Club Rankings - Since 1991

[Wedgie]

Its not rocket science.

Funny that quote reminds me of someone? Now who could it be.....?

At the end of the day I have no idea who you're talking about!

[Booney]

Yes,the summer of 90/91 is the most significant moment in the history of not only the SANFL,but football in South Australia.

Not only did the SANFL suffer,but the state (in the vast majority) was divided.In '97 this line was etched deeper and the state (once again,in the most part) divided in two.

Since 91?

Port
Central
Eagles
Norwood
West
Sturt
North
Glenelg
South

[bulldogproud]

I think that you guys miss my point completely. There is no questioning that 1991 was more significant than 1997. However, 1997 created the playing conditions we currently play under. As such, if we are looking at comparing apples with apples we must look at 1997 onwards. Anything else compares apples with oranges, bananas etc.
Btw, 1964 was much more significant than 1991 *grins*
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

The Power entering the competition created the current format of the SANFL. If you are going back into times before that, you are just as well in looking at 1921 when Glenelg entered or 1964 when Central and Woodville entered as 1991.
Cheers

I disagree. When the Crows came in it reduced it to 9 clubs as it is now. Created the AFL feeder system, and also the general standard of the SANFL decreased considerably in 1991, but the standard decrease nowhere near as noticeable in 97.

Btw, the advent of the Crows had nothing to do with the West Torrens/Woodville merger that created the nine team competition.
Cheers

[GWW]

The Power entering the competition created the current format of the SANFL. If you are going back into times before that, you are just as well in looking at 1921 when Glenelg entered or 1964 when Central and Woodville entered as 1991.
Cheers

I disagree. When the Crows came in it reduced it to 9 clubs as it is now. Created the AFL feeder system, and also the general standard of the SANFL decreased considerably in 1991, but the standard decrease nowhere near as noticeable in 97.

Btw, the advent of the Crows had nothing to do with the West Torrens/Woodville merger that created the nine team competition.
Cheers

May have not had a direct link, but coincided with it though. Both clubs more than likely saw that they would be even less financial with the advent of the Crows and so decided to bite the bullet and merge.

[bulldogproud]

Definitely clutching at straws there, GWW - had absolutely nothing to do with the Crows!!
Cheers

[GWW]

Definitely clutching at straws there, GWW - had absolutely nothing to do with the Crows!!
Cheers

Nah not clutching at straws at all. That was only a minor point, and not a part of the major argument being discussed on here. 1991 is by far the most significant year as agreed to strongly by a few others on this thread.

[smac]

I think you have fought valiantly, but lost BDP. Just wait a few weeks and we will be numner 1 for 91 onwards!

[Hondo]

Definitely clutching at straws there, GWW - had absolutely nothing to do with the Crows!!
Cheers

Thats a very big call I'd be interested in the facts you base this opinion on BDP??

It had to be more than just coincidence that the merger happened when the Crows were announced. It may have happened anyway, but both clubs would have seen what impact the Crows were likely to have on the SANFL.

Any W-WT supporters got more facts to prove either of us wrong?

[Hondo]

On the 1991 v 1997 issue

Simple answer is look at the differences in the SANFL from 1990 to 1991

...... and then compare that to the changes from 1996 to 1997

I think it will then become obvious when the SANFL as we currently know it was born

[spell_check]

Definitely clutching at straws there, GWW - had absolutely nothing to do with the Crows!!
Cheers

Thats a very big call I'd be interested in the facts you base this opinion on BDP??

It had to be more than just coincidence that the merger happened when the Crows were announced. It may have happened anyway, but both clubs would have seen what impact the Crows were likely to have on the SANFL.

Any W-WT supporters got more facts to prove either of us wrong?

McAlmanac has already said it - he can elaborate better than I. Saying that the Crows impact had nothing to do with it, I can't fathom.

[PhilH]

As a WFC member (& cheer squad leader) back in 1990.

There certainly was a direct correlation between the entry of a SA team into the AFL (not yet called the crows) and the merger.

Talks only began once that entry was confirmed.

The effect of the West Coast on the WAFL back in 1987 give a visable example to both Torrens (in financial trouble) and Woodville (smallest supporter base) of the likely drop off in terms of income & attendances.

As I have said many times on this site;
- I have been with a Australian Rules football club that merged and went on to be far more successful than its predecessor. (Woodville to Eagles)
- I have also been with an American Football club that was successful but eventually folded. (Breakers)

To those that say it is better to fold than merge all I can say is that I have has the displeasure of experiencing both and
i'll take merging everytime.

[smac]

And now you work for South. Where does that fit Phil?

[sapaul]

I worked out the average ladder positions at the end of each year and got this...
1.Port
2.Centrals
3.Eagles
4.Norwood
5.West
6.North
7.Sturt
8.South
9.Glenelg

Yep, got bored tonight so went through every year and gave 'points'. 9 for every premier, 8 for 2nd, 7 for 3rd places, 6, 5 etc down to 1 point for every 9th place and came up with points as follows...

Port 112
Central 108
Eagles 105
Norwood 87
West 69

North 68
Sturt 65
South 54
Glenelg 52

Presuming Central get the 9 points this year, Port only get 4 points for finishing 6th, Central will overtake them.

[GWW]

I worked out the average ladder positions at the end of each year and got this...
1.Port
2.Centrals
3.Eagles
4.Norwood
5.West
6.North
7.Sturt
8.South
9.Glenelg

Yep, got bored tonight so went through every year and gave 'points'. 9 for every premier, 8 for 2nd, 7 for 3rd places, 6, 5 etc down to 1 point for every 9th place and came up with points as follows...

Port 112
Central 108
Eagles 105
Norwood 87
West 69

North 68
Sturt 65
South 54
Glenelg 52

Presuming Central get the 9 points this year, Port only get 4 points for finishing 6th, Central will overtake them.

Well done mate, but i personally think a premier deserves more than just 9 points. Winning a GF is the ultimate, and deserves a bigger "reward" than just 1 more point more than the 2nd finishing team. Just giving an opinion.

[bulldogproud]

Okay, I concede that I may have been wrong on this one and that we should look at things from 1991. However, I do know that Woodville and West Torrens were considering a merger well before the Crows were even dreamed up. The Crows were only conceived as an idea in 1990. Informal discussions re a possible merger were occurring in the 1980's.
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

Spelly, wondering if you can do a club v club summary for each team since 1991? Would love to see the stats on this.
Btw, sorry guys for my negativity and bitterness on this thread, and lately in general. Not sure if it is due to the fact I am missing Adelaide (first time away) at this time of year, or the knowledge that I cannot make it to the GF this year.
I promise to improve my ways.
Cheers

[doggies4eva]

Classic!

What bet the Centrals supporters would be arguing to include 1991-1996 if the doggies had won 4 flags during that time

Of course. Isn't the idea of most of these debates to either put your own club in a good light or rubbish someone else's?

But you can use 91 as a base if you like it just means we may have to wait a bit longer before we can gloat

[bulldogproud]

One last comment. As a former board member of the Eagles, I can let you know that the merger between Woodville and West Torrens would have taken place even if a South Australian team had not entered the AFL. The merger was more to do with the demographics of the local area, dwindling supporter base and the lack of on-field success for both clubs.
Cheers

[Dirko]

I worked out the average ladder positions at the end of each year and got this...
1.Port
2.Centrals
3.Eagles
4.Norwood
5.West
6.North
7.Sturt
8.South
9.Glenelg

Yep, got bored tonight so went through every year and gave 'points'. 9 for every premier, 8 for 2nd, 7 for 3rd places, 6, 5 etc down to 1 point for every 9th place and came up with points as follows...

Port 112
Central 108
Eagles 105
Norwood 87
West 69

North 68
Sturt 65
South 54
Glenelg 52

Presuming Central get the 9 points this year, Port only get 4 points for finishing 6th, Central will overtake them.

When I did mine I just totalled the positions they finished i.e if you won the flag you got 1, if you came third you got 3, then I averaged it out for the 16 years and got a average finishing position. I then ranked the highest to lowest viola !! FYI Port's average yearly position was 3, Centrals was 3.125 and Eagles 3.256 or something like that...