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Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:00 pm
by dinglinga
Question time mr spelly

how often has a team that finished last one year has made the finals the following year ???

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:02 pm
by GWW
dinglinga wrote:Question time mr spelly

how often has a team that finished last one year has made the finals the following year ???


I'm sure spelly will have the detailed reply, but the one obvious example is South in 64.

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:24 pm
by smithy
South went from bottom in 63 to premiers in 64..

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:28 pm
by spell_check
North - 1912-13
Norwood - 1920-21
South - 1934-35 (They swapped positions with Glenelg over these two years. South won the flag in 1935)
Sturt - 1958-59
South - 1963-64 (Again, South won the flag in 1964)
Glenelg - 1966-67
Woodville - 1985-86
Sturt - 1996-97
Glenelg - 1998-99
North - 2003-04

Also, Torrens went from last in 1941 to 1st in 1945, it doesn't count as the following year. but it does as the following season of the 8 team format.

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:39 pm
by smithy
Ease up spelly, sturt didn't win the spoon in 87.

We went from finalist to wooden spooner from 88 - 89 though

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:44 pm
by spell_check
smithy wrote:Ease up spelly, sturt didn't win the spoon in 87.

We went from finalist to wooden spooner from 88 - 89 though


Many thanks for that correction - I would have got that season by season table out of a yearbook and that's what I was looking at on my Excel program.

These are a list of teams who went from being in the finals one year, to wooden spooners the next:

North - 1911-12
Torrens - 1929-30
Glenelg - 1934-35
Sturt - 1948-49
Glenelg - 1953-54
Sturt - 1955-56
Glenelg - 1959-60
Torrens - 1974-75
Woodville - 1979-80
Sturt - 1988-89
Glenelg - 1999-00
West - 2004-05

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:22 am
by woodwt
woodville were 10th in 85 then 3rd in 86!

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:33 pm
by dinglinga
thanks spelly ...the reason for the question and i know the SANFL find it hard for logical thinking

and yes it was raised earlier this year

but can the team that finishes last have the bye in the last round the following year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:07 am
by Pseudo
dinglinga wrote:thanks spelly ...the reason for the question and i know the SANFL find it hard for logical thinking

and yes it was raised earlier this year

but can the team that finishes last have the bye in the last round the following year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Perhaps asking "has a team ever gone from wooden spoon to minor premier" would have been more appropriate, since the motivation is to prevent the minor premier from being lumbered with a final-round bye.

.... spelly?

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:32 pm
by Benchwarmer
A long stretch I know, but in 1916 Fitzroy managed both in one season in a war-ravaged four team VFL competition.

The Maroons finished 4th, won their semi and went on to win the flag in the same season.

Last and premiers in the same season ... something that will never happen again.

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:24 pm
by spell_check
Pseudo wrote:
dinglinga wrote:thanks spelly ...the reason for the question and i know the SANFL find it hard for logical thinking

and yes it was raised earlier this year

but can the team that finishes last have the bye in the last round the following year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Perhaps asking "has a team ever gone from wooden spoon to minor premier" would have been more appropriate, since the motivation is to prevent the minor premier from being lumbered with a final-round bye.

.... spelly?


It's never happened before under the McIntyre finals system, but North Adelaide did in 1900 after finishing last in 1899.

Re: Wooden spooners to finalist

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:41 pm
by Wedgie
spell_check wrote:It's never happened before under the McIntyre finals system, but North Adelaide did in 1900 after finishing last in 1899.

Unlikely to happen again too as wasn't that when the zoning came in?
Zoning made a huge difference to our comp.