A record for meetings in GFs by two clubs other than Port

[spell_check]

(Thanks to Flying High for this)

Central and Eagles have now met in 5 Grand Finals. No other pairing in Grand Finals by two clubs excluding Port are above this:

(since 1897)

Norwood Port 14
North Port 10
Port Sturt 10
Port South 8
Port West 8
Glenelg Port 6
Central Eagles 5
Glenelg North 4
Norwood West 4
Glenelg Norwood 3
North Norwood 3
Glenelg Sturt 3
North Sturt 3
Norwood Sturt 3
Port Torrens 3
Central Port 2
North South 2
Norwood Torrens 2
North West 2
Eagles Norwood 1
Eagles Port 1
Norwood South 1
Central Sturt 1
South Sturt 1
North Torrens 1
Sturt Torrens 1
Central West 1
Sturt West 1

[Dog_ger]

Still along way behind the best.

Well done to both clubs...!

Cheer, Cheer...!

The Best clubs this century...!

Sturt is 3rd...!

[PortAdelaideProud]

Cheer Cheer the black and the white
Honor the Magpies day and by night

Yeah, go you Magpies!

[Mr66]

My list, since 1889.

Norwood v Port - 14 - 1889,1901,1904,1907,1921,1928,1929,1946,1955,1957,1980,1984,1997,1999.
North v Port - 10 - 1905,1906,1913,1914,1930,1951,1963,1971,1972,1989.
Port v Sturt - 9 - 1910,1915,1936,1965,1966,1967,1968,1976,1998.
Port v West - 8 - 1909,1911,1912,1954,1956,1958,1959,1962.
Port v South - 7 - 1898,1903,1935,1937,1938,1964,1979.
Glenelg v Port - 6 - 1934,1977,1981,1988,1990,1992.
Central v W/T - 5 - 2000,2001,2004,2005,2006.
North v Sturt - 5 - 1919 + 1 Replay,1926,1931,1932.
Glenelg v North - 4 - 1973,1985,1986,1987.
North v Norwood - 4 - 1920,1923,1952,1960.
Norwood v West - 4 - 1908,1922,1947,1961.
Glenelg v Norwood - 3 - 1950,1975,1982.
Glenelg v Sturt - 3 - 1969,1970,1974.
Norwood v South - 3 - 1894 + 1 Replay,1899.
Norwood v West Torrens - 3 - 1925,1933,1948.
Port v West Torrens - 3 - 1939,1945,1953.
Central v Port - 2 - 1995,1996.
North v South - 2 - 1900,1902.
North v West - 2 - 1927,1991.
Norwood v Sturt - 2 - 1941,1978.
Central v Sturt - 2002.
Central v West - 2003.North v West Torrens - 1949.
Norwood v W/T - 1993.
Port v W/T - 1994.
Sturt v South - 1940.
Sturt v West - 1983.
Sturt v West Torrens - 1924

[Wedgie]

Could the discrpency lie with the Final/Challenge Final system and what is recorded as a GF for these purposes?

For instance you don't list 1930 as a Port v Sturt GF but they did play off in the final (with North beating Port in the challenge final after losing to Sturt in the semi).

Perhaps Spelly counted Finals and Challenge Finals as GFs? Probably would make sense as either could be the ultimate and last game of the season?

[Mr66]

Theoretically, I counted games which decided the premiership, which is basically
what the Grand Final is today.

[Wedgie]

Theoretically, I counted games which decided the premiership, which is basically
what the Grand Final is today.

Its interesting because in essence you counted the "final" in some years and not in others.
Im not saying its wrong or right, I honestly don't know to tell the truth, just that it may be the reason for the discrepency.
This could be a great discussion point for the SANFL History Forum.

[Wedgie]

Just looking at those stats, it amazes me that North and South have only met 2 times in a GF considering they're both over 100 years old and have won 24 premierships between them. Similarly with Norwood and South, haven't met in a GF since the 19th century!

[Mr66]

Theoretically, I counted games which decided the premiership, which is basically
what the Grand Final is today.

Its interesting because in essence you counted the "final" in some years and not in others.
Im not saying its wrong or right, I honestly don't know to tell the truth, just that it may be the reason for the discrepency.
This could be a great discussion point for the SANFL History Forum.

Yep thats right , I counted the final game played, regardless of whether it was called the 'final' or
'challenge'.

[spell_check]

What I did, and it looks pretty stupid, is that I just looked at who came 1st and 2nd!

This of course takes out a few factors now that I read Mr 66s' list.

[spell_check]

Either list still comes up with the same fact - that Central and Eagles have met the most in GFs' than any other combination excluding Port.

[spell_check]

Mr.66s' list I would now regard to be the correct list; given that it is the exact criteria I was after in the first place.

[Mr66]

You'll find that in 1923 Sturt finished 2nd, ditto Port in 1925&26 but neither teams played in the GF.
North lost in 1923&26 and West Torrens in 1925 but because these teams didn't finish in the top
two, they reverted back to their placings before the finals started.

[spell_check]

You'll find that in 1923 Sturt finished 2nd, ditto Port in 1925&26 but neither teams played in the GF.
North lost in 1923&26 and West Torrens in 1925 but because these teams didn't finish in the top
two, they reverted back to their placings before the finals started.

Yeah, I just rememebered there were rules like that when noticing those differences.

[Mr66]

The 1979 Grand Final Budget explained these discrepancies fully (Page 61, if anyone has it).
If not, I'll post it tomorrow night.

[oldfella]

Spell_check,

I seem to remember being told about the right to a challenge final if you finished top off minor round and failed to win the grand final (I think) --- is this correct --- if so what years or any info on it please

[spell_check]

Spell_check,

I seem to remember being told about the right to a challenge final if you finished top off minor round and failed to win the grand final (I think) --- is this correct --- if so what years or any info on it please

If you lost the 2nd Semi but finished top you went straight to the Challenge Final.
If you won the 2nd Semi, finished top, but lost the Final, you went to the Challenge Final.

[oldfella]

Thank You

[SimonH]

Of those in the top 10, which is the least likely to be added to any time soon? Port v Sturt, Port v West, Norwood v West or something else?

Not Port v Norwood, of course-- that's always a chance of happening even if they finished last and 2nd last in the previous year. Some matchings are just written in the stars.

PS One more for spell_check (or other stats guru) if you have access to other states' records: is the Port v Sturt 1965-68 record of 4 GFs in a row an all-time Australian record (for what could be called 'first class' competitions)? Just comparing it quickly with WAFL and VFL(AFL) records, the only match that I can see is East Freo v East Perth from 1918-21.

Of course, both AFL and SANFL currently have live 'streaks'; although the nature of AFL these days is such that it would be near-impossible for the same 2 teams to meet in a GF 4 times in a row. (As a Swans supporter, I hope I'm wrong in saying that.)

[Mr66]

Of those in the top 10, which is the least likely to be added to any time soon? Port v Sturt, Port v West, Norwood v West or something else?

Not Port v Norwood, of course-- that's always a chance of happening even if they finished last and 2nd last in the previous year. Some matchings are just written in the stars.

PS One more for spell_check (or other stats guru) if you have access to other states' records: is the Port v Sturt 1965-68 record of 4 GFs in a row an all-time Australian record (for what could be called 'first class' competitions)? Just comparing it quickly with WAFL and VFL(AFL) records, the only match that I can see is East Freo v East Perth from 1918-21.

Of course, both AFL and SANFL currently have live 'streaks'; although the nature of AFL these days is such that it would be near-impossible for the same 2 teams to meet in a GF 4 times in a row. (As a Swans supporter, I hope I'm wrong in saying that.)

Here goes,
TFL
Glenorchy v Sandy Bay 1975-78
Northern Territory FL
Darwin v St.Marys 1968-71
Honourable mention
ACT
Manuka v Eastlake 1963-1969 except 1966.