been back up near the top from 2006 - some of their old suppoorters who abandoned them for the Crows have started to drift back too but at least I suppose they are real supporters?

This flatters their home ground figures and gives the impression they are better supported than they really are IMO and the stats via this topic tend to support that.

Haha, fact is we where part of the so called big four pre 1990 numbers wise! with Port, Norwood and Sturt. You can include Centrals in there too now, they have great support. Going by your last grand final attendance you're sixth and only slightly better then the eagles crowd wise when it counts. It must hurt to think that we still get more people to games when we haven't had the success of those others clubs yours included, imagine what it will be like when we start winning grand finals

When North were going well they always drew as many as Glenelg and Sturt. Remember North were having their worst slump in history when the so called big four were dominating the market. As soon as North came good in 1985 their crowds were back up matching Glenelg and Sturt and not much short of Norwood.
North certainly draw more away from home than Glenelg, many of whose supporters have never been North of North Terrace.

With two away games at Elizabeth and Noarlunga every 2nd year we always get low away crowds, esepcialy two away games at Noarlunga where we always outnumber South supporters. Remember average away crowds include the home team's ability to draw a crowd too. Would like to see it if instead of Noarlunga and Elizabeth we had away games at Prospect and Norwood twice this year.

Not saying we would be up top but it would be better than what it is.

I mean Norwoods average home game based on last year is 3500 Souths 2000 change that mix around and our away figures would be better even allowing for the fact the average crowd at Elizabeth is 3200 and Prospect is 2800.