Players who played before 1907

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Postby Leaping Lindner » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:19 pm

Leaping Lindner wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:NORTH ADELAIDE (1888)+

Jack Reedman(also Hotham, South, North, West (post 1907))
C.Bennett (I think this is Chris who later played with West and then North)
T.Bennett

F.Birrell
S.Pash *
F.Pash
N.Downs
Scott
Goss
Kekwick
Watson
Flight
Darmody
Warburton *
Reid *
McFie
Trathen *
Raskine

(* Also played with Hotham)
(+ This version of North Adelaide spent one season in the comp: and isn't related to the current North Adelaide in anyway.)

F.Pash is Frederick
S.Pash is Sidney
That is Chris Bennett also his brother Tim. They both went onto ADELAIDE (not West - I was confusing the red and black teams :oops:) then North Adelaide.


Just realised whilst doing some work this a.m that they both started playing at West Adelaide. That being the 1887 version which lasted one season before being swallowed up by Adelaide.
I knew they'd played with West Adelaide at some point.

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Postby spell_check » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:48 pm

I've posted all the West players that are listed in "Bloods Sweat and Tears" that played prior to 1907.

This has brought up many questions as to whether or not the following players played for another club:

D Black - Norwood (played for West in 1897)
J Collins - Torrens and/or North (1899)
V Degenhardt - Norwood (1901-03)
P Fitzpatrick - Norwood (1899-00)
A George - Torrens (1906)
A Lloyd - South (1904)
D Lyons - North (1899)
J McCann - Norwood (1897-99)
E Monck - South (1898-99)
W Morris - Medindie (1897)
J Quinn - Port (1898)
L Renfrey - Norwood (1903)
J Ryan - Torrens (1906)
J Sugars - Norwood (1900-04)
A Warren - South (1899)
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Postby Kevin » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:59 pm

EL "Bert" Renfrey played for Sturt from 1909.

According to True Blue (p29), he played for North 1895 - 1899 and Norwood for 2 years thereafter. Not sure if he is the same as the L Renfry on your list.

AA Warren played 5 games for Sturt in 1903.
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Postby spell_check » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:06 pm

That would be Ethelbert Renfrey, but I'm not sure if he played for West either.
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Postby Leaping Lindner » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:55 pm

Here is some info: from that brilliant site Full Points Footy

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/

Bert Renfrey's name is forever associated in the minds of South Australian football fans with arguably the greatest achievement in the state's entire football history: the emphatic 1911 Adelaide carnival win. Renfrey it was who captained the croweaters during that series, the highlight of a varied career that saw him involved in senior football in four states.
Born in South Australia, Ethelbert Lussome Renfrey made his league football debut with North Adelaide, aged just sixteen, in 1895. He spent four seasons with the red and whites before moving to the much stronger Norwood side, where a series of eye-catching performances earned him his inter-colonial debut against the VFL in 1899. Two years later he was on the move again, this time to West Broken Hill, which at the time boasted arguably the strongest side outside the three major football states (see footnote 1). After playing in West Broken Hill premiership sides in 1901 and 1903, Renfrey headed west, initially to Kalgoorlie, where he spent the 1904 season playing for Boulder City, and then, after accepting a contract to play for West Perth for two seasons, to the coast.

The Cardinals, who were captained by another South Australian in Bill Plunkett, had a very strong team at this time, and in Renfrey's first season they won the flag after overcoming East Fremantle in a replayed grand final. Renfrey attracted much acclaim for the quality of his performances: he was speedy - twice running second in the Stawell Gift - gutsy, and skilful, and could handle a variety of positions. In 1906 he was widely regarded as the most accomplished player in the competition, and West Perth sorely missed him when he was forced to drop out of the grand final team against East Fremantle because of injury. Old Easts won with ease, and the following year Bert Renfrey headed back east for a season in the VFL with St Kilda. Once again, he came under notice for some fine performances as he helped the Saints to qualify for the VFL major round for the first ever time, but he was unable to prevent a substantial loss to eventual premier Carlton in a semi final.

An attractive offer from West Broken Hill saw Renfrey back there in 1908, although he returned to Melbourne midway through the year as a member of the New South Wales state side which competed at the Melbourne carnival. It was while he was at the carnival that he was approached by Arthur Thomas from Sturt who was endeavouring to attract proven footballers to his club using the best bait possible - the promise of employment and accommodation, courtesy of club benefactor John Dempsey.

The 1909 season saw Renfrey at Unley Oval as one of a group of players quickly dubbed 'Dempsey's Immigrants'. Other members of the group included Harry Cumberland (St Kilda), Albert Heinrichs (East Fremantle), Phil Matson (Boulder City), Francis 'Driver' Dunne (South Fremantle), Joe Bushell (North Fremantle) and the South Melbourne pair of Percy Champion and Alphonse Wood. All were to prove instrumental in varying measure in lifting Sturt out of the doldrums, but it was to be Renfrey who would leave the most enduring legacy. Captain of the club from his debut season until 1913, he also coached the side from 1910-13. Inspirational and dashing, he was one of the first players selected in South Australian state teams during this period, making a total of 11 appearances in all, and his tremendous performances during the 1911 carnival were a significant factor in the home state's ultimate success.

Renfrey's Sturt career ended in acrimonious fashion during a 1913 season that began spectacularly for the Blues who topped the ladder after round 6 with 5 wins. However, when they succumbed to a fast finishing West Adelaide side by 11 points a couple of weeks later the knives were suddenly out for the Sturt skipper, whom some team mates accused of 'playing dead'. The matter was not finally resolved until after the following week's match against North Adelaide, which featured a number of heated on field exchanges between Renfrey and several of his team mates. After the match, which Sturt lost by 7 points, a fight broke out between Renfrey and one of his fellow 'Immigrants', Albert Heinrichs. The encounter was fierce, prolonged, but ultimately inconclusive. However, it had the effect of convincing the committee that Renfrey had lost the loyalty of his troops, and so he was replaced as captain by Murray Brannigan. When Sturt finally broke through for its inaugural league premiership a couple of seasons later, Bert Renfrey, the man who had arguably done more than anyone else to steer the club on an ascendant course, was no longer involved.

His final contribution to league football came with a brief pre-World War One stint as coach of South Adelaide.

Ninety years after his retirement as a player, Bert Renfrey's significance in the history of the Sturt Football Club was officially recognised by his inclusion in the club's 'Team of the Century'.
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Postby Ian » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:49 am

Players on the North list (seperate topic), but not this one,

Ossie Buttrose (1901-02)
Harry Ewart
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Postby LEGS 11 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:37 am

WOODVILLE 1877

J.Osborn (Capt) (NWD 1878)
A.S.Young
T.Bickers
H.Page
A.Quin
C.Formby
A.Formby
C.Warren
T.Reeves
George Giffen (NWD 1878)
T.Letchford (NWD 1878)
J.Atkins


ADELAIDE 1877

Twopenny (Capt)
Carraway
Bleechmore
Dalton
Harry Hughes
Charles Hughes
John Young
James Young
D.Scott
Steven
Fesenmeyer
Poole
Cate
Morgan
Cossins
F.James
Varley
Brailey
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Postby Leaping Lindner » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:47 pm

Ian wrote:Players on the North list (seperate topic), but not this one,

Ossie Buttrose (1901-02)
Harry Ewart


Harry only played for Medindie Ian. Technically the same club but a different club :rolleyes: :lol:
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Postby Ian » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:29 am

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Postby Alf » Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:39 am

Hi spell_check

re your post Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:37 pm


I'm very interested in Norwood players from the era between 1878 and 1906, but I wasn't aware of William Austin, Frederick Bennett and William Jordon. How did you find out about them?
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Postby spell_check » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:38 am

I think Legs11 might have come up with them. Unfortunately he said he will be overseas for a few months, so you probably won't be able to ask him about them for a while. But going on all the names he has come up with - a phenomenal amount - he would have the biggest collection of SANFL material I know about.
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Postby Alf » Tue May 30, 2006 3:05 pm

spell-check, thanks for your comments re my posting on 27 April.

Here's another one for you (or anyone else who may have an opinion).

W Dixon was one of Norwood's best players between 1881 and 1889. His nickname was "Guinea", but his first name remains a mystery.

Does anybody have any idea what his first name may have been?
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby southern fan » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:23 am

Leaping Lindner. Can you publish P-Z for North Adelaide 1897-1906. I hope to look at some papers in the State Library soon and your lists help as a checklist. Cheers.
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby Mark_Beswick » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:45 pm

I too have been after Guinea Dixons name - The only way we will find it is via the funeral notices. I had A. Motor Quinn as a myster till last week for west adelaide. Using the SA BDM index, I knew that quin from the life-members directory in the WAFC annual reports died before 1929 and was alive in 1914.

I then found a death in 1924 - I looked it up in the register and advertiser and in the funeral notes it had, Alfred James "Motor" Quinn.

I have done this for a few player BUT in Dixons case, there are a lot of W. Dixons and we dont even know if he died in SA.

Albert Green and Alexander McKenzie still have no death dates after all these years and we have christian names for these guys.

Good luck with W Dixon - If you have any luck, I would love to hear of it!
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Postby spell_check » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:41 pm

spell_check wrote:I think Legs11 might have come up with them. Unfortunately he said he will be overseas for a few months, so you probably won't be able to ask him about them for a while. But going on all the names he has come up with - a phenomenal amount - he would have the biggest collection of SANFL material I know about.


That few months has turned into 1 and a half years now! ;)
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby southern fan » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:11 pm

just a question on accuracy of stats. John Storer has WT play WA 3 times in 1899( rounds 8,9,11). The WA book Blood Sweat and Tears? only has WA/WT results twice in 1899( WA 9-9 WT 6-3 and WA 3-4 WT 3-9) which would seem to equate to rounds 9,11) and has results for all 14 games played by WA that year. So is there a mistake with one of the WT opponents in Storer's book for 1899.( perhaps round 8)
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby Leaping Lindner » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:40 pm

I've only got the ladder for the 1899 season, but that has for West Adelaide vs West Torrens games......
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vs West Torrens - Played 3 : Won 1 ; Lost 2 ; 12 gls 15 bh (for) ; 14 gls 18 bh (against)

If this is accurate that would make the missing score in West's book WA 0-2 lost to WT 5-9.
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby southern fan » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:19 pm

That would fit the Storer book because he has WT with 5 goals against WA in the "missing game on 26/6". It still asks the question of why there are 14 match results in the WA book which is presumably the number of games they played. WT played 14 games in 1899. For the record the WA book has WA's opponents as SA,NA,PA,N,NA,PA, WT,SA, WT,N, NA, SA, PA, NA.
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Re: Players who played before 1907

Postby Leaping Lindner » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:00 pm

southern fan wrote:That would fit the Storer book because he has WT with 5 goals against WA in the "missing game on 26/6". It still asks the question of why there are 14 match results in the WA book which is presumably the number of games they played. WT played 14 games in 1899. For the record the WA book has WA's opponents as SA,NA,PA,N,NA,PA, WT,SA, WT,N, NA, SA, PA, NA.


They have West as playing North FOUR times - they only played THREE times (NA 12-18; WA 17-36 total)

By the way I'm getting my stats from The Register's 1899 End of Season review/ladder.
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Postby Leaping Lindner » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:04 pm

southern fan wrote:That would fit the Storer book because he has WT with 5 goals against WA in the "missing game on 26/6". It still asks the question of why there are 14 match results in the WA book which is presumably the number of games they played. WT played 14 games in 1899. For the record the WA book has WA's opponents as SA,NA,PA,N,NA,PA, WT,SA, WT,N, NA, SA, PA, NA.


If you've written these down in order check the score of the second last time "NA" played WA.
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